https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...rojections

63. Appalachian State
66. Arkansas State
78. Troy
106. Georgia Southern
107. Louisiana Monroe
109. South Alabama
113. Georgia State
118. Coastal Carolina
121. Louisiana
123. Texas State

I could have probably made this list in my sleep. Which is probably what they did.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

I can't really argue with this early projection because we really don't know what we have until we get on the field with the new coaching staff. Although I would hope that we finish much higher than that but time will tell.

I agree with where we are within the conference but I'm surprised we're there.

I’ll tell y’all now, the Cajuns will win 8 games. So I don’t see us finishing at 121.

Ya'll aren't paying attention. I don't think anyone is surprised by the conference order.

However, change from 2017 end of year rankings:
App: -45
stAte: -41
Troy: -47

Everyone else has a much lower swing.

I'd have to go back and find 2017 preseason rankings, but I don't think those 3 teams swung like that last year. For stAte, I'm not sure what that's about, but the loss of production is showing up in what people are expecting from App and Troy.

(02-12-2018 07:58 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Ya'll aren't paying attention. I don't think anyone is surprised by the conference order.

However, change from 2017 end of year rankings:
App: -45
stAte: -41
Troy: -47

Everyone else has a much lower swing.

I'd have to go back and find 2017 preseason rankings, but I don't think those 3 teams swung like that last year. For stAte, I'm not sure what that's about, but the loss of production is showing up in what people are expecting from App and Troy.

This happens in all polls every year since I can remember. What it says is we are a lot better than our perception. Almost all of us will end better than what the pollsters suggest.

(02-12-2018 08:33 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:58 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Ya'll aren't paying attention. I don't think anyone is surprised by the conference order.

However, change from 2017 end of year rankings:
App: -45
stAte: -41
Troy: -47

Everyone else has a much lower swing.

I'd have to go back and find 2017 preseason rankings, but I don't think those 3 teams swung like that last year. For stAte, I'm not sure what that's about, but the loss of production is showing up in what people are expecting from App and Troy.

This happens in all polls every year since I can remember. What it says is we are a lot better than our perception. Almost all of us will end better than what the pollsters suggest.

This is not a poll though. It's stats based. In terms of these rankings that people put out, then you're right.

This is not the same as those though.

I believe this is also one of the first years that returning production has been counted the way he's doing it now. In the case of App and Troy, that is going to be a major reason for the shift you're seeing. Not sure about stAte....maybe it's because they're so up and down in the first place.

Regardless, the story here is that both App and Troy have a lot of questions that are affecting their outlook....and not from an "eye test" type evaluation.

(02-12-2018 08:42 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 08:33 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:58 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Ya'll aren't paying attention. I don't think anyone is surprised by the conference order.

However, change from 2017 end of year rankings:
App: -45
stAte: -41
Troy: -47

Everyone else has a much lower swing.

I'd have to go back and find 2017 preseason rankings, but I don't think those 3 teams swung like that last year. For stAte, I'm not sure what that's about, but the loss of production is showing up in what people are expecting from App and Troy.

This happens in all polls every year since I can remember. What it says is we are a lot better than our perception. Almost all of us will end better than what the pollsters suggest.

This is not a poll though. It's stats based. In terms of these rankings that people put out, then you're right.

This is not the same as those though.

I believe this is also one of the first years that returning production has been counted the way he's doing it now. In the case of App and Troy, that is going to be a major reason for the shift you're seeing. Not sure about stAte....maybe it's because they're so up and down in the first place.

Regardless, the story here is that both App and Troy have a lot of questions that are affecting their outlook....and not from an "eye test" type evaluation.

My point is the computer polls do this too. Every year the massey computer (not the composite), sagarin and several others start Troy, APP, ARKST and the like in the 90s. We end up in the 30s-70s usually. It's not just a poll problem. This one has us in the 60s-80s but obviously -40 from where we were last season. I suspect that will be the case again.

(02-11-2018 04:53 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I agree with where we are within the conference but I'm surprised we're there.

Lot hinges on if Werts takes the next step and we decide blocking is worth doing again.

TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

When over/under win lines come out there is going to be a chance to make some $.

(02-12-2018 08:55 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

That'a way to aim high!

(02-13-2018 09:18 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 08:55 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

That'a way to aim high!

Seeing they have won 6 in the last three years combined, it is aiming high. A lot like when Troy sucked and slowly rebuilt.

(02-13-2018 09:18 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 08:55 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

That'a way to aim high!

As much as it pains me to say this, He actually was aiming high (see, just threw up in my mouth).

Historically, TXST's Grid Iron performances have been inept, incompetent, underperforming soul sucking spectacles. Think of the Key Stone Cops in Football Gear. Seven winning seasons since 1985 or '86, I forget which, and really don't want to travel down memory lane to confirm which. That's the kind of record that just begs you to set the bar low . . . . (lower).

And our most recent history (the past 3 seasons) show season wins of 3, 2, and 2. That's 7 wins in 3 seasons.

So I get a "cautious" prediction of any win total coming out of San Marcos next year.

Me, I'm shooting the works. This is Withers 3rd year. I'm looking for 6 wins minimum, or a new Coach.

Not to mix apples and oranges, but in the past few years I've seen the Red Sox break an 86 year curse. The Cubs overcome an even longer drought, and the lowly Astros reach the top of the Mountain. Surely in year 3 of his tenure, Withers can attain a paltry 6 football wins... . . . . yeah, right.

(02-13-2018 02:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 09:18 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 08:55 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

That'a way to aim high!

As much as it pains me to say this, He actually was aiming high (see, just threw up in my mouth).

Historically, TXST's Grid Iron performances have been inept, incompetent, underperforming soul sucking spectacles. Think of the Key Stone Cops in Football Gear. Seven winning seasons since 1985 or '86, I forget which, and really don't want to travel down memory lane to confirm which. That's the kind of record that just begs you to set the bar low . . . . (lower).

And our most recent history (the past 3 seasons) show season wins of 3, 2, and 2. That's 7 wins in 3 seasons.

So I get a "cautious" prediction of any win total coming out of San Marcos next year.

Me, I'm shooting the works. This is Withers 3rd year. I'm looking for 6 wins minimum, or a new Coach.

Not to mix apples and oranges, but in the past few years I've seen the Red Sox break an 86 year curse. The Cubs overcome an even longer drought, and the lowly Astros reach the top of the Mountain. Surely in year 3 of his tenure, Withers can attain a paltry 6 football wins... . . . . yeah, right.

It has all been in vain. The Withers experiment has failed.

(02-11-2018 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I could have probably made this list in my sleep. Which is probably what they did.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

It's S&P+ not an opinion piece. Bill C notoriously gets up at 4am, but I assure you he is not asleep when putting it together.

(02-13-2018 03:29 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 09:18 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 08:55 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

That'a way to aim high!

As much as it pains me to say this, He actually was aiming high (see, just threw up in my mouth).

Historically, TXST's Grid Iron performances have been inept, incompetent, underperforming soul sucking spectacles. Think of the Key Stone Cops in Football Gear. Seven winning seasons since 1985 or '86, I forget which, and really don't want to travel down memory lane to confirm which. That's the kind of record that just begs you to set the bar low . . . . (lower).

And our most recent history (the past 3 seasons) show season wins of 3, 2, and 2. That's 7 wins in 3 seasons.

So I get a "cautious" prediction of any win total coming out of San Marcos next year.

Me, I'm shooting the works. This is Withers 3rd year. I'm looking for 6 wins minimum, or a new Coach.

Not to mix apples and oranges, but in the past few years I've seen the Red Sox break an 86 year curse. The Cubs overcome an even longer drought, and the lowly Astros reach the top of the Mountain. Surely in year 3 of his tenure, Withers can attain a paltry 6 football wins... . . . . yeah, right.

It has all been in vain. The Withers experiment has failed.

At the moment, you'll get no argument from me.

(02-13-2018 03:29 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 09:18 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 08:55 PM)slycat Wrote:  TXST wasn't 123 last year and will be better this year. Won't finish last in conference either. 4-5 win season.

That'a way to aim high!

As much as it pains me to say this, He actually was aiming high (see, just threw up in my mouth).

Historically, TXST's Grid Iron performances have been inept, incompetent, underperforming soul sucking spectacles. Think of the Key Stone Cops in Football Gear. Seven winning seasons since 1985 or '86, I forget which, and really don't want to travel down memory lane to confirm which. That's the kind of record that just begs you to set the bar low . . . . (lower).

And our most recent history (the past 3 seasons) show season wins of 3, 2, and 2. That's 7 wins in 3 seasons.

So I get a "cautious" prediction of any win total coming out of San Marcos next year.

Me, I'm shooting the works. This is Withers 3rd year. I'm looking for 6 wins minimum, or a new Coach.

Not to mix apples and oranges, but in the past few years I've seen the Red Sox break an 86 year curse. The Cubs overcome an even longer drought, and the lowly Astros reach the top of the Mountain. Surely in year 3 of his tenure, Withers can attain a paltry 6 football wins... . . . . yeah, right.

It has all been in vain. The Withers experiment has failed.

I'll withhold judgment til after this season, but it sure looks that way. Maybe it'll play out like it did at JMU after he left them. Then the next coach comes and takes us to a NY6 bowl!

(02-13-2018 04:36 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I could have probably made this list in my sleep. Which is probably what they did.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

It's S&P+ not an opinion piece. Bill C notoriously gets up at 4am, but I assure you he is not asleep when putting it together.

Neither does Phil Steel but he has people actually make this argument against him. He watched or will watch every single Coastal Carolina game from last year before uttering a word about them and be able to talk about them without having to look at any notes and people still think he glosses over teams.