(02-11-2018 02:42 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I’m far more pissed at out idiot administration/boosters who made the safest hire known to man and gave out yet another gold-plated contract.

Tubby is doing what Tubby has always done. It was never going to work here. Bad for from Day 1...the people in charge should’ve known that.

Great points

(02-11-2018 03:19 PM)jamammy Wrote:  **** Tubby

That you KJ?

(02-11-2018 03:36 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 03:19 PM)jamammy Wrote:  **** Tubby

That you KJ?

You know my name.

(02-11-2018 02:56 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Hey Shooter, and anyone else who wants to answer.... Will Tubby still be the Memphis coach next season? Just a simple yes or no will do.

Yes unless Saul could get a decent high major assistant coach position somewhere else; not likely to happen. Tubby will win fight (due to contract language) if Admin says Saul has to go.

(02-11-2018 03:08 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  To the OP:

Tubby saw an incredible opportunity that only a place like Memphis could offer. $3 million/year and twelve Top 100 players available in the next 4 years RIGHT IN HIS BACKYARD! He could recruit ALL OF THEM on a tank of gas.

He and his staff were so lazy they couldn't even do that.

People also say that he can coach 'em up. I believed that. I really did! Honest Injun.

But then he said the players need psychological help because he can' get it through their thick heads how to play basketball.

He may have forgotten more about X's and O's than most coaches know, but he clearly doesn't know how to teach that to young men.

Those type kids will NOT sign with Tubby. History tells us that.

(02-11-2018 03:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 03:03 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  If I can only say yes or no...then yes

Would require prideful people to admit they blew it and then pay $9M

This is why I believe he will get another year. Our admin is also more concerned about a clean image than winning even though every school in America cheats to some degree. Credit where due- they’ve done a heck of a job with football but they’ve screwed the basketball program up in a big way. IMO, Tubby gets another year, interest and attendance continues to decline, he misses on all the 2018 & 2019 locals and he’ll be gone at the end of next year. Eventually the admin will stop wasting the resources they have for hoops.

Admin would love to see Tubby go. The revenue loss alone would dictate that. All the other is noise. They have to stop the bleeding.

(02-11-2018 04:49 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 03:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 03:03 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  If I can only say yes or no...then yes

Would require prideful people to admit they blew it and then pay $9M

This is why I believe he will get another year. Our admin is also more concerned about a clean image than winning even though every school in America cheats to some degree. Credit where due- they’ve done a heck of a job with football but they’ve screwed the basketball program up in a big way. IMO, Tubby gets another year, interest and attendance continues to decline, he misses on all the 2018 & 2019 locals and he’ll be gone at the end of next year. Eventually the admin will stop wasting the resources they have for hoops.

Admin would love to see Tubby go. The revenue loss alone would dictate that. All the other is noise. They have to stop the bleeding.

I don’t doubt what you say here ^. That said it should actually be an easy decision. You cut bait and get the program back on track.

(02-11-2018 01:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ).

Tubby is not happy here from a job standpoint (how could he be?) and would probably resign after this season except he won't because of Saul.

Ya don't say. Gotta link for that info?

If Tubby offers to forfeit the rest of the contract I’m sure we’d be willing to give Saul a full 3 years of salary.

GTFO with that nonsense about not resigning because of Saul.

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(02-11-2018 05:33 PM)jgardne Wrote:  If Tubby offers to forfeit the rest of the contract I’m sure we’d be willing to give Saul a full 3 years of salary.

GTFO with that nonsense about not resigning because of Saul.

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Should have clarified that. Negotiated resignation. No way he will give up much of his $9M but possibly some. This is not my OPINION.

(02-11-2018 01:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  I've been talking to some people who know and found out a few things that are obvious and a few that are not. I was asked not to put some facts in (which I will honor):

Tubby was not responsible for the university offering him a 5 year $15M contract. Would you say no?

He was not responsible that the University did not do it's due diligence and find a coach that has strengths that would serve him well as the Tiger Basketball head coach. As many say, he is not a good fit and the AD and Rudd realize that now.

With the athletic facilities being built and those completed, with basketball revenue down close to $20M a year compared to 2013 and the highest paid coach in Memphis basketball history on the payroll for 3 more years (or bought out and a new coach being paid too), the athletic dept. and the boosters are tapped out or not willing to put any more money up to buy out Tubby. They don't seem to grasp the lost opportunity costs and break even points that I and others have posted here (they don't read this BTW).

Tubby is not happy here from a job standpoint (how could he be?) and would probably resign after this season except he won't because of Saul. Tubby is an honorable man and would ordinarily do the right thing but when family gets involved, it clouds a man's judgement. So it is almost a 100% certainty (nothing is guaranteed) that Tubby will be here next season.

But don't take your frustrations out on him. What you are seeing in almost every respect is the same Tubby Smith who coached at Tulsa.This was something created by a bad hire of a coach who just isn't cut out for the Memphis job. But blame those who overlooked the obvious weaknesses that Tubby has had his entire career and gave him an even more lucrative contract that we had just escaped from by pure luck with the hire of Josh Pastner by Georgia Tech.

(02-11-2018 06:01 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 01:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  I've been talking to some people who know and found out a few things that are obvious and a few that are not. I was asked not to put some facts in (which I will honor):

Tubby was not responsible for the university offering him a 5 year $15M contract. Would you say no?

He was not responsible that the University did not do it's due diligence and find a coach that has strengths that would serve him well as the Tiger Basketball head coach. As many say, he is not a good fit and the AD and Rudd realize that now.

With the athletic facilities being built and those completed, with basketball revenue down close to $20M a year compared to 2013 and the highest paid coach in Memphis basketball history on the payroll for 3 more years (or bought out and a new coach being paid too), the athletic dept. and the boosters are tapped out or not willing to put any more money up to buy out Tubby. They don't seem to grasp the lost opportunity costs and break even points that I and others have posted here (they don't read this BTW).

Tubby is not happy here from a job standpoint (how could he be?) and would probably resign after this season except he won't because of Saul. Tubby is an honorable man and would ordinarily do the right thing but when family gets involved, it clouds a man's judgement. So it is almost a 100% certainty (nothing is guaranteed) that Tubby will be here next season.

But don't take your frustrations out on him. What you are seeing in almost every respect is the same Tubby Smith who coached at Tulsa.This was something created by a bad hire of a coach who just isn't cut out for the Memphis job. But blame those who overlooked the obvious weaknesses that Tubby has had his entire career and gave him an even more lucrative contract that we had just escaped from by pure luck with the hire of Josh Pastner by Georgia Tech.

Nice selfie!

I agree with the OP. We are all frustrated that tub he hasn’t moved the needle any. But any resentment, anger, or collosal disappointment should be aimed squarely at our admin. Tubby is an analog player in a digital world. I think he has a wealth of basketball knowledge and 20 years ago, he would’ve been the right fit. Slow and steady wins the race but not in college basketball today. The people who hired him know that and they knew that when they hired him. Yes, he was a safe hire. And he will probably have us in the tournament in another couple years if God forbid he is still here then. But as avid tiger fans, that’s not good enough for us. We don’t now nor will we ever consider ourselves to be an also-ran. We have a rightfulexpectation to be in the top 25 almost every year. And we also have a rightful expectation to make a deep run every couple of years. We have the resources and local talent alone to do that. But I know that Tubby doesn’t enjoy us losing any more than we do. The fact of the matter is however that we are probably stuck with them throughout the entire term of his contract. He’s not going anywhere and I can guarantee you that Georgia Tech isn’t walking through that door to save us again. This is Tubby’s last coaching job. I guess my whole point in this long rambling post is that no one is more frustrated than I am about where the program is headed. But I’m going to stop short of attacking Tubby personally and acting as if he doesn’t care whether we win or lose.

(02-11-2018 03:08 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  To the OP:

Tubby saw an incredible opportunity that only a place like Memphis could offer. $3 million/year and twelve Top 100 players available in the next 4 years RIGHT IN HIS BACKYARD! He could recruit ALL OF THEM on a tank of gas.

He and his staff were so lazy they couldn't even do that.

People also say that he can coach 'em up. I believed that. I really did! Honest Injun.

But then he said the players need psychological help because he can' get it through their thick heads how to play basketball.

He may have forgotten more about X's and O's than most coaches know, but he clearly doesn't know how to teach that to young men.

I'm not convinced that the problem is because the staff is "lazy". I think the problem is that the staff is not very good "sellers" of the program. They can not "close the deal". Noo matter how hard they try, they cannot convince the good players to come play for them. Pure and simple.

(02-11-2018 08:23 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 03:08 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  To the OP:

Tubby saw an incredible opportunity that only a place like Memphis could offer. $3 million/year and twelve Top 100 players available in the next 4 years RIGHT IN HIS BACKYARD! He could recruit ALL OF THEM on a tank of gas.

He and his staff were so lazy they couldn't even do that.

People also say that he can coach 'em up. I believed that. I really did! Honest Injun.

But then he said the players need psychological help because he can' get it through their thick heads how to play basketball.

He may have forgotten more about X's and O's than most coaches know, but he clearly doesn't know how to teach that to young men.

I'm not convinced that the problem is because the staff is "lazy". I think the problem is that the staff is not very good "sellers" of the program. They can not "close the deal". Noo matter how hard they try, they cannot convince the good players to come play for them. Pure and simple.

Then they and they stooges should be fired. Like in real life, right?

(02-11-2018 02:14 PM)cmt Wrote:  That's all well and good, but after 87 years in coaching, Tubby knows what is expected of a $3,000,000 a year college basketball coach and he is the one that chose to not do his job. I believe the admin made a mistake in the hire, but the mistake is because Tubby sits on his butt and refuses to do what is expected of him. Do you really believe Tubby sat in the job interview and said he wasn't going to recruit? That he was just here to do the minimum for 5 years, take his money and go? I don't.

tubby stood up

but got dizzy

had to sit down

(02-11-2018 02:42 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I’m far more pissed at out idiot administration/boosters who made the safest hire known to man and gave out yet another gold-plated contract.

Tubby is doing what Tubby has always done. It was never going to work here. Bad for from Day 1...the people in charge should’ve known that.

They got exactly what they wanted...the Anti-Pastner.

Problem is that really the only things that Tubby does better is to coach the players up.

Pastner had a hard time getting the players to do what he wanted. Tubby is always complaining that the players don't do what he wants.

Pastner didn't have great in game coaching. I honestly don't see that Tubby is all that much better.

Pastner had multiple players transfer out of the program. Tubby had multiple players transfer out of the program.

Pastner thought recruiting was the life blood of the program and had at least 2 assistants that were good recruiters. Tubby thinks he can win with JUCO and low-level recruits because they want to come to Memphis. Recruiting is an annoyance.

(02-11-2018 08:23 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 03:08 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  To the OP:

Tubby saw an incredible opportunity that only a place like Memphis could offer. $3 million/year and twelve Top 100 players available in the next 4 years RIGHT IN HIS BACKYARD! He could recruit ALL OF THEM on a tank of gas.

He and his staff were so lazy they couldn't even do that.

People also say that he can coach 'em up. I believed that. I really did! Honest Injun.

But then he said the players need psychological help because he can' get it through their thick heads how to play basketball.

He may have forgotten more about X's and O's than most coaches know, but he clearly doesn't know how to teach that to young men.

I'm not convinced that the problem is because the staff is "lazy". I think the problem is that the staff is not very good "sellers" of the program. They can not "close the deal". Noo matter how hard they try, they cannot convince the good players to come play for them. Pure and simple.

The problem is, and I've repeated it several times, the kids you are talking about are NOT GOING TO SIGN WITH TUBBY. History tells us that.

(02-11-2018 09:10 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 02:42 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I’m far more pissed at out idiot administration/boosters who made the safest hire known to man and gave out yet another gold-plated contract.

Tubby is doing what Tubby has always done. It was never going to work here. Bad for from Day 1...the people in charge should’ve known that.

They got exactly what they wanted...the Anti-Pastner.

Problem is that really the only things that Tubby does better is to coach the players up.

Sorry, but, I hate the "anti-Pastner" thing.

Tubby isn't.

They are practically twins.

And to the bolded point, he is no better at maximizing talent than anyone else.

It just looks that way when you see how bad a kid was on day 1 because he was the 629th player according to whatever and now four years later he averages 12 points a game and doesn't pursue a pro career.