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It’s unbelievable to me , the number of people on here, who think Penny, who has never coached a second of basketball other than aau and metro Memphis high school, is going to be a savior coach at high div-1 college. It is utterly amazing to me!
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(02-12-2018 11:23 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  memphis has the 17th largest arena (capacity) in college mens basketball

in our conference, cincinnati is 2nd, with 5000 less seats

most of our conference play their games in outhouses

I've been watching a lot of our conference outhouse games lately--just for the sake of comparison.

We have a magnificent venue that is probably going to cost us 850K at the end of every season Tubby is here.
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Here is the difference. Good years or bad years KENTUCKY always filled RUPP ARENA. Here are the attendance numbers. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statist...arena.html
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(02-12-2018 11:09 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 09:23 AM)bcmemphis Wrote:  Why are fans really staying away? Watching teams with similar records as Memphis(14 to 16 wins); there are crowds at the games. Are we so spoiled as a fanbase that we only support a top level winner?

I am very disappointed in our team, also. But in contrast, I was a student at Memphis State and attended games as far back as the Mid South Coliseum. If Memphis was playing, there was a good crowd. Memphis was not always winning the conference back then. But, very competitive. The vibe was different then. Diehard Tiger fans were REAL. Today there is so much negativity flowing about our Coaches, Players, Administration, Fans. We are cannabalizing our own program.

I am not saying it’s not a mess. I’m saying that Tyler Smith and his Father’s observations about fan support has merit. We are not very good fans.

Who are you watching that is at 14-16 wins at this point in the season and still drawing decent crowds?

The part in bold perfectly sums it up. Competitive. Memphis has not been competitive in 2 full seasons and there is absolutely nothing that gives fans a glimmer of hope about next year.

The negative vibe is being set by Tubby himself. He is calling fans out, throwing his players under the bus, telling everyone who will listen expectations are unreasonable and so on.

Despite what many think, our fan base is not unique in that numbers fall drastically after prolonged stretches of mediocrity and being just down right bad. Under John Pelphry Arkansas was literally giving away tickets at will call to anyone who was willing to just show up and they have great arena, in a major conference, a national title, and no pro or other major college teams to compete with...

I don't do back and forth on a message board, but it seemed that you doubted that I have seen games where fans support their teams, with 14 to 16 wins, this time of the year. It appeared that there were very good crowds at these games. I have recently seen games hosted by:

Alabama: 16 wins (Tennessee)
NC State : 16 wins (North Carolina)
Oklahoma: 16 wins (West Virginia)
Baylor: 16 wins (Kansas)
Notre Dame : 15 wins (Florida State)
Texas: 15 wins (Baylor)
Indiana: 14 wins (Michigan State)
Georgetown: 14 wins (Seton Hall)
LSU: 14 wins (Mississippi)
South Carolina: 13 wins (Florida)
Iowa State: 13 wins (Texas Tech)
Vanderbilt: 9 wins (Arkansas)

There were other teams with very poor records drawing good crowds. What is a good crowd? More than what Memphis is drawing these days. Many of these schools are schools which our fanbase compare our program with. We purport that we are on the same level. Are we?

What is a loyal fan? Every televised game, I see Kaye, sitting in her season ticket seat right behind the TV announcers. She is diehard. Every game I attend, she is there.

I am a football season ticket holder. Back in the day, I attended Memphis v Mississippi State in Larry Porter's tenure. That was the worst Memphis team I had ever seen. I left early and I never leave early. But, I continued to attend football games and supporting our team to this day. Unfortunately, I have a similar vibe about this basketball team.

The point of it all is loyal fans support their teams, even if it is mired in a mess.
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(02-13-2018 12:20 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Here is the difference. Good years or bad years KENTUCKY always filled RUPP ARENA. Here are the attendance numbers. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statist...arena.html

But attendance was down for the first 6 home games this year lol.

https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kent...ari-reacts

Since Rupp Arena opened for the 1976-77 season, Kentucky has ranked first or second in average home attendance every season, according to a press release.

And that brings us to the Kentucky Question of the Day: Why is attendance at Rupp Arena down this season through six home games?
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Here's an interesting article which talks about why Minnesota fired Tubby even though he took them to the tourney:

http://www.startribune.com/was-firing-tu...199979991/

Revnue/Ticket sales - When you have a big time Coach like Tubby Smith, you pay the big bucks because they are suppose to draw in a lot of revenue. However, as I wrote about in an earlier blog (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gopher...511.html), after the spike in ticket sales when Tubby was first hired, they have steadily declined. Public basketball ticket sales have dropped 20.68% and student season ticket sales are down 37.45% since 2007. What's almost as bothersome as ticket sale dropping, is the fact that Tubby never really seemed to connect with the fans and the student body to get people to games.
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(02-12-2018 10:43 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 09:55 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 09:51 AM)cmt Wrote:  Tyler talks Tubby

Excerpt from the article:

Tyler Harris:

"I feel they're going to get better, sooner or later. I understand they're struggling. I feel the people of Memphis kind of expect a lot of them, I feel. They talk about them but they really don't go out and support them."


maybe skipping the games to protest Tubby's non-recruiting is not the best idea 03-idea
Players get it....our fans don't and many still don't even though it is so apparent. Our crowds show lack of support for the school and its teams if they do not win at a preconceived level. What that does is say.....we have no school spirit. Players can look at the crowds in the stands from when we had exceptionally good teams and when we had teams with winning records but...not a conference champion. It is very telling on our fans. Basically, if you don't win...at the level we think you should win....as MR WONDERFUL says..."You are dead to me." We are our own worst enemy.

We averaged 15,414 tickets sold during a 7 year period where we won 2 NCAA Tournament games and missed the tournament altogether 3 times, playing a non P5 home schedule.
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(02-13-2018 12:48 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Here's an interesting article which talks about why Minnesota fired Tubby even though he took them to the tourney:

http://www.startribune.com/was-firing-tu...199979991/

Revnue/Ticket sales - When you have a big time Coach like Tubby Smith, you pay the big bucks because they are suppose to draw in a lot of revenue. However, as I wrote about in an earlier blog (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gopher...511.html), after the spike in ticket sales when Tubby was first hired, they have steadily declined. Public basketball ticket sales have dropped 20.68% and student season ticket sales are down 37.45% since 2007. What's almost as bothersome as ticket sale dropping, is the fact that Tubby never really seemed to connect with the fans and the student body to get people to games.

---and that's the scary part--Memphis NEVER even got the spike up in attendance from Tubby. Sales actually went down.
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baylor in town today
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(02-13-2018 10:11 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:48 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Here's an interesting article which talks about why Minnesota fired Tubby even though he took them to the tourney:

http://www.startribune.com/was-firing-tu...199979991/

Revnue/Ticket sales - When you have a big time Coach like Tubby Smith, you pay the big bucks because they are suppose to draw in a lot of revenue. However, as I wrote about in an earlier blog (http://www.startribune.com/sports/gopher...511.html), after the spike in ticket sales when Tubby was first hired, they have steadily declined. Public basketball ticket sales have dropped 20.68% and student season ticket sales are down 37.45% since 2007. What's almost as bothersome as ticket sale dropping, is the fact that Tubby never really seemed to connect with the fans and the student body to get people to games.

---and that's the scary part--Memphis NEVER even got the spike up in attendance from Tubby. Sales actually went down.

That is what the half dozen sheeple don't seem to understand. The entire infrastructure was set up for Tubby to succeed here. Infrastructure isn't just bricks and mortar, FEF and the new practice facility.

When Tubby got the job we had 12,000 people PAYING for tickets to each game on average even though probably half of them were fed up with Pastner. 12,000 tickets sold per game for a product that hadn't met the program's goals and was in its second season removed from the disappointment of 2014.

The program wasn't poised to keep trending downward because of Pastner; quite the opposite. The program was in place to hit the ground running with the right coach. Attendance was similar Pastner's last season to what it was the Johnny Jones season. I wouldn't have expected attendance to go up to 17,000 like it did Cal's first season, but any coach who provided even a little bit of hope could have kept tickets sold at 12,000 the first two seasons.
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(02-13-2018 01:02 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  baylor in town today

https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/96...5030535168
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Penny needs to stop by and have a sit down with Tyler.
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(02-13-2018 01:02 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  baylor in town today

The door is wide open.
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at each game cal had to give away big screen tv's to the upper deck folks

to get to the 17k number

(when the tv's cost money)
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You teletubbies need understand you have to actually try to recruit to recruit.

It’s tired to keep saying that it’s the fans fault. We didn’t start recruiting Tyler Harris until 5 months ago. That’s why we aren’t getting him, and the fact that we aren’t competitive. That’s on Tubby, not on the fans.
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Latest update on the Findlay kids:

Vanover: 8.2 ppg 6.4 rpg 0.8 ast 1.4 blk
55% FG, 41% 3pt (15-37) 75% ft (9-12)
Last 5 games: 5.8 ppg 2.4 rpg

Moss: 7.1 ppg 3.0 rpg 5.5 ast 1.6 stl
37% FG, 21% 3pt (14-66) 66% Ft (39-59)
Last 5 games: 4.0 ppg 2.4 rpg 4.4 ast
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Well Moss is apparently is not the answer with those shooting percentages.
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(02-13-2018 06:37 PM)Dylan Wrote:  You teletubbies need understand you have to actually try to recruit to recruit.

It’s tired to keep saying that it’s the fans fault. We didn’t start recruiting Tyler Harris until 5 months ago. That’s why we aren’t getting him, and the fact that we aren’t competitive. That’s on Tubby, not on the fans.

you act like there are tons and tons of tubby supporters. to me, it look like maybe one or two on this board. not even sure about them anymore.
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Went with my AAU buddy to see Tyler play at Bolton last week. He has known the Harris family forever.

Will tell you what he told me. If you don't believe it, fine, not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Coach Scales is now good with Memphis. Tubby and Joe have made up ground with him, Tubby's been to a lot of Cordova games, and Coach Scales would be happy if Tyler chooses Memphis. Tyler also has Memphis at the top or high on his list.

Frank Harris will say all the right things on radio, because he doesn't want Tiger nation on his back, but he wants Tyler to go outside of Memphis to play. Coach Hurd also doesn't want him to play at Memphis, but doesn't play as much of a role as the other two.

Bottom line, they are undecided.
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(02-14-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Went with my AAU buddy to see Tyler play at Bolton last week. He has known the Harris family forever.

Will tell you what he told me. If you don't believe it, fine, not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Coach Scales is now good with Memphis. Tubby and Joe have made up ground with him, Tubby's been to a lot of Cordova games, and Coach Scales would be happy if Tyler choose Memphis. Tyler also has Memphis at the top or high on his list.

Frank Harris will say all the right things on radio, because he doesn't want Tiger nation on his back, but he wants Tyler to go outside of Memphis to play. Coach Hurd also doesn't want him to play at Memphis, but doesn't play as much of a role as the other two.

Bottom line, they are undecided.

Are you sure you should be divulging this info here....?
Memphis is a mighty small town. lol
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