(02-13-2018 01:52 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 01:33 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 09:34 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 08:56 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 05:52 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  This is what I mean by cursory, you wikipedia it and still got it wrong. According to the NCAA who vacated games in 1994, 1995, 1997 for violating rules. I.e. much like Memphis they had to cheat to get there. They legit went in 1994 and 1999. From 2008-2013 a five year period during Tubby Smith's coaching tenor they went to the dance three times. Guess what, no cheating and their most successful period.

And 100% accurate is irrelevant without context.

It may be true that I punched a guy in the face. That makes me look like a violent thug.

Then you find out the guy I punched in the face was beating up your grandma, now I'm a good guy.

It's all about context.

2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013

That's 6 years. He won 1 NCAA tournament game in 6 years. You also failed to address his not finishing above .500 in conf play since 2007 or not making the sweet 16 since 2005. But there's no "context" you can spin there.

As far as NCAA violations, I said before that vacating wins is silly. Everyone knows who played in the F4. But I will sit back and just lol at Frank Haith. He's gotten busted at 2 schools and yet to make a sweet 16. Cheats and still sucks.

Memphis' biggest sin in 2008 was not being named North Carolina. Until the NCAA starts dealing consistently with all programs, the vacated season thing will continue to be a joke.

So I can get it both at once.

A three year run out of five is the best period ever in Minnesota's history. Tubby was their coach. Building a program takes time, that Tubby took a program with virtually no history to the NCAA is remarkable, that he was still building the program to 500 in a conference with Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and a lesser degree Illinois shouldn't be a surprise. You know what is? That since the tournament expanded their have been eleven 20 win seasons for the gophers, five of them are Tubby's. If you don't count vacated seasons it's nine 20 win seasons and Tubby is responsible for more than half. Tubby has more NCAA appearences then their current coach will in the same time and more than the previous coach did with an extra year. In fact Tubby took Minnesota to the NCAA's more than both of them combined.

I also noticed you failed to mention Tubby's back to back semifinal runs in the big ten tournament or that in the last 20 years Minnesota has 3 winning records in the big ten. That they are 30-56 (.349) in big ten play since he left with 1 NIT and 1 NCAA and a Possible NIT this year. Tubby mean while was 47- 62 (.431) with 3 NCAA's and 2 NITS. Before Tubby they were 38-58 (.396) in a similar time period with 2 NITs and 1 NCAA.

Tubby had five 20 win seasons and no losing ones. Before him? Two losing seasons and one 20 win season. Since, one losing season, two 20 win seasons and quite possibly a losing season this year. They're 14-13 right now with #2 Michigan State and Iowa at home and away to Wisconsin and #6 Purdue. Iowa at home is the only game they are favored.

Tubby out performed the program, period. In fact he preformed very comparably to the cheating teams of the mid 90s, even though they have more NCAA victories and went 112-64. Tubby turned in a 124-84 record and as many invites to the dance though fewer NITs. Of course the main difference is his counted.

At Texas Tech he was there for only 3 years. The two previous three year periods Tech went 9-43 (.173) 2007-10 and from 2010-13 Tech was 14-34 (.291) in big Xii play. Under Tubby they went 18-36 (.333) with the two most win totals including his final year of 9-9. Tubby took them to the NCAA's while the previous four coaches over six years made one NIT. Again clearly out performing the program. Currently Texas Tech is leading the big xii, three of the five starters are Tubby's players. The statistical leaders of the major categories (points, assists, and rebounds) are Tubby players.

Now when it comes to cheating I don't expect a program with Memphis' stellar record to understand, but cheating isn't good. You're right everyone remembers who won the games for a year or two. Later when they look it up they will see the little asterisk. Especially when it comes to the student part cheating is cheating. You didn't do the school work like everyone else. So officially you get bupkis as you should. We wouldn't recognize a feather weight champ who came in at 220 lbs and beat the other guy who made weight.

Hey I tell you what when Tulsa gets popped for a violation come talk to me cause my school is squeaky clean. In the mean time try and rebuild that shattered glass house like your shattered dreams.

You have proven yet again how little you know or understand about basketball at a collegiate level and your bias is blatant. I'm done proving you wrong, it's not even hard and obvious you're clueless. You'll continue your little personal vendetta regardless of the facts and context.

Tubby has almost nothing to do with your program problems, those belong at the feet of Paschal and Calapari. The former because he couldn't coach X's and O's and the latter for his rule violations.

I think you have me confused with another poster. I haven't mentioned Tubby at all.

Sorry, it was long. Your part was about the cheating issue. I didn't make that very clear. I agree everyone should be treated the same but cheating is an issue regardless of difference in punishment. Or two wrongs don't make a right.

(02-13-2018 01:33 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  A three year run out of five is the best period ever in Minnesota's history. Tubby was their coach. Building a program takes time, that Tubby took a program with virtually no history to the NCAA is remarkable, that he was still building the program to 500 in a conference with Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and a lesser degree Illinois shouldn't be a surprise. You know what is? That since the tournament expanded their have been eleven 20 win seasons for the gophers, five of them are Tubby's. If you don't count vacated seasons it's nine 20 win seasons and Tubby is responsible for more than half. Tubby has more NCAA appearences then their current coach will in the same time and more than the previous coach did with an extra year. In fact Tubby took Minnesota to the NCAA's more than both of them combined.

I also noticed you failed to mention Tubby's back to back semifinal runs in the big ten tournament or that in the last 20 years Minnesota has 3 winning records in the big ten. That they are 30-56 (.349) in big ten play since he left with 1 NIT and 1 NCAA and a Possible NIT this year. Tubby mean while was 47- 62 (.431) with 3 NCAA's and 2 NITS. Before Tubby they were 38-58 (.396) in a similar time period with 2 NITs and 1 NCAA.

Tubby had five 20 win seasons and no losing ones. Before him? Two losing seasons and one 20 win season. Since, one losing season, two 20 win seasons and quite possibly a losing season this year. They're 14-13 right now with #2 Michigan State and Iowa at home and away to Wisconsin and #6 Purdue. Iowa at home is the only game they are favored.

Tubby out performed the program, period. In fact he preformed very comparably to the cheating teams of the mid 90s, even though they have more NCAA victories and went 112-64. Tubby turned in a 124-84 record and as many invites to the dance though fewer NITs. Of course the main difference is his counted.

At Texas Tech he was there for only 3 years. The two previous three year periods Tech went 9-43 (.173) 2007-10 and from 2010-13 Tech was 14-34 (.291) in big Xii play. Under Tubby they went 18-36 (.333) with the two most win totals including his final year of 9-9. Tubby took them to the NCAA's while the previous four coaches over six years made one NIT. Again clearly out performing the program. Currently Texas Tech is leading the big xii, three of the five starters are Tubby's players. The statistical leaders of the major categories (points, assists, and rebounds) are Tubby players.

Now when it comes to cheating I don't expect a program with Memphis' stellar record to understand, but cheating isn't good. You're right everyone remembers who won the games for a year or two. Later when they look it up they will see the little asterisk. Especially when it comes to the student part cheating is cheating. You didn't do the school work like everyone else. So officially you get bupkis as you should. We wouldn't recognize a feather weight champ who came in at 220 lbs and beat the other guy who made weight.

Hey I tell you what when Tulsa gets popped for a violation come talk to me cause my school is squeaky clean. In the mean time try and rebuild that shattered glass house like your shattered dreams.

You have proven yet again how little you know or understand about basketball at a collegiate level and your bias is blatant. I'm done proving you wrong, it's not even hard and obvious you're clueless. You'll continue your little personal vendetta regardless of the facts and context.

Tubby has almost nothing to do with your program problems, those belong at the feet of Paschal and Calapari. The former because he couldn't coach X's and O's and the latter for his rule violations.

LOL

2005 - last trip to the sweet 16
2007- last season above .500 in conference
only 4 of last 11 years into the tournament

all 100% facts.

When you say Paschal are Calapari are you referring to the 2 guys who were a combined 17-3 against Tulsa?? LMFAO

(02-13-2018 02:59 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 01:33 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  A three year run out of five is the best period ever in Minnesota's history. Tubby was their coach. Building a program takes time, that Tubby took a program with virtually no history to the NCAA is remarkable, that he was still building the program to 500 in a conference with Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and a lesser degree Illinois shouldn't be a surprise. You know what is? That since the tournament expanded their have been eleven 20 win seasons for the gophers, five of them are Tubby's. If you don't count vacated seasons it's nine 20 win seasons and Tubby is responsible for more than half. Tubby has more NCAA appearences then their current coach will in the same time and more than the previous coach did with an extra year. In fact Tubby took Minnesota to the NCAA's more than both of them combined.

I also noticed you failed to mention Tubby's back to back semifinal runs in the big ten tournament or that in the last 20 years Minnesota has 3 winning records in the big ten. That they are 30-56 (.349) in big ten play since he left with 1 NIT and 1 NCAA and a Possible NIT this year. Tubby mean while was 47- 62 (.431) with 3 NCAA's and 2 NITS. Before Tubby they were 38-58 (.396) in a similar time period with 2 NITs and 1 NCAA.

Tubby had five 20 win seasons and no losing ones. Before him? Two losing seasons and one 20 win season. Since, one losing season, two 20 win seasons and quite possibly a losing season this year. They're 14-13 right now with #2 Michigan State and Iowa at home and away to Wisconsin and #6 Purdue. Iowa at home is the only game they are favored.

Tubby out performed the program, period. In fact he preformed very comparably to the cheating teams of the mid 90s, even though they have more NCAA victories and went 112-64. Tubby turned in a 124-84 record and as many invites to the dance though fewer NITs. Of course the main difference is his counted.

At Texas Tech he was there for only 3 years. The two previous three year periods Tech went 9-43 (.173) 2007-10 and from 2010-13 Tech was 14-34 (.291) in big Xii play. Under Tubby they went 18-36 (.333) with the two most win totals including his final year of 9-9. Tubby took them to the NCAA's while the previous four coaches over six years made one NIT. Again clearly out performing the program. Currently Texas Tech is leading the big xii, three of the five starters are Tubby's players. The statistical leaders of the major categories (points, assists, and rebounds) are Tubby players.

Now when it comes to cheating I don't expect a program with Memphis' stellar record to understand, but cheating isn't good. You're right everyone remembers who won the games for a year or two. Later when they look it up they will see the little asterisk. Especially when it comes to the student part cheating is cheating. You didn't do the school work like everyone else. So officially you get bupkis as you should. We wouldn't recognize a feather weight champ who came in at 220 lbs and beat the other guy who made weight.

Hey I tell you what when Tulsa gets popped for a violation come talk to me cause my school is squeaky clean. In the mean time try and rebuild that shattered glass house like your shattered dreams.

You have proven yet again how little you know or understand about basketball at a collegiate level and your bias is blatant. I'm done proving you wrong, it's not even hard and obvious you're clueless. You'll continue your little personal vendetta regardless of the facts and context.

Tubby has almost nothing to do with your program problems, those belong at the feet of Paschal and Calapari. The former because he couldn't coach X's and O's and the latter for his rule violations.

LOL

2005 - last trip to the sweet 16
2007- last season above .500 in conference
only 4 of last 11 years into the tournament

all 100% facts.

When you say Paschal are Calapari are you referring to the 2 guys who were a combined 17-3 against Tulsa?? LMFAO

Bwahaha

Calapari tournament appearences at Memphis 2000/1-2009 (9 yrs), five

Memphis tournament appearences 2007/8-2016 (9 yrs), five

Tubby tournament appearences at Minnesota and Texas Tech 2007/8-2016 (9 yrs), four



Tubby Smith (7 yrs @Kentucky, 6 yrs @Minnesota, 3 yrs @Texas Tech, 2 yrs @Memphis) and John Calapari (9 yrs @Memphis and 9 yrs @Kentucky) since 2000-01 season:

Tubby 11 appearences, 2 nit's
Calapari 13 appearences, 4 nit's

Cal has been to 6 final 4s since the last time Tubby made a sweet 16.

Cal at Memphis- 9 years, 6 NCAAs (14-6 record)
Pastner at Memphis - 7 years, 4 NCAAs (2-4 record)

Both better than tubbys 9 years, 4 NCAAs 1-4 ncaa record at MN & TT
Just stop posting & embarrassing yourself

what the hell happened in this topic

(02-13-2018 07:03 PM)AndShock Wrote:  what the hell happened in this topic

Painful, ain’t it?

(02-13-2018 07:08 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 07:03 PM)AndShock Wrote:  what the hell happened in this topic

Painful, ain’t it?

(02-13-2018 06:50 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Cal has been to 6 final 4s since the last time Tubby made a sweet 16.

Cal at Memphis- 9 years, 6 NCAAs (14-6 record)
Pastner at Memphis - 7 years, 4 NCAAs (2-4 record)

Both better than tubbys 9 years, 4 NCAAs 1-4 ncaa record at MN & TT
Just stop posting & embarrassing yourself

Wrong.

Cal at Memphis years 5 NCAA appearences (9-5) , 1 sweet sixteen, and 2 elite eights. You don't get credit for cheating. That's your official record.

Tubby for those same years 8 NCAA appearences (11-8), 2 sweet sixteens, and 2 elite eights.

Look it's over man, Memphis went dancing one more time then Tubby took Minnesota and Tech. Do you really want to argue that those two programs are on the same level as Memphis? Yet this do nothing coach had similar success at these lesser schools as Memphis' program did, in harder conferences, where his programs weren't the traditional powers, or even also rans. He recruited the main players that are winning a harder league then the one he is in now at Tech. So he can coach, he can build a program, and he can recruit. He's done it every where.

I realize as a Tulsa fan that just making the tournament is a benchmark for you. Throw out the “vacated” year and Calipari won 9 NCAA games at Memphis. Tubby has won 1 in the last 12 years (that’s half as many as Josh Pastner lol)

Washed. Up. Bum.

The fact you’d even put Cal & Tubby in the same sentence is hilarious. Ask any Memphis fan, any Kentucky fan or any college basketball fan in general who’d they’d rather have as their coach. Maybe Tulsa fans would pick Tubby. No one else would

Btw, also ran Minnesota made a final 4 and Texas Tech had Bobby knight. He’s 1000x the coach Tubby will ever be.

(02-13-2018 08:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize as s Tulsa fan that just making the tournament is a benchmark for you. Throw out the “vacated” year and Calipari won 9 NCAA games at Memphis. Tubby has won 1 in the last 12 years (that’s half as many as Josh Pastner lol)

Washed. Up. Bum.

The fact you’d even put Cal & Tubby in the same sentence is hilarious. Ask any Memphis fan, any Kentucky fan or any college basketball fan in general who’d they’d rather have as their coach. Maybe Tulsa fans would pick Tubby. No one else would

Btw, also ran Minnesota made a final 4 and Texas Tech has Bobby knight. He’s 1000x the coach Tubby will ever be.

ik i guess if you cheat enough you start to be respected and i guess thats what happen to cal

TU4ever, what exactly are you arguing?

(02-13-2018 11:00 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  TU4ever, what exactly are you arguing?

The usual: arguing to argue.