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Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
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Athletic conferences have no business interfering in internal state politics.
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RE: Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording

Quote:No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into... any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms... college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity

It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
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(02-12-2018 10:16 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording

Quote:No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into... any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms... college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity

It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.
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RE: Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 10:16 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording

Quote:No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into... any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms... college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity

It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.

15% of their membership is in the state of Mississippi. The SEC has 200+ teams that travel there with ~6,000 athletes every year. With 2 schools in the state you can double those numbers. They have a duty to protect those athletes. Saying you won't send those kids into venues where people may be carrying concealed weapons is not interfering, it is stating a fact.
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RE: Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
(02-13-2018 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 10:16 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording

Quote:No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into... any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms... college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity

It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.

15% of their membership is in the state of Mississippi. The SEC has 200+ teams that travel there with ~6,000 athletes every year. With 2 schools in the state you can double those numbers. They have a duty to protect those athletes. Saying you won't send those kids into venues where people may be carrying concealed weapons is not interfering, it is stating a fact.

It's not a "fact," it's pure bluster. You know as well as I do that not a single school will take this law into consideration when deciding whether or not to play in Mississippi.

As the article says, that law is already in place in Kansas. Several SEC schools played Kansas and Kansas State this year in basketball.
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RE: Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
(02-13-2018 01:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 10:16 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording

Quote:No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into... any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms... college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity

It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.

15% of their membership is in the state of Mississippi. The SEC has 200+ teams that travel there with ~6,000 athletes every year. With 2 schools in the state you can double those numbers. They have a duty to protect those athletes. Saying you won't send those kids into venues where people may be carrying concealed weapons is not interfering, it is stating a fact.

It's not a "fact," it's pure bluster. You know as well as I do that not a single school will take this law into consideration when deciding whether or not to play in Mississippi.

As the article says, that law is already in place in Kansas. Several SEC schools played Kansas and Kansas State this year in basketball.

It's a little more than bluster. Arkansas passed a similar law, the SEC responded similarly, and an exception was granted to the Universities. I think that's what is being sought here.

The conference has in the past opposed sponsorship by Beer companies that had as a stipulation alcohol sales on campuses. Until the SEC changes its stance against alcohol (and it's coming) that is another of these types of issues where the conference office has some teeth. The push for game day beer concessions is now coming from many quarters so it may change. The push for carry laws to extend to venues has no serious push coming from any of the schools or their donors.

Besides I'm waiting to hear what the Feds say about this. Homeland Security could get involved over venue issues.

I've never been a gun control proponent, but common sense has to come into play in our society somewhere. We have armed deputies stationed about every two sections in the stands. We search purses and can pat down suspicious persons as they enter the stadium. The only high vantage point over the stadium is now locked down on game day. So a terrorist would have be inside the stadium to begin an assault. So getting in with a weapon would be extremely hard to do, and getting out would be next to impossible with the law enforcement which remains below at gate level.

At Auburn we hold between 86 to 87,000 depending upon standing room tickets sold. It's the last place where I want a bunch of citizens carrying weapons. Any discharge would likely strike or ricochet into a person. If alcohol is one day sold in our venue that's another reason I don't want armed fans in attendance. It's a recipe for disaster and wholly unreasonable.

I'll trust the law enforcement to do their job on this one because they are actually there. And I'll trust my fellow fans to take down any gunman within the stadium. The perp might be able to get off some rounds, but they will be packed in with people all around them and they will be subdued and stomped to death if they act. If armed fans opened up all that would happen is even more innocent people would be killed in that kind of situation.

So for venues that are sold out regularly this kind of an attack would be hard to pull off. In a half empty stadium it might be a different matter.
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RE: Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
(02-13-2018 01:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 01:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 10:16 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording


It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.

15% of their membership is in the state of Mississippi. The SEC has 200+ teams that travel there with ~6,000 athletes every year. With 2 schools in the state you can double those numbers. They have a duty to protect those athletes. Saying you won't send those kids into venues where people may be carrying concealed weapons is not interfering, it is stating a fact.

It's not a "fact," it's pure bluster. You know as well as I do that not a single school will take this law into consideration when deciding whether or not to play in Mississippi.

As the article says, that law is already in place in Kansas. Several SEC schools played Kansas and Kansas State this year in basketball.

It's a little more than bluster. Arkansas passed a similar law, the SEC responded similarly, and an exception was granted to the Universities. I think that's what is being sought here.

The conference has in the past opposed sponsorship by Beer companies that had as a stipulation alcohol sales on campuses. Until the SEC changes its stance against alcohol (and it's coming) that is another of these types of issues where the conference office has some teeth. The push for game day beer concessions is now coming from many quarters so it may change. The push for carry laws to extend to venues has no serious push coming from any of the schools or their donors.

Besides I'm waiting to hear what the Feds say about this. Homeland Security could get involved over venue issues.

I've never been a gun control proponent, but common sense has to come into play in our society somewhere. We have armed deputies stationed about every two sections in the stands. We search purses and can pat down suspicious persons as they enter the stadium. The only high vantage point over the stadium is now locked down on game day. So a terrorist would have be inside the stadium to begin an assault. So getting in with a weapon would be extremely hard to do, and getting out would be next to impossible with the law enforcement which remains below at gate level.

At Auburn we hold between 86 to 87,000 depending upon standing room tickets sold. It's the last place where I want a bunch of citizens carrying weapons. Any discharge would likely strike or ricochet into a person. If alcohol is one day sold in our venue that's another reason I don't want armed fans in attendance. It's a recipe for disaster and wholly unreasonable.

I'll trust the law enforcement to do their job on this one because they are actually there. And I'll trust my fellow fans to take down any gunman within the stadium. The perp might be able to get off some rounds, but they will be packed in with people all around them and they will be subdued and stomped to death if they act. If armed fans opened up all that would happen is even more innocent people would be killed in that kind of situation.

I'm not supporting the law. I actually think it 100% makes sense to ban guns if the stadium serves alcohol, and if there's armed guards everywhere then there's no need to allow fans to carry.

I'm just stating that the commissioner is clearly wrong when he states that this law will affect schools/fans/referees decisions on whether to schedule/attend a game.
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(02-13-2018 02:07 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 01:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 01:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.

15% of their membership is in the state of Mississippi. The SEC has 200+ teams that travel there with ~6,000 athletes every year. With 2 schools in the state you can double those numbers. They have a duty to protect those athletes. Saying you won't send those kids into venues where people may be carrying concealed weapons is not interfering, it is stating a fact.

It's not a "fact," it's pure bluster. You know as well as I do that not a single school will take this law into consideration when deciding whether or not to play in Mississippi.

As the article says, that law is already in place in Kansas. Several SEC schools played Kansas and Kansas State this year in basketball.

It's a little more than bluster. Arkansas passed a similar law, the SEC responded similarly, and an exception was granted to the Universities. I think that's what is being sought here.

The conference has in the past opposed sponsorship by Beer companies that had as a stipulation alcohol sales on campuses. Until the SEC changes its stance against alcohol (and it's coming) that is another of these types of issues where the conference office has some teeth. The push for game day beer concessions is now coming from many quarters so it may change. The push for carry laws to extend to venues has no serious push coming from any of the schools or their donors.

Besides I'm waiting to hear what the Feds say about this. Homeland Security could get involved over venue issues.

I've never been a gun control proponent, but common sense has to come into play in our society somewhere. We have armed deputies stationed about every two sections in the stands. We search purses and can pat down suspicious persons as they enter the stadium. The only high vantage point over the stadium is now locked down on game day. So a terrorist would have be inside the stadium to begin an assault. So getting in with a weapon would be extremely hard to do, and getting out would be next to impossible with the law enforcement which remains below at gate level.

At Auburn we hold between 86 to 87,000 depending upon standing room tickets sold. It's the last place where I want a bunch of citizens carrying weapons. Any discharge would likely strike or ricochet into a person. If alcohol is one day sold in our venue that's another reason I don't want armed fans in attendance. It's a recipe for disaster and wholly unreasonable.

I'll trust the law enforcement to do their job on this one because they are actually there. And I'll trust my fellow fans to take down any gunman within the stadium. The perp might be able to get off some rounds, but they will be packed in with people all around them and they will be subdued and stomped to death if they act. If armed fans opened up all that would happen is even more innocent people would be killed in that kind of situation.

I'm not supporting the law. I actually think it 100% makes sense to ban guns if the stadium serves alcohol, and if there's armed guards everywhere then there's no need to allow fans to carry.

I'm just stating that the commissioner is clearly wrong when he states that this law will affect schools/fans/referees decisions on whether to schedule/attend a game.

Well, in the state of Mississippi the two schools combined have an economic impact within the state of about 1 Billion dollars. The officials are employees of the conference and their unofficial boss is the commissioner. So the threat isn't wholly toothless. If any kind of boycott occurred the state's economy would suffer. If Sankey truly got ballsy, which is not really part of his profile, I could see a big rub here. The two Mississippi schools are not high producers for the SEC. And while expulsion has never happened within the SEC and while if the two schools involved were Alabama and Auburn the SEC would tread a lot more lightly, I would have to think that the mere threat that the conference office could act would have a huge influence upon the state lawmakers of Mississippi, who after all represent business interests within the state. We are talking about state that has potholes large enough to swallow pulpwood trucks so revenue streams to them are definitely important.

So I wouldn't call the threat to pull sanction from games to be idle. I would say that any substantive action is highly unlikely because Mississippi will likely except college campuses and keep their carry law otherwise. The SEC is not seeking to disrupt Mississippi law, but they are seeking to keep campuses gun free zones, at least as far as venues go.
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(02-13-2018 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 10:16 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see this as interfering. I see the SEC supporting Ole Miss and Miss State in saying they want an exemption.

The bill itself contains the following wording

Quote:No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into... any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms... college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity

It sounds to me like the exception is already in place.
When they are weighing in on proposed legislation they as an outside entity are interfering.

15% of their membership is in the state of Mississippi. The SEC has 200+ teams that travel there with ~6,000 athletes every year. With 2 schools in the state you can double those numbers. They have a duty to protect those athletes. Saying you won't send those kids into venues where people may be carrying concealed weapons is not interfering, it is stating a fact.

It is most certainly interfering as he is using the threat of economic terrorism to get an outcome that he desires. Up until the point the Southeastern Conference pays a cent of taxes to the state of Mississippi or any other state where they have a member residing they should keep their mouths shut about legislative matters in said state. MSU and Ole Miss are fully capable of handling this themselves.
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Sankey Stands Against Proposed Miss. Gun Law: An Odd Twist on Realignment?
SEC, Sun Belt, Southland and SWAC all submitted objections to the Arkansas law.
In the end the state amended the law requiring a special permit to carry at sports events that requires added training above a concealed carry.


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