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(02-14-2018 11:11 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
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(02-12-2018 12:50 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Wow you actually had a vote? That's crazy, usually schools just say they are charging more and that's that....NOt sure how any UTSA fan thought this was actually going to pass, look at your student attendance for basketball. I don't know what your student attendance is for football but judging by basketball doesn't look like you get that great of student interest in sports....

You make it sound like you believe a similar measure would pass with a unanimous vote in Bowling Green...

Bowling Green University in BOwling Green Ohio? What the hell are you talking about? The city is not voting for it, the school is... My point was how would UTSA expect this to pass if you allow the students to vote?...Most students sounds at this particular university are not that invested in sports or at least basketball...Sounds like football they have good interest, but basketball is another key sport if you ever want to take next step and upgrade your arena.....WKU did not have a vote taken on last athletic fee, it was automatically added...I am sure the profs and newspaper staff at WKU are against anything sports related but that is at most universities...However enough students care and realize sports at WKU helps grow the university perception wise if we have success on the court and field...Only helps universities, look at UCF as example...

No, Bowling Green Kentucky, where Western is located, so where the vote would happen.

There is student apathy in all G5 schools.
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However enough students care and realize sports at WKU helps grow the university perception wise if we have success on the court and field...Only helps universities, look at UCF as example...
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Hard to make them realize that when professors are lobbying their students to vote NO in every class.
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(02-14-2018 11:22 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 11:11 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 12:50 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Wow you actually had a vote? That's crazy, usually schools just say they are charging more and that's that....NOt sure how any UTSA fan thought this was actually going to pass, look at your student attendance for basketball. I don't know what your student attendance is for football but judging by basketball doesn't look like you get that great of student interest in sports....

You make it sound like you believe a similar measure would pass with a unanimous vote in Bowling Green...

Bowling Green University in BOwling Green Ohio? What the hell are you talking about? The city is not voting for it, the school is... My point was how would UTSA expect this to pass if you allow the students to vote?...Most students sounds at this particular university are not that invested in sports or at least basketball...Sounds like football they have good interest, but basketball is another key sport if you ever want to take next step and upgrade your arena.....WKU did not have a vote taken on last athletic fee, it was automatically added...I am sure the profs and newspaper staff at WKU are against anything sports related but that is at most universities...However enough students care and realize sports at WKU helps grow the university perception wise if we have success on the court and field...Only helps universities, look at UCF as example...

No, Bowling Green Kentucky, where Western is located, so where the vote would happen.

There is student apathy in all G5 schools.

Yes but 1500 show up to a game compared to 50 is a large gap at some of our schools...For the most part WKU students seem fully engaged now that they are showing up to basketball games and not on their phones the entire game at least...We have usually 4k for football and 1k for basketball....Only item I don't get is the 1 month excuse for students noy coming to games mid dec. to mid jan.....I would guess at least %40 of WKU student enrollment lives within a 45 mile radius of Bowling Green when campus is closed(but not really closed that long if enrolled in Winter Term)...."Going HOme" is really just driving down the street to the game and more and more students live off campus apartments nowadays starting as early as sophomore year....So I don't buy that excuse...
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(02-14-2018 11:23 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 11:22 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 11:11 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 12:50 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Wow you actually had a vote? That's crazy, usually schools just say they are charging more and that's that....NOt sure how any UTSA fan thought this was actually going to pass, look at your student attendance for basketball. I don't know what your student attendance is for football but judging by basketball doesn't look like you get that great of student interest in sports....

You make it sound like you believe a similar measure would pass with a unanimous vote in Bowling Green...

Bowling Green University in BOwling Green Ohio? What the hell are you talking about? The city is not voting for it, the school is... My point was how would UTSA expect this to pass if you allow the students to vote?...Most students sounds at this particular university are not that invested in sports or at least basketball...Sounds like football they have good interest, but basketball is another key sport if you ever want to take next step and upgrade your arena.....WKU did not have a vote taken on last athletic fee, it was automatically added...I am sure the profs and newspaper staff at WKU are against anything sports related but that is at most universities...However enough students care and realize sports at WKU helps grow the university perception wise if we have success on the court and field...Only helps universities, look at UCF as example...

No, Bowling Green Kentucky, where Western is located, so where the vote would happen.

There is student apathy in all G5 schools.

Yes but 1500 show up to a game compared to 50 is a large gap at some of our schools...For the most part WKU students seem fully engaged now that they are showing up to basketball games and not on their phones the entire game at least...We have usually 4k for football and 1k for basketball....Only item I don't get is the 1 month excuse for students noy coming to games mid dec. to mid jan.....I would guess at least %40 of WKU student enrollment lives within a 45 mile radius of Bowling Green when campus is closed(but not really closed that long if enrolled in Winter Term)...."Going HOme" is really just driving down the street to the game and more and more students live off campus apartments nowadays starting as early as sophomore year....So I don't buy that excuse...

The problem is that even in G5 schools with strong student support, they are still outnumbered by the apathetic and the instate P5 fans.

These types of measures are unlikely to pass at most G5 programs, unless the apathetic don't vote or it's an extreme case like UAB where football is literally on the line.
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(02-14-2018 11:09 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I was talking about basketball, you cannot have that many students attend in a 1500 seat arena....

So what you're saying is that I was correct you used their overall basketball attendance to assert their student basketball attendance is poor. 07-coffee3

Also, the capacity for the Convocation Center is 4,080.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convocatio...n_Antonio) http://www.goutsa.com/news/2007/7/26/1138403.aspx http://www.utsamensbasketballcamps.com/f...ctions.cfm
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(02-14-2018 11:14 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Come on man! THe gym holds about 1500 and when we played against UTSA on a Saturday didn't look like 500 total people in the seats, how many actual students attended those basketball games? 50? Why would overall attendance have anything to do with a "student" vote?

This just reinforces my above response. 07-coffee3

And, the issue isn't with a student vote.
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(02-14-2018 12:01 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 11:09 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I was talking about basketball, you cannot have that many students attend in a 1500 seat arena....

So what you're saying is that I was correct you used their overall basketball attendance to assert their student basketball attendance is poor. 07-coffee3

Also, the capacity for the Convocation Center is 4,080.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convocatio...n_Antonio) http://www.goutsa.com/news/2007/7/26/1138403.aspx http://www.utsamensbasketballcamps.com/f...ctions.cfm

Yes UTSA has weak student support in basketball, why is that so hard for you to understand? Well without more money from students than a desperately needed new basketball arena will not happen then right?
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MT's student support is weak, especially on Saturdays. It's embarrassing, and something needs to be done to get them to the games.

I blame the marketing department and the powers-that-be.

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(02-14-2018 12:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yes UTSA has weak student support in basketball, why is that so hard for you to understand? Well without more money from students than a desperately needed new basketball arena will not happen then right?

You clearly don't understand what this whole discussion was about...

You made the assertion, as a WKU fan, that UTSA basketball student attendance is low and based off that assertion, UTSA football attendance is most likely low since it doesn't seem like they garner great student interest in sports.

With data provided by the university, which is only overall attendance that we have made available to us, I showed that UTSA does have great football attendance.

Then our friend Josh joined the discussion, not using any logic, believing whatever he reads on the Internet. Apparently, because you'd used the word student, you must know what you're talking about and that I lacked reading comprehension. Clearly by your inaccuracy (again) of the capacity at the Convocation Center, this isn't always the case.

The issue is if you're going to infer student attendance based off overall attendance for basketball (which you basically admit to), you have to do the same for football. By doing so, it seems like their student attendance (and interest) for football is much greater than basketball.

I'm not saying UTSA basketball student attendance isn't low; I simply argued that you made your assertion based off their overall attendance (which your later responses indicate) to which Josh had disagreed because you used the word student and couldn't possibly be making inferences from their overall attendance.

UTSA basketball student attendance is low. This can be inferred from data provided for their overall basketball attendance.

By the way, I'm done with this discussion as I was proven right.
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(02-14-2018 01:29 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yes UTSA has weak student support in basketball, why is that so hard for you to understand? Well without more money from students than a desperately needed new basketball arena will not happen then right?

You clearly don't understand what this whole discussion was about...

You made the assertion, as a WKU fan, that UTSA basketball student attendance is low and based off that assertion, UTSA football attendance is most likely low since it doesn't seem like they garner great student interest in sports.

With data provided by the university, which is only overall attendance that we have made available to us, I showed that UTSA does have great football attendance.

Then our friend Josh joined the discussion, not using any logic, believing whatever he reads on the Internet. Apparently, because you'd used the word student, you must know what you're talking about and that I lacked reading comprehension. Clearly by your inaccuracy (again) of the capacity at the Convocation Center, this isn't always the case.

The issue is if you're going to infer student attendance based off overall attendance for basketball (which you basically admit to), you have to do the same for football. By doing so, it seems like their student attendance (and interest) for football is much greater than basketball.

I'm not saying UTSA basketball student attendance isn't low; I simply argued that you made your assertion based off their overall attendance (which your later responses indicate) to which Josh had disagreed because you used the word student and couldn't possibly be making inferences from their overall attendance.

UTSA basketball student attendance is low. This can be inferred from data provided for their overall basketball attendance.

By the way, I'm done with this discussion as I was proven right.

What the hell are you talking about, are you a reporter from CNN or a Russian troll bot that spits out nonsense on message boards? I never said student support at UTSA football games was low, I said I have no idea...Now for basketball when we played camera showed a few students but not many and was not a great atmosphere for basketball that day....I don't know what your deal is with all of this? LIke arguing with a brick wall seems to me....I don't really care one way or the other, my only point was of course UTSA students were not going to vote for any athletic hike to go towards athletics when at least for one of the top 2 sports one any campus(men's basketball is considered 2nd to only football) they have very little student support....This is fact and even UTSA fans have chimed in for years saying they need a new arena, which is another fact...
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(02-14-2018 04:15 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:29 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yes UTSA has weak student support in basketball, why is that so hard for you to understand? Well without more money from students than a desperately needed new basketball arena will not happen then right?

You clearly don't understand what this whole discussion was about...

You made the assertion, as a WKU fan, that UTSA basketball student attendance is low and based off that assertion, UTSA football attendance is most likely low since it doesn't seem like they garner great student interest in sports.

With data provided by the university, which is only overall attendance that we have made available to us, I showed that UTSA does have great football attendance.

Then our friend Josh joined the discussion, not using any logic, believing whatever he reads on the Internet. Apparently, because you'd used the word student, you must know what you're talking about and that I lacked reading comprehension. Clearly by your inaccuracy (again) of the capacity at the Convocation Center, this isn't always the case.

The issue is if you're going to infer student attendance based off overall attendance for basketball (which you basically admit to), you have to do the same for football. By doing so, it seems like their student attendance (and interest) for football is much greater than basketball.

I'm not saying UTSA basketball student attendance isn't low; I simply argued that you made your assertion based off their overall attendance (which your later responses indicate) to which Josh had disagreed because you used the word student and couldn't possibly be making inferences from their overall attendance.

UTSA basketball student attendance is low. This can be inferred from data provided for their overall basketball attendance.

By the way, I'm done with this discussion as I was proven right.

What the hell are you talking about, are you a reporter from CNN or a Russian troll bot that spits out nonsense on message boards? I never said student support at UTSA football games was low, I said I have no idea...Now for basketball when we played camera showed a few students but not many and was not a great atmosphere for basketball that day....I don't know what your deal is with all of this? LIke arguing with a brick wall seems to me....I don't really care one way or the other, my only point was of course UTSA students were not going to vote for any athletic hike to go towards athletics when at least for one of the top 2 sports one any campus(men's basketball is considered 2nd to only football) they have very little student support....This is fact and even UTSA fans have chimed in for years saying they need a new arena, which is another fact...


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(02-14-2018 11:16 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:35 PM)Irish Rowdy Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 12:50 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Wow you actually had a vote? That's crazy, usually schools just say they are charging more and that's that....NOt sure how any UTSA fan thought this was actually going to pass, look at your student attendance for basketball. I don't know what your student attendance is for football but judging by basketball doesn't look like you get that great of student interest in sports....

But the ones that do go to games got to watch your team get beat by UTSA.

Congrats, you guys have owned us last two seasons out of 100...Cannot wait to met again in conference tournament!

We've only had basketball since 1981, and no one has owned anyone the last 2 seasons. As a matter of fact, we've only played a total of 4 times so far in our history with you guys winning three. You've definitely had a much better program for a long time though, as our all-time winning percentage is only .527.
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UTSA got a huge boost from the city of San Antonio's bond which passed this last year for facilities. In fact the $10,000,000 was almost all of my district's input. I didn't agree with the way it was sold to the councilman but I guess it worked out for UTSA.
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(02-16-2018 11:51 PM)WWDog Wrote:  UTSA got a huge boost from the city of San Antonio's bond which passed this last year for facilities. In fact the $10,000,000 was almost all of my district's input. I didn't agree with the way it was sold to the councilman but I guess it worked out for UTSA.

Nah, it was kind of mismanaged. We asked for $25 mil and they came back with $10 mil. This is not quite a complete picture.
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That's about $10 mil more than any other school I know of in CUSA getting from their cities. Seems the students could have helped out after a boost from the city. I guess district 8 won't be getting any pot holes fixed for a while.
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This topic is always an interesting one. It comes down to what percentage of an athletic budget should be placed on the backs of students (or parents paying that bill). At the G5 level that is a difficult question, due to the lack of material TV revenue. Should it be 40%, 50%, 60%? Unfortunately some are north of 75%.
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And some are well below that 40%. Looks like UNT got their's passed!
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(02-19-2018 10:29 PM)WWDog Wrote:  And some are well below that 40%. Looks like UNT got their's passed!

Yea I think seeing what happened with UTSA, helped UNT get the message out right to its student body. After listening to Alamo Audible, they made a great point, that those that put this together, did a very poor job of communicating what it was for. And that if they would of said, we need money to replace the Convo center.. which they need to do ASAP or improve the baseball stadium to where its on par with a college baseball stadium.
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(02-20-2018 08:21 AM)Greenroom Wrote:  
(02-19-2018 10:29 PM)WWDog Wrote:  And some are well below that 40%. Looks like UNT got their's passed!

Yea I think seeing what happened with UTSA, helped UNT get the message out right to its student body. After listening to Alamo Audible, they made a great point, that those that put this together, did a very poor job of communicating what it was for. And that if they would of said, we need money to replace the Convo center.. which they need to do ASAP or improve the baseball stadium to where its on par with a college baseball stadium.

Agreed. I also think though that the timing hurt us. We had just hired both a new President and new AD, who kinda had this thrown on their laps. Might not have changed the outcome if we had been able to streamline the campaign a bit better, but it probably would have at least been a closer vote than it turned out to be.
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(02-08-2018 07:41 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  One step to trying to get on par with the rest of the FBS in facilities just took a hit.

Athletics Fee Voting Results

For – 1,439 or 23.3%
Against – 4,734 or 76.7%

Transportation Fee Voting Results

For – 1,857 or 30.1%
Against – 4,316 or 69.9%

"The fee increase was requested to enhance the students’ experience at UTSA sporting events, support recruiting student-athletes, maintain and upgrade athletic facilities, upgrade video equipment and expand staff to televise programs at Conference USA standards, and hire and retain athletic managers and trainers to support student well-being."

Some are holding our faculty partly to blame, as some faculty had "Vote No" signs in their departments. Convenient that students don't get to vote on tuition hikes, salaries, lab fees, etc.

http://www.utsa.edu/today/2018/02/story/FeeVote.html

Wait...UTSA has substandard broadcast equipment and staff? I'm sure CUSA standards aren't on par as the MW but that is surprising to me. In fact, in this momentum of digital broadcasting and schools producing their own games, it is a necessity now. UTSA is going to fall behind if they can't get that part up to snuff.

I guess the MW will be more inclined to look at UNT rather than UTSA for any expansion into Texas.
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