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(02-16-2018 08:48 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Houston has one critical advantage Mickey did not have - all the good teams have now left FCS for FBS, so the path for Houston is much easier.

Montana has left? The team that upset JMU in 2008? NDSU has left? The team that beat JMU in 2012? YSU has left? The team that beat JMU in 2006? Not to mention several teams in the CAA...they’ve left FCS FB too?

Wow, I must have fallen asleep. Glad you’re on duty to tell us how much easier it is to win now. 07-coffee3
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(02-16-2018 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:46 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hyper: Your last post is just plain silly. You are really showing your youth dude. I could write a book on what I know but that would require giving up sources and thus dragging innocent people into this conversation. I am not about to name events and sources just so I can win a message board argument with you.

A lot of people on this board know who I am and they know I don’t make stuff up. You are welcome to believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. I really have lost all respect for you man. You seem to have an ax to grind with a lot of people. Is Mickey your uncle?

Mickey and Lefty were fired for more than their win loss record. So was Brady, who I happen to like a lot and have visited with him since he left JMU. Anyone close to the program knows these facts but due to privacy, they were not made public. Why are you not more informed?

By the way, do I also have an ax to grind with Lefty and Brady since I included their names in my post too?

My ax with Mickey is that he recruited well and then held his talent back. With the exception of two seasons, his playoff record was abysmal. No one did less with more. Proof of this is that Withers went 9-3 and 9-3 with a mostly Mickey recruited team. Houston won a N.C. I am far more pissed off by the first round exits because of his crappy late game decision making than anything he did to me personally. If I would criticize our administration for anything over the last 20 years, it would be that they kept an underperforming football coach for 15 years because of two seasons in which he made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Mickey had every advantage Houston has now. Why was his record so average? It is because he is so average. There is where my real ax is buddy. You good now?

Withers didn't go 9-3 & 9-3. It was 9-4 and 9-3, because of Vad Lee.

MM it out of the 1st round 3 times (04', 08', 11'). Of the 3 first round exits:
-99' his 1st season- what string QB was JMU down to for that game @ Troy St?
-06' @ YSU was a terrible draw (basically #5 @ #4 1st round), and JMU was absolutely hosed on that spot..
-07' @ ASU was a terrible draw @ the eventual Nat Champ 1st round. But JMU should have won, blame MM on that one.

MM IMHOP overall wasn't underperforming for the 1st 10 seasons, but was for the last 5.

Yes, the play in game in ‘11. I guess I did not consider that as a first round win. Was that the second year of 20 teams in the tourney? Okay, 3 first round wins with an asterisk. Did you like the QB sneak call on 4th and two when JMU could have secured the win at YSU? It was a tough draw but JMU should have won that game too.

I agree we should not judge him based on the Troy St. game. I believe they started the game with their 4th string QB and finished with their 5th.

Did you think Mickeys first five years were better than his last five years? No first round playoff wins. 8-4, 6-5, 2-9, 5-7 and 6-6. His only two losing seasons. You are the stat guy. That sure looks worse to me. Mickey had a good five year run from 04-08. The rest of his career was actually pretty bad. Lots of wins over powder puff teams padded the wins. Besides the one 1A team each year, most of the OOC schedule was pretty weak.
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(02-16-2018 09:00 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 08:48 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Houston has one critical advantage Mickey did not have - all the good teams have now left FCS for FBS, so the path for Houston is much easier.

Montana has left? The team that upset JMU in 2008? NDSU has left? The team that beat JMU in 2012? YSU has left? The team that beat JMU in 2006? Not to mention several teams in the CAA...they’ve left FCS FB too?

Wow, I must have fallen asleep. Glad you’re on duty to tell us how much easier it is to win now. 07-coffee3
I agree with LH there- all the good teams haven't left, and other programs have stepped up, #1 example being NDSU.

2 things though that did work against MM.
One- Back 2003 through 2010 or so the CAA was a tougher league, clearly the tops in I-AA. I don't know if MH would have gone 8-0 in the CAA in back to back seasons during that time period like did in 2016-2017. Maybe the 8-0 would have been 7-1. Remember UD won the NC in 2003, JMU won it in 04'. RU won it in 08', VU won it in 09'. None went undefeated. UD, JMU, and VU had one loss in conference play. RU had 2.

Secondly, call it bad luck or BS playoff bracketing in 3 of MMs last 4 playoff seasons, with terrible Round of 16 draws as I already mentioned in my previous post:
-2006 (1st round/round of 16) @ #4 seed YSU. Again, JMU probably would have been the #5 seed if they had then seeded more than 4 teams. Meanwhile, UNH, whom JMU had thumped earlier in the season & had a lesser record, ((8-3/5-3) to JMU's 9-2/7-1)), got an easy draw with Hampton. The plane ride should have been UNH to YSU, and the bus ride should have been Hampton to JMU.

-2007 (1st round/round of 16) @ ASU. ASU (9-2/6-2), had beaten Michigan. ASU probably would have been the #5 seed if they had then seeded more than 4 teams. I remember Armanti Edwards had been injured for at least 1 of their So-Con losses. ASU went on to win the NC. Meanwhile RU drew a way lesser EKU, UD got Del State..

-2011
(1st round/round of 20) @ EKU because Bourne lowballed the bid.
(2nd round/round of 16) @ #2 seed NDSU, lost 26-12. NDSU rolled everyone else on their way to the NC. Good chance JMU that year could have beaten any of the other seeds.

That said, MM teams underperformed in his last 5 seasons, and IMHOP he should have been let go when he was. Not earlier, not later.
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(02-16-2018 11:54 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 09:00 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 08:48 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Houston has one critical advantage Mickey did not have - all the good teams have now left FCS for FBS, so the path for Houston is much easier.

Montana has left? The team that upset JMU in 2008? NDSU has left? The team that beat JMU in 2012? YSU has left? The team that beat JMU in 2006? Not to mention several teams in the CAA...they’ve left FCS FB too?

Wow, I must have fallen asleep. Glad you’re on duty to tell us how much easier it is to win now. 07-coffee3
I agree with LH there- all the good teams haven't left, and other programs have stepped up, #1 example being NDSU.

2 things though that did work against MM.
One- Back 2003 through 2010 or so the CAA was a tougher league, clearly the tops in I-AA. I don't know if MH would have gone 8-0 in the CAA in back to back seasons during that time period like did in 2016-2017. Maybe the 8-0 would have been 7-1. Remember UD won the NC in 2003, JMU won it in 04'. RU won it in 08', VU won it in 09'. None went undefeated. UD, JMU, and VU had one loss in conference play. RU had 2.

Secondly, call it bad luck or BS playoff bracketing in 3 of MMs last 4 playoff seasons, with terrible Round of 16 draws as I already mentioned in my previous post:
-2006 (1st round/round of 16) @ #4 seed YSU. Again, JMU probably would have been the #5 seed if they had then seeded more than 4 teams. Meanwhile, UNH, whom JMU had thumped earlier in the season & had a lesser record, ((8-3/5-3) to JMU's 9-2/7-1)), got an easy draw with Hampton. The plane ride should have been UNH to YSU, and the bus ride should have been Hampton to JMU.

-2007 (1st round/round of 16) @ ASU. ASU (9-2/6-2), had beaten Michigan. ASU probably would have been the #5 seed if they had then seeded more than 4 teams. I remember Armanti Edwards had been injured for at least 1 of their So-Con losses. ASU went on to win the NC. Meanwhile RU drew a way lesser EKU, UD got Del State..

-2011
(1st round/round of 20) @ EKU because Bourne lowballed the bid.
(2nd round/round of 16) @ #2 seed NDSU, lost 26-12. NDSU rolled everyone else on their way to the NC. Good chance JMU that year could have beaten any of the other seeds.

That said, MM teams underperformed in his last 5 seasons, and IMHOP he should have been let go when he was. Not earlier, not later.

What is your opinion on the first five seasons for Mickey?
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(02-16-2018 11:29 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:46 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hyper: Your last post is just plain silly. You are really showing your youth dude. I could write a book on what I know but that would require giving up sources and thus dragging innocent people into this conversation. I am not about to name events and sources just so I can win a message board argument with you.

A lot of people on this board know who I am and they know I don’t make stuff up. You are welcome to believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. I really have lost all respect for you man. You seem to have an ax to grind with a lot of people. Is Mickey your uncle?

Mickey and Lefty were fired for more than their win loss record. So was Brady, who I happen to like a lot and have visited with him since he left JMU. Anyone close to the program knows these facts but due to privacy, they were not made public. Why are you not more informed?

By the way, do I also have an ax to grind with Lefty and Brady since I included their names in my post too?

My ax with Mickey is that he recruited well and then held his talent back. With the exception of two seasons, his playoff record was abysmal. No one did less with more. Proof of this is that Withers went 9-3 and 9-3 with a mostly Mickey recruited team. Houston won a N.C. I am far more pissed off by the first round exits because of his crappy late game decision making than anything he did to me personally. If I would criticize our administration for anything over the last 20 years, it would be that they kept an underperforming football coach for 15 years because of two seasons in which he made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Mickey had every advantage Houston has now. Why was his record so average? It is because he is so average. There is where my real ax is buddy. You good now?

Withers didn't go 9-3 & 9-3. It was 9-4 and 9-3, because of Vad Lee.

MM it out of the 1st round 3 times (04', 08', 11'). Of the 3 first round exits:
-99' his 1st season- what string QB was JMU down to for that game @ Troy St?
-06' @ YSU was a terrible draw (basically #5 @ #4 1st round), and JMU was absolutely hosed on that spot..
-07' @ ASU was a terrible draw @ the eventual Nat Champ 1st round. But JMU should have won, blame MM on that one.

MM IMHOP overall wasn't underperforming for the 1st 10 seasons, but was for the last 5.

Yes, the play in game in ‘11. I guess I did not consider that as a first round win. Was that the second year of 20 teams in the tourney? Okay, 3 first round wins with an asterisk. Did you like the QB sneak call on 4th and two when JMU could have secured the win at YSU? It was a tough draw but JMU should have won that game too.

I agree we should not judge him based on the Troy St. game. I believe they started the game with their 4th string QB and finished with their 5th.

Did you think Mickeys first five years were better than his last five years? No first round playoff wins. 8-4, 6-5, 2-9, 5-7 and 6-6. His only two losing seasons. You are the stat guy. That sure looks worse to me. Mickey had a good five year run from 04-08. The rest of his career was actually pretty bad. Lots of wins over powder puff teams padded the wins. Besides the one 1A team each year, most of the OOC schedule was pretty weak.

According to the game stats play by play it was 4th and 1 at the YSU 12. Even if it was a long 1, Rascatti clearly made the 1st down. The refs gave him a horrible spot as the ESPN2 replays clearly showed. That I do clearly remember, and was re hashed on here ad nausem . If JMU had kicked the FG and made it, would have gone up 34-28. YSU still scored a TD anyway. After JMU got the ball back only got to the YSU 38 yard line. So yes I liked the call to go for it, even in hindsight.

1999-2003:
-He inherited a team that had just had back to back losing seasons under Wood.
-He made the playoffs in his 1st season, when the playoffs were harder to make back then with a 16 team field.
-Clearly there was a much lower standard to be met 99'-03' than 09'-13'.
All of that bought him more time, and a 6th season was reasonable. And as I recall, he would have been fired if he didn't make the playoffs in 2004, which would have been reasonable IMHOP.

2009-2013
-Clearly a higher standard to be met.
-Facilities & support were far higher.
-Playoffs weren't as hard to make (16 team field 2009, 20 team field 2010-2012, 24 team field 2013).

So even though his 1st 5 seasons weren't as good as his last 5, after his 1st 5 seasons he deserved 1 more, and after his last 5 he didn't IMHOP.
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(02-17-2018 12:36 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:29 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:46 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hyper: Your last post is just plain silly. You are really showing your youth dude. I could write a book on what I know but that would require giving up sources and thus dragging innocent people into this conversation. I am not about to name events and sources just so I can win a message board argument with you.

A lot of people on this board know who I am and they know I don’t make stuff up. You are welcome to believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. I really have lost all respect for you man. You seem to have an ax to grind with a lot of people. Is Mickey your uncle?

Mickey and Lefty were fired for more than their win loss record. So was Brady, who I happen to like a lot and have visited with him since he left JMU. Anyone close to the program knows these facts but due to privacy, they were not made public. Why are you not more informed?

By the way, do I also have an ax to grind with Lefty and Brady since I included their names in my post too?

My ax with Mickey is that he recruited well and then held his talent back. With the exception of two seasons, his playoff record was abysmal. No one did less with more. Proof of this is that Withers went 9-3 and 9-3 with a mostly Mickey recruited team. Houston won a N.C. I am far more pissed off by the first round exits because of his crappy late game decision making than anything he did to me personally. If I would criticize our administration for anything over the last 20 years, it would be that they kept an underperforming football coach for 15 years because of two seasons in which he made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Mickey had every advantage Houston has now. Why was his record so average? It is because he is so average. There is where my real ax is buddy. You good now?

Withers didn't go 9-3 & 9-3. It was 9-4 and 9-3, because of Vad Lee.

MM it out of the 1st round 3 times (04', 08', 11'). Of the 3 first round exits:
-99' his 1st season- what string QB was JMU down to for that game @ Troy St?
-06' @ YSU was a terrible draw (basically #5 @ #4 1st round), and JMU was absolutely hosed on that spot..
-07' @ ASU was a terrible draw @ the eventual Nat Champ 1st round. But JMU should have won, blame MM on that one.

MM IMHOP overall wasn't underperforming for the 1st 10 seasons, but was for the last 5.

Yes, the play in game in ‘11. I guess I did not consider that as a first round win. Was that the second year of 20 teams in the tourney? Okay, 3 first round wins with an asterisk. Did you like the QB sneak call on 4th and two when JMU could have secured the win at YSU? It was a tough draw but JMU should have won that game too.

I agree we should not judge him based on the Troy St. game. I believe they started the game with their 4th string QB and finished with their 5th.

Did you think Mickeys first five years were better than his last five years? No first round playoff wins. 8-4, 6-5, 2-9, 5-7 and 6-6. His only two losing seasons. You are the stat guy. That sure looks worse to me. Mickey had a good five year run from 04-08. The rest of his career was actually pretty bad. Lots of wins over powder puff teams padded the wins. Besides the one 1A team each year, most of the OOC schedule was pretty weak.

According to the game stats play by play it was 4th and 1 at the YSU 12. Even if it was a long 1, Rascatti clearly made the 1st down. The refs gave him a horrible spot as the ESPN2 replays clearly showed. That I do clearly remember, and was re hashed on here ad nausem . If JMU had kicked the FG and made it, would have gone up 34-28. YSU still scored a TD anyway. After JMU got the ball back only got to the YSU 38 yard line. So yes I liked the call to go for it, even in hindsight.

1999-2003:
-He inherited a team that had just had back to back losing seasons under Wood.
-He made the playoffs in his 1st season, when the playoffs were harder to make back then with a 16 team field.
-Clearly there was a much lower standard to be met 99'-03' than 09'-13'.
All of that bought him more time, and a 6th season was reasonable. And as I recall, he would have been fired if he didn't make the playoffs in 2004, which would have been reasonable IMHOP.

2009-2013
-Clearly a higher standard to be met.
-Facilities & support were far higher.
-Playoffs weren't as hard to make (16 team field 2009, 20 team field 2010-2012, 24 team field 2013).

So even though his 1st 5 seasons weren't as good as his last 5, after his 1st 5 seasons he deserved 1 more, and after his last 5 he didn't IMHOP.

I agreed with the call to go for it too. Yes it was technically fourth and one but you are using a stat instead of common sense. The ball was placed just shy of two yards away from the first down. JMU was beat up at the CB position and could not defend the YSU receivers so Mickey gave up the short route all game making YSU beat us with multiple short passes instead of a long one. Going for it was the right call because a field goal wasn’t going to win it, which proved to be correct.

The play called was as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. Do you remember how many times Mickey used the QB sneak in short yardage? He used it almost exclusively late in games. Used it with Rodney a ton. On the one hand he takes a risk by going for it, on the other he calls the most conservative play in football. When asked about the call in the postgame interview he said something like they wanted to prove they were tougher than YSU. Huh?

By the playoffs, there is so much film on everyone. You have to have a play dialed up YSU hasn’t seen or at least multiple plays they have seen but have to guess which one that will be run. A QB sneak made no sense to me just as the handoff to the Freshman RB in the last 30 seconds at App made no sense and the 7 off tackle calls at Lehigh in 2004 etc., etc.

Mickey was retained after 2003 because his son had a horrible accident and our administration has a heart. They weren’t going to take away a man’s employment and health insurance at a time when he needed it most. Mickey did nothing on the field to deserve a sixth year. No other coach would have received one. JMU made the right call extending him though. Given the circumstances, Clayton’s future was more important than JMUs win loss record.

You and I disagree on Mickeys career. I see a lot of mediocrity and two really good seasons with a program that is and was well funded. My feelings have everything to do with the frustration I experienced with his offensive play calling and off the field behavior not fitting of the guy who is running the program.
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I was actually glad when Mickey was extended after 2003, for whatever the reasons were, especially the compassionate one. But I felt another good reason was that in that 6-6 season, there were strong hints that the team was getting really close to being pretty good. During 03, the team constantly shot itself in the foot with untimely turnovers etc., making me think that absent that we would have had a much better record. It was an extremely young team with only a couple of seniors on it. One of those seniors got approved for a sixth year, Leon Steinfeld, who went on in 04 to being the super leader of the O line from his Center position.
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(02-17-2018 11:50 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  I was actually glad when Mickey was extended after 2003, for whatever the reasons were, especially the compassionate one. But I felt another good reason was that in that 6-6 season, there were strong hints that the team was getting really close to being pretty good. During 03, the team constantly shot itself in the foot with untimely turnovers etc., making me think that absent that we would have had a much better record. It was an extremely young team with only a couple of seniors on it. One of those seniors got approved for a sixth year, Leon Steinfeld, who went on in 04 to being the super leader of the O line from his Center position.

I have said many times that Steinfield’s injury almost got Mickey fired after ‘03 and won him a NC in ‘04. He was the engine that made the o line go. Probably the best o line in JMU history.
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(02-16-2018 07:15 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  You say you don't make stuff up, but you routinely post things that are factually incorrect because your memory isn't nearly as good as you think it is. So what's the difference between "making stuff up" and misremembering?

I don't idolize Mickey at all. I literally watched him hit on my girlfriend & get handsy once upon a time. I know how he was. He was somewhere between Withers & Houston results-wise in his overall time at JMU. You want to paint the picture that he was more like Withers than Houston. I disagree. That's all. You keep pushing the conversation toward football, but my issue is clearly with your personal smearing attempts. It's a major reach to pretend like his dismissal was about anything other than results on the field not meeting rising expectations. Expectations that he helped create with his teams' success!

I just struggle to let it go when someone smears someone, but isn't willing to provide ANY public commentary to accompany that public smearing. How hard is it to mention just one event of this supposed litany of misconduct?

Hmmmm. Let’s just take this one sentence. Do you believe the employee code of conduct at JMU would deem this type of behavior to be acceptable? Did your girlfriend report it? Probably no because if she did, he would have been terminated.

Would you deem this type of behavior as inappropriate off the field behavior? Do you think it was an isolated incident and that your girlfriend was the only girl in 15 years that Mickey approached?
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By "get handsy", I mean touch her leg lightly while he tried to charm her. I honestly thought it was funny at the time, as did my GF. It's not like she was flirting back & I was confident enough to not go berserk over something like that. It would've been the biggest overreaction of all-time to report this "behavior" IMO. Was there ever a sexual harassment suit or settlement out there? I'm honestly asking. You seem to have your finger on the pulse of this issue.

I don't particularly care how faithful a coach is to his wife. It really doesn't have anything to do with me. Whatever works for them. Personal lives come in all types. It sounds like we have very different lines for what is & isn't acceptable social behavior for a coach.

To bring all this back to the original idea that started it...
I stand by my assertion that Mickey's "behavior" had nothing to do with his being let go. His last few teams were underachieving related to the new standard he had set 2004-2008. He was literally a victim of his own success.
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First time read this thread.

Turned into personal attacks on Lefty and Micky again by the same poster.

Hyper - you are correct with your known facts, comments, and beliefs.
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(02-17-2018 10:45 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  By "get handsy", I mean touch her leg lightly while he tried to charm her. I honestly thought it was funny at the time, as did my GF. It's not like she was flirting back & I was confident enough to not go berserk over something like that. It would've been the biggest overreaction of all-time to report this "behavior" IMO. Was there ever a sexual harassment suit or settlement out there? I'm honestly asking. You seem to have your finger on the pulse of this issue.

I don't particularly care how faithful a coach is to his wife. It really doesn't have anything to do with me. Whatever works for them. Personal lives come in all types. It sounds like we have very different lines for what is & isn't acceptable social behavior for a coach.

To bring all this back to the original idea that started it...
I stand by my assertion that Mickey's "behavior" had nothing to do with his being let go. His last few teams were underachieving related to the new standard he had set 2004-2008. He was literally a victim of his own success.

I knew nothing about MM's off the field stuff, if it was or wasn't there. For what it's worth, I wasn't shocked that he was let go. He was a victim of his own success. The standard for JMU Football was raised and his teams weren't meeting that standard any longer, so he had to go. If he did have off the field issues, I'm sure that just made the decision easier.
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