(02-11-2018 05:23 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.

He probably was not referring to JMUNation.

Or Don Lemish.

(02-10-2018 04:43 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Is the "abusive behavior" simply his language? If there's nothing else (like there was at USM), I would agree that it's kinda weak to fire him. I'm sure we'll hear about some of it eventually, so I'll wait to judge for now.

It's alleged that he swore in players faces during games and after games pretty regularly. I hear you on swearing during a game in frustration or in general about the teams play but when it gets personal as it has with other coaches swearing or saying anti gay things to players that's not someone you want as one of your highest paid employees.

(02-12-2018 07:05 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 04:43 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Is the "abusive behavior" simply his language? If there's nothing else (like there was at USM), I would agree that it's kinda weak to fire him. I'm sure we'll hear about some of it eventually, so I'll wait to judge for now.

It's alleged that he swore in players faces during games and after games pretty regularly. I hear you on swearing during a game in frustration or in general about the teams play but when it gets personal as it has with other coaches swearing or saying anti gay things to players that's not someone you want as one of your highest paid employees.

It's more than that. He intimidated not only players, but team managers, staff, and other people within their athletic association. The zero tolerance policy spoke to him creating an environment of fear throughout not only his program but among others at the CSU AA. Far too many folks tied to CSU Athletics were in fear of speaking out as to what was going on knowing that there could and likely would be a response of some kind by LE. As normal, some players said they had no issue with it and stood up for him. Lots of others reportedly would not talk. Media was banned from practices which led to lots of question marks as well.

LE knew what the zero tolerance policy included and he agreed to continued contract/employment on those terms (and collecting a nice salary). As the CSU AD stated WTTE of "a zero tolerance policy doesn't mean anything if we let this behavior continue." He's a bully who has mental issues. He's been that way everywhere he's been. Obviously, CSU thought differently when hiring him in the first place because there was evidence beforehand. What kind of mature professional "adult" is found not once, but multiple times, hanging out drunk with female students at frat houses at opposing universities after games on the road? On one hand, CSU should be ashamed of themselves and got exactly for what they signed up. OTOH, kudos to them for saying this is enough.

There are far too many Mike Houstons in this world who do things the right way while staying firm to help mold boys into young men for JMU or any other university to have to waste their time on a-holes like LE.


edit note: the saga continues as CSU placed LE's top assistant and interim HC on paid leave hours before their win this past Saturday over San Jose State... http://www.reporterherald.com/sports/csu...tive-leave

(02-11-2018 12:08 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Also, Mickey was booted because the program stagnated. It wasn’t because of any misconduct. You’ve gotta get over that one time Mickey pissed you off.

Hyper:

Trust me. My comment has nothing to do with him pissing me off. You forget I was on the athletic board and worked in the business community for 9 years after graduation. I would not post something of this magnitude unless I had direct knowledge.

Perhaps I will get the chance to enlighten you in person one day at a tailgate. Just because you don’t witness something with your own eyes doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It is disrespectful for you to throw a condescending comment toward me when you are the one oblivious to the facts. At times, I cringe at some of your commentary. You are not nearly as smart as you believe you are young man and you certainly do not care to filter your offensive commentary. Is it keyboard bravado or just a born lack of respect toward others?

Back to the original topic. Given past experiences at JMU and the events that have been brought to the public’s attention at schools like Louisville, UNC, Mich. St. and Penn St., JMU is not going to take any character risks with coaches. Recent events that have been brought to light by those impacted have taught us that inappropriate behavior by men in power has been swept under the carpet for decades. What we know barely scratches the surface. The current JMU administration is not going to hire a coach with a checkered past to elevate its athletic programs nor tolerate student athletes behaving in a similar pattern.

(02-11-2018 05:23 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.

He probably was not referring to JMUNation.

Nor Mike Schickman who he publically embarrassed on the radio nor the lady who brought harassment charges against him. These are just two of the public things we know God, I mean, Lefty did. Let’s just sweep those under the carpet along with the things that were not publicized and act like JMU did not have cause to let Lefty go. Lefty’s ego and God complex (Remember “I am a living legend”) got him fired. By the way, did you ever see Fess Irvin’s car on campus? Wonder how he could afford that ride? I continue to be amazed at how fans side with these coaches and ignor their well documented misbehavior. It is just pitiful man. Lefty as the victim? Are you kidding me?

(02-11-2018 12:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  At the college level, you can’t expect zero cursing. That’s not reasonable. Not saying every good coach curses, just that zero cursing is an unreasonable expectation of a college coach. I heard loads of spicy language from professors during undergrad. It was fine.

I would still like to hear what Eustachy said to get into this mess. Not gonna judge until those details get out.

This is a reasonable post and one I doubt anyone would argue with.

(02-14-2018 11:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 05:23 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.

He probably was not referring to JMUNation.

Nor Mike Schickman who he publically embarrassed on the radio nor the lady who brought harassment charges against him. These are just two of the public things we know God, I mean, Lefty did. Let’s just sweep those under the carpet along with the things that were not publicized and act like JMU did not have cause to let Lefty go. Lefty’s ego and God complex (Remember “I am a living legend”) got him fired. By the way, did you ever see Fess Irvin’s car on campus? Wonder how he could afford that ride? I continue to be amazed at how fans side with these coaches and ignor their well documented misbehavior. It is just pitiful man. Lefty as the victim? Are you kidding me?

Nation, I hope you personally witnessed this harassment. I'm not defending Lefty at all, I agree with your thoughts, but I've witnessed some harassment cases that were not close to being worthy of any charges. People will agree to a settlement for the sole reason of the charges not becoming public even though there was no where near enough to make a case stick.

On the other hand, I know harassment exist, but witnessed enough in my life to keep my mouth shut unless I know as a first witness.

I also thought it was time to make a change when Lefty was let go, but we screwed up the hire by going with Sherman. I've known Sherman Dillard longer than anyone on this board (went to John D. Bassett HS with him in southern VA with the town having fewer than 1500 people and about 350 families), and never would I have considered him for a HC position, he simply didn't have to work for anything in his life. Heck of a nice guy and a great player, probably a very good assistant, but never had a setback or even a bruise that I believe is necessary in the life of a good Head Coach. JMU not working out for him was most definitely the hardest thing he ever had to deal with. Today, I'm proud of Sherman, he seems to have found himself.

(02-15-2018 04:38 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 11:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 05:23 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.

He probably was not referring to JMUNation.

Nor Mike Schickman who he publically embarrassed on the radio nor the lady who brought harassment charges against him. These are just two of the public things we know God, I mean, Lefty did. Let’s just sweep those under the carpet along with the things that were not publicized and act like JMU did not have cause to let Lefty go. Lefty’s ego and God complex (Remember “I am a living legend”) got him fired. By the way, did you ever see Fess Irvin’s car on campus? Wonder how he could afford that ride? I continue to be amazed at how fans side with these coaches and ignor their well documented misbehavior. It is just pitiful man. Lefty as the victim? Are you kidding me?

Nation, I hope you personally witnessed this harassment. I'm not defending Lefty at all, I agree with your thoughts, but I've witnessed some harassment cases that were not close to being worthy of any charges. People will agree to a settlement for the sole reason of the charges not becoming public even though there was no where near enough to make a case stick.

On the other hand, I know harassment exist, but witnessed enough in my life to keep my mouth shut unless I know as a first witness.

I also thought it was time to make a change when Lefty was let go, but we screwed up the hire by going with Sherman. I've known Sherman Dillard longer than anyone on this board (went to John D. Bassett HS with him in southern VA with the town having fewer than 1500 people and about 350 families), and never would I have considered him for a HC position, he simply didn't have to work for anything in his life. Heck of a nice guy and a great player, probably a very good assistant, but never had a setback or even a bruise that I believe is necessary in the life of a good Head Coach. JMU not working out for him was most definitely the hardest thing he ever had to deal with. Today, I'm proud of Sherman, he seems to have found himself.

But the charges against Lefty were public. They were detailed in the local paper. Should we assume they were false since none of us witnessed them? I heard the Schickman interview so I guess that is one I can claim I personally witnessed.

There is definitely too many people coming out of the woodwork claiming harassment these days. Some of the claims are malicious and really stretch what most would believe is harassment. I am not the moral police. Lord knows I am not perfect so I won’t judge others. What fires me up is someone disregarding a statement of mine because I have an ax to grind. I’d like to think I am above that. The comment by Hyper questions my character. I take exception to it.

Mickey is gone. I actually liked many things about him. For the record, the personal experience I had with him while inappropriate was mild in the grand scheme of things. He was a horrible offensive coach and his off the field behavior was less than desirable for a head coach. The guy was the winningest coach in JMU football history and 7-4 in his last year. He wasn’t let go solely because his teams stagnated.

Brady wasn’t let go for stagnating either. In his case, he lied about his contract to his bosses. This caused his employer to be publicly embarrassed. Rose saved him once but when Brady didn’t win the CAA, he was let go. There were other things about his program that were less than desirable but he was let go for lying to his bosses and embarrassing them publicly with the lawsuit brought on by Marist. Rule one for young folks. Never embarrass your boss.

The focus of my comment should have been that a coaches behavior is far more of a concern today than it was 20 years ago. Schools are not going to tolerate the God behavior of successful coaches who think their behavior is above approach. We are learning far too much has been swept under the carpet in some cases. To turn a blind eye to these things because you did not witness them personally is to allow these people to continue their unacceptable behavior. One incident is poor judgment and being human. We all make mistakes. A continued pattern and multiple acts of the same thing is a character flaw.

Let’s get back to the subject line. To say Eustachy wasn’t hired because our administration is too conservative is not accurate. Eustachy has proved that JMU was smart to not make the hire.

(02-14-2018 11:15 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Perhaps I will get the chance to enlighten you in person one day at a tailgate. Just because you don’t witness something with your own eyes doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It is disrespectful for you to throw a condescending comment toward me when you are the one oblivious to the facts. At times, I cringe at some of your commentary. You are not nearly as smart as you believe you are young man and you certainly do not care to filter your offensive commentary. Is it keyboard bravado or just a born lack of respect toward others?

Cool. I'm a really nice guy. I'm not afraid to say what I think on this message board, though. I know full well anyone can find out my identity if they try. Respect is earned, not automatic. Your double-standard above is ridiculous. I'm criticized for a condescending tone, then you give me the "young man" treatment.

Just be honest about your intentions & I have no issues. That's my main pet peeve.

(02-15-2018 08:21 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 04:38 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 11:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 05:23 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.

He probably was not referring to JMUNation.

Nor Mike Schickman who he publically embarrassed on the radio nor the lady who brought harassment charges against him. These are just two of the public things we know God, I mean, Lefty did. Let’s just sweep those under the carpet along with the things that were not publicized and act like JMU did not have cause to let Lefty go. Lefty’s ego and God complex (Remember “I am a living legend”) got him fired. By the way, did you ever see Fess Irvin’s car on campus? Wonder how he could afford that ride? I continue to be amazed at how fans side with these coaches and ignor their well documented misbehavior. It is just pitiful man. Lefty as the victim? Are you kidding me?

Nation, I hope you personally witnessed this harassment. I'm not defending Lefty at all, I agree with your thoughts, but I've witnessed some harassment cases that were not close to being worthy of any charges. People will agree to a settlement for the sole reason of the charges not becoming public even though there was no where near enough to make a case stick.

On the other hand, I know harassment exist, but witnessed enough in my life to keep my mouth shut unless I know as a first witness.

I also thought it was time to make a change when Lefty was let go, but we screwed up the hire by going with Sherman. I've known Sherman Dillard longer than anyone on this board (went to John D. Bassett HS with him in southern VA with the town having fewer than 1500 people and about 350 families), and never would I have considered him for a HC position, he simply didn't have to work for anything in his life. Heck of a nice guy and a great player, probably a very good assistant, but never had a setback or even a bruise that I believe is necessary in the life of a good Head Coach. JMU not working out for him was most definitely the hardest thing he ever had to deal with. Today, I'm proud of Sherman, he seems to have found himself.

But the charges against Lefty were public. They were detailed in the local paper. Should we assume they were false since none of us witnessed them? I heard the Schickman interview so I guess that is one I can claim I personally witnessed.

There is definitely too many people coming out of the woodwork claiming harassment these days. Some of the claims are malicious and really stretch what most would believe is harassment. I am not the moral police. Lord knows I am not perfect so I won’t judge others. What fires me up is someone disregarding a statement of mine because I have an ax to grind. I’d like to think I am above that. The comment by Hyper questions my character. I take exception to it.

Mickey is gone. I actually liked many things about him. For the record, the personal experience I had with him while inappropriate was mild in the grand scheme of things. He was a horrible offensive coach and his off the field behavior was less than desirable for a head coach. The guy was the winningest coach in JMU football history and 7-4 in his last year. He wasn’t let go solely because his teams stagnated.

Brady wasn’t let go for stagnating either. In his case, he lied about his contract to his bosses. This caused his employer to be publicly embarrassed. Rose saved him once but when Brady didn’t win the CAA, he was let go. There were other things about his program that were less than desirable but he was let go for lying to his bosses and embarrassing them publicly with the lawsuit brought on by Marist. Rule one for young folks. Never embarrass your boss.

The focus of my comment should have been that a coaches behavior is far more of a concern today than it was 20 years ago. Schools are not going to tolerate the God behavior of successful coaches who think their behavior is above approach. We are learning far too much has been swept under the carpet in some cases. To turn a blind eye to these things because you did not witness them personally is to allow these people to continue their unacceptable behavior. One incident is poor judgment and being human. We all make mistakes. A continued pattern and multiple acts of the same thing is a character flaw.

Let’s get back to the subject line. To say Eustachy wasn’t hired because our administration is too conservative is not accurate. Eustachy has proved that JMU was smart to not make the hire.

MM was 6-6 in his last year. I thought he was almost solely let go (like 90+ % of the reason why) because of his last 5 seasons at JMU:
6-5 no playoffs
6-5 no playoffs
8-5 lost round of 16
7-4 no playoffs
6-6 no playoffs
All while having top notch facilities/spending/support for a I-AA program. But wtf do I know.

(02-15-2018 01:55 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 11:15 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Perhaps I will get the chance to enlighten you in person one day at a tailgate. Just because you don’t witness something with your own eyes doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It is disrespectful for you to throw a condescending comment toward me when you are the one oblivious to the facts. At times, I cringe at some of your commentary. You are not nearly as smart as you believe you are young man and you certainly do not care to filter your offensive commentary. Is it keyboard bravado or just a born lack of respect toward others?

Cool. I'm a really nice guy. I'm not afraid to say what I think on this message board, though. I know full well anyone can find out my identity if they try. Respect is earned, not automatic. Your double-standard above is ridiculous. I'm criticized for a condescending tone, then you give me the "young man" treatment.

Just be honest about your intentions & I have no issues. That's my main pet peeve.

My intentions are to deliver the facts. Coaches and players get to hide behind “privacy laws”. The Administration in some cases can’t say why a coach was let go. With bigger programs like Louisville, the best beat reporters across the nation scoop the story and the truth gets out. At JMU, it stays under wraps.

I have far better things to do than to grind an ax over Mickey. I simply delivered a factual statement. Nothing more.

Let’s not bore others. PM me if you wish to discuss in more detail privately.

(02-15-2018 02:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 08:21 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 04:38 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 11:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 05:23 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  I had an opportunity to spend some time with Lefty at a charity function a few years ago. I apologized for the way JMU ended it with him; Lefty responded "there are a lot of good people in Harrisonburg.

He probably was not referring to JMUNation.

Nor Mike Schickman who he publically embarrassed on the radio nor the lady who brought harassment charges against him. These are just two of the public things we know God, I mean, Lefty did. Let’s just sweep those under the carpet along with the things that were not publicized and act like JMU did not have cause to let Lefty go. Lefty’s ego and God complex (Remember “I am a living legend”) got him fired. By the way, did you ever see Fess Irvin’s car on campus? Wonder how he could afford that ride? I continue to be amazed at how fans side with these coaches and ignor their well documented misbehavior. It is just pitiful man. Lefty as the victim? Are you kidding me?

Nation, I hope you personally witnessed this harassment. I'm not defending Lefty at all, I agree with your thoughts, but I've witnessed some harassment cases that were not close to being worthy of any charges. People will agree to a settlement for the sole reason of the charges not becoming public even though there was no where near enough to make a case stick.

On the other hand, I know harassment exist, but witnessed enough in my life to keep my mouth shut unless I know as a first witness.

I also thought it was time to make a change when Lefty was let go, but we screwed up the hire by going with Sherman. I've known Sherman Dillard longer than anyone on this board (went to John D. Bassett HS with him in southern VA with the town having fewer than 1500 people and about 350 families), and never would I have considered him for a HC position, he simply didn't have to work for anything in his life. Heck of a nice guy and a great player, probably a very good assistant, but never had a setback or even a bruise that I believe is necessary in the life of a good Head Coach. JMU not working out for him was most definitely the hardest thing he ever had to deal with. Today, I'm proud of Sherman, he seems to have found himself.

But the charges against Lefty were public. They were detailed in the local paper. Should we assume they were false since none of us witnessed them? I heard the Schickman interview so I guess that is one I can claim I personally witnessed.

There is definitely too many people coming out of the woodwork claiming harassment these days. Some of the claims are malicious and really stretch what most would believe is harassment. I am not the moral police. Lord knows I am not perfect so I won’t judge others. What fires me up is someone disregarding a statement of mine because I have an ax to grind. I’d like to think I am above that. The comment by Hyper questions my character. I take exception to it.

Mickey is gone. I actually liked many things about him. For the record, the personal experience I had with him while inappropriate was mild in the grand scheme of things. He was a horrible offensive coach and his off the field behavior was less than desirable for a head coach. The guy was the winningest coach in JMU football history and 7-4 in his last year. He wasn’t let go solely because his teams stagnated.

Brady wasn’t let go for stagnating either. In his case, he lied about his contract to his bosses. This caused his employer to be publicly embarrassed. Rose saved him once but when Brady didn’t win the CAA, he was let go. There were other things about his program that were less than desirable but he was let go for lying to his bosses and embarrassing them publicly with the lawsuit brought on by Marist. Rule one for young folks. Never embarrass your boss.

The focus of my comment should have been that a coaches behavior is far more of a concern today than it was 20 years ago. Schools are not going to tolerate the God behavior of successful coaches who think their behavior is above approach. We are learning far too much has been swept under the carpet in some cases. To turn a blind eye to these things because you did not witness them personally is to allow these people to continue their unacceptable behavior. One incident is poor judgment and being human. We all make mistakes. A continued pattern and multiple acts of the same thing is a character flaw.

Let’s get back to the subject line. To say Eustachy wasn’t hired because our administration is too conservative is not accurate. Eustachy has proved that JMU was smart to not make the hire.

MM was 6-6 in his last year. I thought he was almost solely let go (like 90+ % of the reason why) because of his last 5 seasons at JMU:
6-5 no playoffs
6-5 no playoffs
8-5 lost round of 16
7-4 no playoffs
6-6 no playoffs
All while having top notch facilities/spending/support for a I-AA program. But wtf do I know.

I was off by one game but the point is the same. Mickey’s record wasn’t great but had he been of the same character as Houston, he would still be at JMU. He was two years removed from the playoffs.

(02-15-2018 07:59 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  My intentions are to deliver the facts. Coaches and players get to hide behind “privacy laws”. The Administration in some cases can’t say why a coach was let go. With bigger programs like Louisville, the best beat reporters across the nation scoop the story and the truth gets out. At JMU, it stays under wraps.

I have far better things to do than to grind an ax over Mickey. I simply delivered a factual statement. Nothing more.

Let’s not bore others. PM me if you wish to discuss in more detail privately.

You’ve given no facts about your Mickey accusations. If you want to put them out there, I’m listening. My intention is to call out your ax-grinding every time you bring it up out of the blue. You don’t get to smear someone publicly with vague insinuations, then run away when asked for details. I mean, you CAN, it just shows your true intentions.

Hyper: Your last post is just plain silly. You are really showing your youth dude. I could write a book on what I know but that would require giving up sources and thus dragging innocent people into this conversation. I am not about to name events and sources just so I can win a message board argument with you.

A lot of people on this board know who I am and they know I don’t make stuff up. You are welcome to believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. I really have lost all respect for you man. You seem to have an ax to grind with a lot of people. Is Mickey your uncle?

Mickey and Lefty were fired for more than their win loss record. So was Brady, who I happen to like a lot and have visited with him since he left JMU. Anyone close to the program knows these facts but due to privacy, they were not made public. Why are you not more informed?

By the way, do I also have an ax to grind with Lefty and Brady since I included their names in my post too?

My ax with Mickey is that he recruited well and then held his talent back. With the exception of two seasons, his playoff record was abysmal. No one did less with more. Proof of this is that Withers went 9-3 and 9-3 with a mostly Mickey recruited team. Houston won a N.C. I am far more pissed off by the first round exits because of his crappy late game decision making than anything he did to me personally. If I would criticize our administration for anything over the last 20 years, it would be that they kept an underperforming football coach for 15 years because of two seasons in which he made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Mickey had every advantage Houston has now. Why was his record so average? It is because he is so average. There is where my real ax is buddy. You good now?

You say you don't make stuff up, but you routinely post things that are factually incorrect because your memory isn't nearly as good as you think it is. So what's the difference between "making stuff up" and misremembering?

I don't idolize Mickey at all. I literally watched him hit on my girlfriend & get handsy once upon a time. I know how he was. He was somewhere between Withers & Houston results-wise in his overall time at JMU. You want to paint the picture that he was more like Withers than Houston. I disagree. That's all. You keep pushing the conversation toward football, but my issue is clearly with your personal smearing attempts. It's a major reach to pretend like his dismissal was about anything other than results on the field not meeting rising expectations. Expectations that he helped create with his teams' success!

I just struggle to let it go when someone smears someone, but isn't willing to provide ANY public commentary to accompany that public smearing. How hard is it to mention just one event of this supposed litany of misconduct?

Interesting to say the least... https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college...17174.html

“This goes a lot deeper in college basketball than four corrupt assistant coaches,” said a source who has been briefed on the details of the case. “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”

...

So how bad could be it? In terms of NCAA rules, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports that the material obtained threatens the fundamental structure and integrity of the sport, as there’s potentially as many 50 college basketball programs that could end up compromised in some way.

(02-15-2018 10:46 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hyper: Your last post is just plain silly. You are really showing your youth dude. I could write a book on what I know but that would require giving up sources and thus dragging innocent people into this conversation. I am not about to name events and sources just so I can win a message board argument with you.

A lot of people on this board know who I am and they know I don’t make stuff up. You are welcome to believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. I really have lost all respect for you man. You seem to have an ax to grind with a lot of people. Is Mickey your uncle?

Mickey and Lefty were fired for more than their win loss record. So was Brady, who I happen to like a lot and have visited with him since he left JMU. Anyone close to the program knows these facts but due to privacy, they were not made public. Why are you not more informed?

By the way, do I also have an ax to grind with Lefty and Brady since I included their names in my post too?

My ax with Mickey is that he recruited well and then held his talent back. With the exception of two seasons, his playoff record was abysmal. No one did less with more. Proof of this is that Withers went 9-3 and 9-3 with a mostly Mickey recruited team. Houston won a N.C. I am far more pissed off by the first round exits because of his crappy late game decision making than anything he did to me personally. If I would criticize our administration for anything over the last 20 years, it would be that they kept an underperforming football coach for 15 years because of two seasons in which he made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Mickey had every advantage Houston has now. Why was his record so average? It is because he is so average. There is where my real ax is buddy. You good now?

Come on Nation. Most of us know you; you’re better than talking about losing “all respect” for a hardcore fan like Hyper. Most of us see his and BDK’s point and also know that perhaps there is something more to the story. Asking for more details or corroboration isn’t unreasonable, and a reply citing privacy issues and decorum isn’t unreasonable from you. No need to get nasty with personal attacks.

It's ok. He gets really upset when I challenge his Mickey axe-grinding. I was expecting his over-the-top reaction.

All that said, I really don't have anything against JMUNation & I don't think he's a bad guy. I understand the privacy thing, but that tells me it shouldn't have been mentioned at all to begin with.

(02-15-2018 10:46 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hyper: Your last post is just plain silly. You are really showing your youth dude. I could write a book on what I know but that would require giving up sources and thus dragging innocent people into this conversation. I am not about to name events and sources just so I can win a message board argument with you.

A lot of people on this board know who I am and they know I don’t make stuff up. You are welcome to believe what you want. I honestly don’t care. I really have lost all respect for you man. You seem to have an ax to grind with a lot of people. Is Mickey your uncle?

Mickey and Lefty were fired for more than their win loss record. So was Brady, who I happen to like a lot and have visited with him since he left JMU. Anyone close to the program knows these facts but due to privacy, they were not made public. Why are you not more informed?

By the way, do I also have an ax to grind with Lefty and Brady since I included their names in my post too?

My ax with Mickey is that he recruited well and then held his talent back. With the exception of two seasons, his playoff record was abysmal. No one did less with more. Proof of this is that Withers went 9-3 and 9-3 with a mostly Mickey recruited team. Houston won a N.C. I am far more pissed off by the first round exits because of his crappy late game decision making than anything he did to me personally. If I would criticize our administration for anything over the last 20 years, it would be that they kept an underperforming football coach for 15 years because of two seasons in which he made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Mickey had every advantage Houston has now. Why was his record so average? It is because he is so average. There is where my real ax is buddy. You good now?

Withers didn't go 9-3 & 9-3. It was 9-4 and 9-3, because of Vad Lee.

MM it out of the 1st round 3 times (04', 08', 11'). Of the 3 first round exits:
-99' his 1st season- what string QB was JMU down to for that game @ Troy St?
-06' @ YSU was a terrible draw (basically #5 @ #4 1st round), and JMU was absolutely hosed on that spot..
-07' @ ASU was a terrible draw @ the eventual Nat Champ 1st round. But JMU should have won, blame MM on that one.

MM IMHOP overall wasn't underperforming for the 1st 10 seasons, but was for the last 5.

Houston has one critical advantage Mickey did not have - all the good teams have now left FCS for FBS, so the path for Houston is much easier.