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College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP, #6 Coaches
AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (48) 22-1 1,608
2 Virginia (16) 22-1 1,572
3 Purdue (1) 23-2 1,500
4 Michigan State 22-3 1,407
5 Xavier 21-3 1,350
6 Cincinnati 21-2 1,305
7 Texas Tech 19-4 1,182
8 Auburn 21-2 1,138
9 Duke 19-4 1,075
10 Kansas 18-5 1,015
11 Saint Mary's 23-2 895
12 Gonzaga 21-4 851
13 Arizona 19-5 816
14 Ohio State 20-5 747
15 Tennessee 17-5 739
16 Clemson 19-4 720
17 Oklahoma 16-6 636
18 Rhode Island 19-3 486
19 West Virginia 17-6 457
20 Michigan 19-6 331
21 North Carolina 17-7 304
22 Wichita State 17-5 295
23 Nevada 20-4 205
24 Kentucky 17-6 133
25 Miami 17-5 76

Others receiving votes: Butler 65, Washington 54, Florida State 27, New Mexico State 23, Seton Hall 20, Creighton 18, Arizona State 17, Texas 15, NC State 12, Alabama 8, Middle Tennessee 6, Nebraska 4, Florida 3, Houston 3, TCU 3, Oklahoma State 2, East Tennessee State 1, Vermont 1





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Cecil HurtChris DachilleLauren BrownlowRick Bozich

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Dave MatterDoug DoughtyGeoff GrammerJustin JacksonMark BermanNorm WoodScott WolfShannon Ryan

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Andrew LopezAntonio MoralesB.J. RainsBob HoltBrant WilkersonBrian McInnisCarlos SilvaCraig MeyerDave BorgesDavid CloningerDick VitaleDoug HallerElton AlexanderGary D'AmatoJerry CarinoJesse NewellJoe JulianoJoe RexrodeJoey KnightJohn BohnenkampJohn FeinsteinJohn McNamaraJon NyatawaJon WilnerJustin FergusonKevin BrockwayKevin LyttleKevin McNamaraLuke DeCockMarcus FullerMatt McCoyMatt VautourPaul KleeRichard CroomeScott GleesonScott ManschScott RicheySheldon MicklesTerry HutchensTerry TooheyTheo LawsonThuc Nhi NguyenTony ParksZach Osterman

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Chris MurrayJ.P. ButlerJason ButtJon RothsteinMark CooperSeth DavisTyson Alger

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David CobbGraham Couch



USA Today Coaches Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (22) 22-1 765
2 Virginia (8) 22-1 751
3 Purdue (1) 23-2 716
4 Michigan State 22-3 662
5 Xavier 21-3 649
6 Cincinnati 21-2 622
7 Texas Tech 19-4 549
8 Duke 19-4 494
9 Auburn 21-2 461
10 Kansas 18-5 451
11 Gonzaga 21-4 441
12 Saint Mary's 23-2 436
13 Arizona 19-5 351
14 Tennessee 17-5 348
15 Clemson 19-4 334
16 Ohio State 20-5 322
17 West Virginia 17-6 283
18 Oklahoma 16-6 255
19 Rhode Island 19-3 252
20 Michigan 19-6 168
21 Wichita State 17-5 163
22 North Carolina 17-7 150
23 Nevada 20-4 103
24 Kentucky 17-6 73
25 Miami 17-5 59

Others receiving votes: Creighton 45, Arizona State 42, Seton Hall 25, Middle Tennessee 15, NC State 13, Florida State 11, New Mexico State 10, Washington 10, Boise State 9, Florida 8, Butler 6, Lafayette 5, Houston 5, USC 3, Alabama 3, Louisville 2, Kansas State 2, Texas 2, Loyola-Chicago 1
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:02 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details and coaches poll to come.

How in the world is WVU still ranked?
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:02 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details and coaches poll to come.

How in the world is WVU still ranked?

They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:02 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details and coaches poll to come.

How in the world is WVU still ranked?

They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.

You probably voted for Kentucky too
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:17 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:02 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details and coaches poll to come.

How in the world is WVU still ranked?

They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.

You probably voted for Kentucky too

They have top 15 talent, that has played like a borderline top 25 team. Very up and down. Sometimes they can look really good.
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:02 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details and coaches poll to come.

How in the world is WVU still ranked?

They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.

Mark,

I agree with your views on rankings in a lot of aspects. So many people are knee jerk and don't want to take the entire picture into perspective. For some people it's just what you have done recently.
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:20 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:17 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:02 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details and coaches poll to come.

How in the world is WVU still ranked?

They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.

You probably voted for Kentucky too

They have top 15 talent, that has played like a borderline top 25 team. Very up and down. Sometimes they can look really good.

Who yhe hell should be ranked over UK and WVU right now? They both have some good wins and not really any bad losses. And good computer numbers. A lot of people only care about the flavor of the week.
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:24 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:20 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:17 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  How in the world is WVU still ranked?

They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.

You probably voted for Kentucky too

They have top 15 talent, that has played like a borderline top 25 team. Very up and down. Sometimes they can look really good.

Who yhe hell should be ranked over UK and WVU right now? They both have some good wins and not really any bad losses. And good computer numbers. A lot of people only care about the flavor of the week.

It's reasonable to rank plenty of teams ahead of both. UK in particularly has had a lot of down moments this year. WVU has plenty of flaws, but overall they've been really good. They are the only team to beat Virginia, they swept Kansas State, beat Missouri, beat Texas, Beat Baylor, Beat Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. They had a bad 6 game stretch against mostly very good basketball teams. All these big 12 teams are good...no need to overreact when a team loses a few games.
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:24 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:20 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:17 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  They are still 7 in Sagarin and 15 in kenpom. They are still really good. The Big 12 is just a really deep league where you play poorly for a few games you can lose quickly. I have no issue with WVU being ranked.

You probably voted for Kentucky too

They have top 15 talent, that has played like a borderline top 25 team. Very up and down. Sometimes they can look really good.

Who yhe hell should be ranked over UK and WVU right now? They both have some good wins and not really any bad losses. And good computer numbers. A lot of people only care about the flavor of the week.

It's reasonable to rank plenty of teams ahead of both. UK in particularly has had a lot of down moments this year. WVU has plenty of flaws, but overall they've been really good. They are the only team to beat Virginia, they swept Kansas State, beat Missouri, beat Texas, Beat Baylor, Beat Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. They had a bad 6 game stretch against mostly very good basketball teams. All these big 12 teams are good...no need to overreact when a team loses a few games.

Let me rephrase that. I mean who that isn't currently ranked? Obviously there are teams ahead of them that are better. Both teams have definately been slipping, but their overall body of work is still probably top 25 right now. That doesn't mean they are top 25 teams. Both teams are very unpredictable how they will look from week to week.
 
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The only common opponent for UC and West Virginia is UCF.

The Bearcats beat UCF 49-38.
The Mountaineers beat UCF 83-45.

I have no problem with West Virginia being ranked. In fact, if we played them on a neutral court, would we be favored to win by the oddsmakers? Maybe, maybe not. And we're ranked #6.
 
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I’m not saying WVU isn’t good, but how many teams stay ranked after losing 5 of 7?
 
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(02-05-2018 12:39 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  I’m not saying WVU isn’t good, but how many teams stay ranked after losing 5 of 7?

It all depends on where you start in the rankings...who you lose to and who you beat. The Iowa State loss was a dreadful loss (not because Iowa State is bad, they are about UCF level), but because they got smoked. All the other losses were to top 30 kenpom teams and they sprinkled in wins against two other good teams. I'm impressed that the pollsters didn't overreact to recency bias which tends to be a huge thing pollsters do.
 
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(02-05-2018 12:39 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  I’m not saying WVU isn’t good, but how many teams stay ranked after losing 5 of 7?

It helps that you destroy Kansas State two days before the rankings come out.

Assuming most sportswriters waited until some point Sunday to submit their ballots, that WVU beat-down was the last, lingering taste on their palate.
 
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RE: College Basketball Top 25 Rankings 02/05/18 - UC #6 AP
(02-05-2018 12:36 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The only common opponent for UC and West Virginia is UCF.

The Bearcats beat UCF 49-38.
The Mountaineers beat UCF 83-45.

I have no problem with West Virginia being ranked. In fact, if we played them on a neutral court, would we be favored to win by the oddsmakers? Maybe, maybe not. And we're ranked #6.

Honestly UCF is such a bad team to compare results with anyway this year, their best guard and probably best player was out 16 games this season including WV, he played but was rusty against UC, but he gives UCF another ball handler. But UCF had only one game all year that both Tacko Fall and BJ Taylor played; and that was against UC.

We played at UCF... WV played neutral
 
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Common opponents are a bad way to compare teams anyways. Teams matchup different with different teams... any team can have a good or bad night depending on a variety of circumstances. Small sample sizes make for bad comparisons.
 
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Oh, and I'm glad I was wrong on the other thread and that we're ranked #6 ahead of Duke.

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(02-05-2018 12:39 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  I’m not saying WVU isn’t good, but how many teams stay ranked after losing 5 of 7?

It's not that unusual in strong conferences, where the wins and losses are mostly to other ranked teams. That kind of thing used to happen all the time in the old BE.
 
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LOL...West Virginia loses yet again this week to yet another unranked team but drubs an unranked team at home in K-State over the weekend and they are still in the top 20. They have lost 5 of 7 and have looked absolutely dreadful the past 2+ weeks and seemingly can do no wrong to lose their Top 20 ranking.

FWIW for anyone who hated UC's dreadful OOC schedule....as of today it is rated #139 while WVU's is rated #197.
 
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Impressive that UC is #6. Great job by the Bearcats coaches and players! Let's keep it going.
 
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(02-05-2018 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  LOL...West Virginia loses yet again this week to yet another unranked team but drubs an unranked team at home in K-State over the weekend and they are still in the top 20. They have lost 5 of 7 and have looked absolutely dreadful the past 2+ weeks and seemingly can do no wrong to lose their Top 20 ranking.

Using your standard of metrics, if we lose to UCF this week, then we should basically be out of the top 25? Since all that seems to matter is how you have looked the past week or 2? Why even play games in November/December. Good thing the pollsters aren't all as A.D.D. as some of the fans.
 
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