John Wooden's corpse could probably recruit about as well as Tubby and staff have thus far for 2018.

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:04 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Search firm gave us Justin Fuente and Mike Norvell. Powers at be gave us Josh Pastner and Tubby Smith. Our brand is so in the dumps that we can't get a wow hire so we need to go with the search firm.

Per Parrish and Jason Smith, they used the same search firm for basketball that they used for both football hires. The problem was the national coach of the year award that DeCourcey gave him. That put him at the top of the list and Rudd was sold.

Well, I guess their forte is football coaches, because they screwed the pooch on this one. But if it’s true about the bogus coach of the year award driving the decision into the ditch, our leadership and boosters are gullible.

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

Exactly. Screw the National media. They have no idea what the heck is going on here. And if they hire Penny it absolutely doesn’t matter what media types have to say. Penny wouldn’t be influenced one bit by what the media around the country says or thinks. And in the end, do we have to please people who don’t care about our program? Heck no.

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

Agreed. Screw the media or anyone else who looks down on us. Just win.

A lot of our fans worry about the media looking down on us as a "rogue program". And that's why they don't want us to hire someone like Scott Drew, Pearl or Forbes.

Folks, they will ALWAYS look down on us and think the only reason we win is because we are a "rogue program"

There is no use chasing their acceptance, because we will never get it.

Just win....and win big. That is the only way to crash their party.

Look at Louisville. They did whatever the hell it took.

They now play conference games with Duke, UNC, Florida St, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech, etc

Stop caring what these northeastern P5 dbags think

The only answer is WINNING

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

National Media will shape perception outside of Memphis...

The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

(02-05-2018 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

National Media will shape perception outside of Memphis...

The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

Winning and losing will ultimately shape the perception of Memphis... It really is that simple. If we fire Tubby and make a bad hire then the media will relentlessly beat up on us. If we fire Tubby and are in a Sweet 16 in three years then the media will not have much to say and recruiting will take care of itself. At the end of the day it is simply about winning or losing driving the narrative.

(02-05-2018 10:58 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

National Media will shape perception outside of Memphis...

The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

Winning and losing will ultimately shape the perception of Memphis... It really is that simple. If we fire Tubby and make a bad hire then the media will relentlessly beat up on us. If we fire Tubby and are in a Sweet 16 in three years then the media will not have much to say and recruiting will take care of itself. At the end of the day it is simply about winning or losing driving the narrative.

Exactly

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

No we won't and even if some don't think it's a good idea, who cares?

(02-05-2018 09:31 PM)fsquid Wrote:  It could have just been fine if we replaced with someone hungry after Pastner

(02-05-2018 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

National Media will shape perception outside of Memphis...

The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

A complete load of crap.

(02-05-2018 09:44 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  John Wooden's corpse could probably recruit about as well as Tubby and staff have thus far for 2018.

Well maybe Sam Gilberts

(02-05-2018 09:54 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:04 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Search firm gave us Justin Fuente and Mike Norvell. Powers at be gave us Josh Pastner and Tubby Smith. Our brand is so in the dumps that we can't get a wow hire so we need to go with the search firm.

Per Parrish and Jason Smith, they used the same search firm for basketball that they used for both football hires. The problem was the national coach of the year award that DeCourcey gave him. That put him at the top of the list and Rudd was sold.

Well, I guess their forte is football coaches, because they screwed the pooch on this one. But if it’s true about the bogus coach of the year award driving the decision into the ditch, our leadership and boosters are gullible.

Mike DeCourcey is a Hall of Fame CBB writer and I respect his opinions; he is still very knowledgeable about Memphis situation. I do think he is at the age he has made some life long friendships with some Coaches (Tubby and Cal-odd combination) and tends to lose a little bit of objectivity about those guys. But he does does know know his CBB.

(02-06-2018 12:14 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:54 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:04 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Search firm gave us Justin Fuente and Mike Norvell. Powers at be gave us Josh Pastner and Tubby Smith. Our brand is so in the dumps that we can't get a wow hire so we need to go with the search firm.

Per Parrish and Jason Smith, they used the same search firm for basketball that they used for both football hires. The problem was the national coach of the year award that DeCourcey gave him. That put him at the top of the list and Rudd was sold.

Well, I guess their forte is football coaches, because they screwed the pooch on this one. But if it’s true about the bogus coach of the year award driving the decision into the ditch, our leadership and boosters are gullible.

Mike DeCourcey is a Hall of Fame CBB writer and I respect his opinions; he is still very knowledgeable about Memphis situation. I do think he is at the age he has made some life long friendships with some Coaches (Tubby and Cal-odd combination) and tends to lose a little bit of objectivity about those guys. But he does does know know his CBB.

Maybe bogus wasn't the right term to describe it - how about "complementary"? Kinda' like Oprah going "...you get a car, and you get a car...." I know DeCourcey is a good scribe, and came through Memphis on his way to his respected position, but that was before Bowen came to town, and if the boosters slobbered all over themselves because of his endorsement due to his history in town, then I guess in my opinion they didn't really do their due diligence in the overall screening.

(02-05-2018 10:58 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

National Media will shape perception outside of Memphis...

The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

Winning and losing will ultimately shape the perception of Memphis... It really is that simple. If we fire Tubby and make a bad hire then the media will relentlessly beat up on us. If we fire Tubby and are in a Sweet 16 in three years then the media will not have much to say and recruiting will take care of itself. At the end of the day it is simply about winning or losing driving the narrative.

Of course that is true...Winning cures all ills.

But it is the Chicken or the Egg question...

Do you need recruits from outside of Memphis to make the sweet 16?

(02-06-2018 12:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:58 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Tubby needs to be gone if he doesn't land anyone this year...

But we will be crucified by the media if we fire Tubby after this year because the media doesn't pay close enough attention.

Who cares about the national media's opinion on this situation.

National Media will shape perception outside of Memphis...

The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

Winning and losing will ultimately shape the perception of Memphis... It really is that simple. If we fire Tubby and make a bad hire then the media will relentlessly beat up on us. If we fire Tubby and are in a Sweet 16 in three years then the media will not have much to say and recruiting will take care of itself. At the end of the day it is simply about winning or losing driving the narrative.

Of course that is true...Winning cures all ills.

But it is the Chicken or the Egg question...

Do you need recruits from outside of Memphis to make the sweet 16?

Yes. You need some bigs. Memphis just don’t produce them anymore. The ones who have the height want to play stretch 4 and don’t like to mix it up. Few exceptions but not many.

We have made two bad coaching hires in a row for the first time. Three bad hires may be the death knell for our program as a high major.

(02-05-2018 10:11 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  Agreed. Screw the media or anyone else who looks down on us. Just win.

A lot of our fans worry about the media looking down on us as a "rogue program". And that's why they don't want us to hire someone like Scott Drew, Pearl or Forbes.

Folks, they will ALWAYS look down on us and think the only reason we win is because we are a "rogue program"

There is no use chasing their acceptance, because we will never get it.

Just win....and win big. That is the only way to crash their party.

Look at Louisville. They did whatever the hell it took.

They now play conference games with Duke, UNC, Florida St, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech, etc

Stop caring what these northeastern P5 dbags think

The only answer is WINNING

This dude gets it. Just win, no matter what it takes.

(02-05-2018 10:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  The worst we look outside of Memphis the harder it is to recruit outside of Memphis.

well, right now, we cant recruit inside Memphis.

I know you folks don't want to hear it but Tubby will not get fired at Memphis while winning 18-20 games. You can keep complaining in new threads over & over but it just won't happen with Tubby being a perceived HOF coach. His contract may not be renewed if this is all he can do but won't be fired.

(02-06-2018 01:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I know you folks don't want to hear it but Tubby will not get fired at Memphis while winning 18-20 games. You can keep complaining in new threads over & over but it just won't happen with Tubby being a perceived HOF coach. His contract may not be renewed if this is all he can do but won't be fired.

THANK YOU so much for posting this. You are always so wrong and so out of touch with reality that now we can officially book it that Tubby won't be our coach next season.

Without a word of a lie, you have made my day. THANK YOU AGAIN!

(02-06-2018 01:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I know you folks don't want to hear it but Tubby will not get fired at Memphis while winning 18-20 games. You can keep complaining in new threads over & over but it just won't happen with Tubby being a perceived HOF coach. His contract may not be renewed if this is all he can do but won't be fired.

You are not getting it. It will not be a firing. Tubby will say he has spent too much of his time away from his family and he would like to do something different in his twilight years or something to that effect. Only question is if AD/boosters grasp the concept that only 1,200 new (or those who dropped and come back) season tickets holders pay the bill for the hiring and everyone breaks even.

For those who say the boosters will be out of pocket, let those boosters who have large future pledges now handle it. If they kick in $1M towards buyout, they reduce that pledge $1M. When revenue starts streaming in again, everyone gets back to where it was pre Tubby.