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(02-06-2018 01:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(02-06-2018 01:00 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Not in the case of Louisiana-Lafayette. They're interchangeable with Monroe.

Even if we didn't know about the hyphen, they'd look like Ohio compared to Ohio State.

Like Nevada-Reno and Nevada-Las Vegas. One now goes by Nevada and the other UNLV. Louisiana Monroe has branded itself ULM. Louisiana Lafayette is branded Louisiana. Every school has a right to brand itself. Most schools do not use their official names anyway. Virginia Tech is the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Georgia Tech is the Georgia Institute of Technology. Fresno State is Cal State - Fresno. LSU is the Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College (LSU A&M). Nebraska is Nebraska - Lincoln. Wisconsin is Wisconsin - Madison. North Carolina is North Carolina - Chapel Hill. Texas is Texas at Austin. Charlotte is UNC-Charlotte. Milwaukee is UW-Milwaukee.

And, yes, we are like Ohio and Ohio State. Louisiana and Louisiana State. We are not trying to surpass LSU, just carve our own niche. Like Ohio and Ohio State, there is no problem in our coexisting. As someone else pointed out, Texas State' has no impact on Texas or Texas A&M. Why is so much made with our branding ourselves as Louisiana? The Sun Belt Conference recognizes us as Louisiana and ULM. ESPN and the other networks are now on board with Louisiana. Louisiana is now here to stay. May as well get on board with it.

You can brand yourself as whatever you want, you can only change perception so much because of it. But I do think it's totally screwed up LSU won't let you take advantage of there being no Louisiana being used as an official school name.

I think the real opposition is coming from Ruston, Monroe and other places besides Baton Rouge.

ULL is a peer in the University of Louisiana system, along side and with SE Louisiana, McNeese State, UNO, the University of Louisiana at Monroe, Nicholls State, Northeastern State, etc. No more....no less.

Wrong again, as usual. UL, UNO and Louisiana Tech are offically recognized by the State of Louisiana as Statewide Universities. The rest are regional colleges. LSU, of course, is the Supreme Flagship. All the schools you named are part of the UL System, but they are not all equal.
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(02-04-2018 01:26 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Georgia state is the answer. To much talent surrounding them not to be. The AAC should offer a expansion invite.
New Convocation Center was just announced.

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(02-03-2018 11:51 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Going through the last few years there are programs in many sports that have become major forces around the country.

Gonzaga was a little known WCC school until they started making their NCAA runs, now everybody knows them. Wichita State had made 1 NCAA tournament in 24 years prior to Gregg Marshall becoming coach there. In football we all know UCF and Houston have awoken in the past few years.

There are other programs though which could be huge if they have success at the right times.

Charlotte- Basically a dead program now with no football success to speak of and the basketball team having won 5 games all year and firing their coach in early December this year. Get the right basketball or football coach though and Charlotte could gain a lot more popular. Top 25 metro area, dedicated fan base, decent conference to do well in. CHARLOTTE HASN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING IN 10 YEARS IN ANY MAJOR SPORT. THEY FINALLY GOT RID OF THEIR VERY UNPOPULAR AD, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE REBUILDING JOB IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY'RE ALSO IN A VERY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR FOOTBALL (NFL TOWN AND LOTS OF REGIONAL COMPETITION) AND BASKETBALL (NBA, REGIONAL COMPETITION AND DAVIDSON). YES, THEY COULD RISE, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

Georgia State- They are definitely gaining a lot of popularity, especially over the past few years. The new football stadium at Turner Field will give them an edge in recruiting, but they also need a new basketball arena to cash in on the success they’ve had recently (especially the upset over Baylor). Can recruit anybody from metro Atlanta. AFTER MAKING EVERY BAD MOVE IMAGINABLE FOR A MOVE UP (RISKY OLD MAN COACH, MOVING UP BEFORE THEY WERE READY, ETC.), THEY'VE MADE SOME GOOD MOVES RECENTLY. ATTENDANCE REMAINS A BIG PROBLEM THERE. THE FACT THAT THEY'LL ALWAYS BE BELOW A LOCAL TEAM (TECH) AND A SEMI-LOCAL TEAM (GEORGIA), PLUS THE IMPACT OF THE NFL IS A PROBLEM. YES, THEY'VE FIXED THEIR FOOTBALL CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. BUT THAT BASICALLY ONLY GETS THEM TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN EXPECT TO GET 10K REAL BUTTS IN THE STANDS. LAST YEAR WAS A GOOD YEAR FOR THEM, BUT EVERY TEAM THEY BEAT HAD A LOSING RECORD AND THEY LOST TO A FCS. YES, THERE'S PROGRESS, BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY.

Seattle- Most people think Grand Canyon is the sleeping giant in the west, but Seattle is another. Formerly made it all the way to the NCAA finals in 1958 (lost to UK), but dropped to NAIA in 1980, then moved back to D1 a few years back. Western Washington version of Gonzaga, but has more resources than Gonzaga had prior to 1999. A couple NCAA years and that program could grow quick. LETS SEE IF THEY CAN GET TO THE NCAAS AND WIN A GAME OR TWO BEFORE WE START RUNNING AWAY WITH OURSELVES.

What are your thoughts of programs that are sleeping giants?

My comments in BOLD

While its not particularly satisfying, programs on the rise usually rise slowly, rather than quickly. Attendance builds over years. Recruiting networks build up over years. Sure, there are teams that can have a good season or so (see Eastern Michigan in 2016, or Tulane in 1998) and then cannot sustain it.

Here are the teams that appear to be on the watch list for making a move towards sustainable improvement

Georgia State - But they started out so far in the hole that it will take years. There's also a question if GaSt can really capture more than a small slice of the very competitive Atlanta sports market. Growth is likely to be slow.

UAB - See Georgia State

Arkansas State - All the pieces are there, all they need to do is to win some OOC games.

SDSU - Lets see if they can leverage top dog status in San Diego into greater prominence

If Georgia State concentrates on getting a good slice of the state of Georgia along with a small slice of the Atlanta market, I think the Panthers could do well. The key is not limiting themselves to the Atlanta market. Act like a state-wide interest program.
Naw, Atlanta is the answer. Leave the Metropolitan Area and it's Dawgs Country. But it's a city of 6.5 million with a lot of people with no allegiance.

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(02-04-2018 01:23 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  One thing not mentioned here:

Enrollment numbers

Liberty 110,000 (assuming this includes online, but means $$$)

Grand Canyon 71,000

UCF 69,000

FIU 60,000

Given time each of these has a chance.
Only the last two mentioned have a majority of that on campus. Online students don't care about athletics at a school they only attend virtually.

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(02-04-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 01:23 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  One thing not mentioned here:

Enrollment numbers

Liberty 110,000 (assuming this includes online, but means $$$)

Grand Canyon 71,000

UCF 69,000

FIU 60,000

Given time each of these has a chance.

Liberty's on campus enrollment....15,000 students.
Grand Canyon Education, Incorporated's on campus enrollment...19,500 of which many are non-traditional

Liberty is not going to be the next Notre Dame. They're not going to be the next BYU either. They're just going to spend 400 million bucks in 10 years to be a sub-Sun Belt level program. They're not getting in a conference. They're not going to have a bowl agreement. They also have a bad football coach that doesn't appear to be retained based upon wins and losses. BYU, which 'won' a friggin' national championship has significant problems staying relevant as an indy. And they, like LU, supposedly claim the loyalty of a large national fanbase (but BYU actually retains some of that claimed support). Liberty will face the same problems. Heck, a couple of bowls collapse and LU might be in a position where even if they cobble together 7 or so wins, that they'll end up staying home. Its instructive that conferences from the Southern Conference, to the Colonial, to the Sun Belt have zero interest in adding them. And what happens if in 2021 or so, there's a change in the student loan program that cuts off access to the loan program in the case of higher than average defaults in distance learning programs by major or study field? Or the NCAA introduces a non-discrimination policy? Sure, lightning could strike. But they'll always have to spend (a LOT) more for less. Not sure that it is really going to work out in the long run.

Grand Canyon Education, Incorporated is stuck in the worst D1 conference for a reason. Their basketball is actually credible at a lower mid-major level. But scheduling is a problem. Terrible scheduling = very bad opportunities to get a NCAA bid. And the WAC could end up falling apart and GCEI could end up with no access to the NCAA dance. And watch out for stricter default rate scrutiny on long distance learning too.

Sure,

UCF and FIU...yep, those have a shot. UCF much more so than FIU. The problem with FIU is that they have a greater non-traditional enrollment and they have a large student population that doesn't come from a football heritage. And then there's the Dolphins and Da U.
"UCF and FIU...yep, those have a shot. UCF much more so than FIU. The problem with FIU is that they have a greater non-traditional enrollment and they have a large student population that doesn't come from a football heritage. And then there's the Dolphins and Da U."

Ummmm...no. Miami is football crazy. It just happens to be HS, Hurricanes, Dolphins and Gators.

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(02-06-2018 09:56 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I always enjoy seeing people from Alabama or Mississippi or Kansas, etc. get bent out of shape about alleged violations of obscure Louisiana college naming rules and conventions. Or see them take principled stands to insist on respect for ULM, a school that many of them have probably suggested should go to FCS at some point.

People enjoy goading the Cajuns. Goading Nevada-Reno is not nearly as entertaining.

But it gets old and not that funny after a few years.

I call them Louisiana just because it sounds better when I tell my UGA friends that we're playing Louisiana at home.

But to their face, I'll call them Oo La-La or Laffy just to keep them in their place.
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(02-06-2018 11:30 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 11:09 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 11:51 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Going through the last few years there are programs in many sports that have become major forces around the country.

Gonzaga was a little known WCC school until they started making their NCAA runs, now everybody knows them. Wichita State had made 1 NCAA tournament in 24 years prior to Gregg Marshall becoming coach there. In football we all know UCF and Houston have awoken in the past few years.

There are other programs though which could be huge if they have success at the right times.

Charlotte- Basically a dead program now with no football success to speak of and the basketball team having won 5 games all year and firing their coach in early December this year. Get the right basketball or football coach though and Charlotte could gain a lot more popular. Top 25 metro area, dedicated fan base, decent conference to do well in. CHARLOTTE HASN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING IN 10 YEARS IN ANY MAJOR SPORT. THEY FINALLY GOT RID OF THEIR VERY UNPOPULAR AD, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE REBUILDING JOB IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY'RE ALSO IN A VERY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR FOOTBALL (NFL TOWN AND LOTS OF REGIONAL COMPETITION) AND BASKETBALL (NBA, REGIONAL COMPETITION AND DAVIDSON). YES, THEY COULD RISE, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

Georgia State- They are definitely gaining a lot of popularity, especially over the past few years. The new football stadium at Turner Field will give them an edge in recruiting, but they also need a new basketball arena to cash in on the success they’ve had recently (especially the upset over Baylor). Can recruit anybody from metro Atlanta. AFTER MAKING EVERY BAD MOVE IMAGINABLE FOR A MOVE UP (RISKY OLD MAN COACH, MOVING UP BEFORE THEY WERE READY, ETC.), THEY'VE MADE SOME GOOD MOVES RECENTLY. ATTENDANCE REMAINS A BIG PROBLEM THERE. THE FACT THAT THEY'LL ALWAYS BE BELOW A LOCAL TEAM (TECH) AND A SEMI-LOCAL TEAM (GEORGIA), PLUS THE IMPACT OF THE NFL IS A PROBLEM. YES, THEY'VE FIXED THEIR FOOTBALL CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. BUT THAT BASICALLY ONLY GETS THEM TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN EXPECT TO GET 10K REAL BUTTS IN THE STANDS. LAST YEAR WAS A GOOD YEAR FOR THEM, BUT EVERY TEAM THEY BEAT HAD A LOSING RECORD AND THEY LOST TO A FCS. YES, THERE'S PROGRESS, BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY.

Seattle- Most people think Grand Canyon is the sleeping giant in the west, but Seattle is another. Formerly made it all the way to the NCAA finals in 1958 (lost to UK), but dropped to NAIA in 1980, then moved back to D1 a few years back. Western Washington version of Gonzaga, but has more resources than Gonzaga had prior to 1999. A couple NCAA years and that program could grow quick. LETS SEE IF THEY CAN GET TO THE NCAAS AND WIN A GAME OR TWO BEFORE WE START RUNNING AWAY WITH OURSELVES.

What are your thoughts of programs that are sleeping giants?

My comments in BOLD

While its not particularly satisfying, programs on the rise usually rise slowly, rather than quickly. Attendance builds over years. Recruiting networks build up over years. Sure, there are teams that can have a good season or so (see Eastern Michigan in 2016, or Tulane in 1998) and then cannot sustain it.

Here are the teams that appear to be on the watch list for making a move towards sustainable improvement

Georgia State - But they started out so far in the hole that it will take years. There's also a question if GaSt can really capture more than a small slice of the very competitive Atlanta sports market. Growth is likely to be slow.

UAB - See Georgia State

Arkansas State - All the pieces are there, all they need to do is to win some OOC games.

SDSU - Lets see if they can leverage top dog status in San Diego into greater prominence

If Georgia State concentrates on getting a good slice of the state of Georgia along with a small slice of the Atlanta market, I think the Panthers could do well. The key is not limiting themselves to the Atlanta market. Act like a state-wide interest program.
Naw, Atlanta is the answer. Leave the Metropolitan Area and it's Dawgs Country. But it's a city of 6.5 million with a lot of people with no allegiance.

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If Georgia State was the University of North Georgia, I could see that. But Georgia State is Georgia State. You cannot afford to have a limited mindset and expect greatness. At some point, Georgia State needs to challenge UGA, and keep in mind, I’m talking to you as a Dawg. Even North Avenue Trade School (aka Georgia Tech) has fanbases in Columbus & Savannah, aka Dawg Country as you call it. Georgia State needs to play games in Columbus & Jacksonville, FL. That’s how you get statewide attention. If you don’t aim for greatness, you will never be great!!! Bullet, you were right, I was wrong. If all Georgia State fans have limited themselves to Atlanta, they have no business being given an ag school & land grant status.
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(02-06-2018 11:30 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 11:09 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 11:51 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Going through the last few years there are programs in many sports that have become major forces around the country.

Gonzaga was a little known WCC school until they started making their NCAA runs, now everybody knows them. Wichita State had made 1 NCAA tournament in 24 years prior to Gregg Marshall becoming coach there. In football we all know UCF and Houston have awoken in the past few years.

There are other programs though which could be huge if they have success at the right times.

Charlotte- Basically a dead program now with no football success to speak of and the basketball team having won 5 games all year and firing their coach in early December this year. Get the right basketball or football coach though and Charlotte could gain a lot more popular. Top 25 metro area, dedicated fan base, decent conference to do well in. CHARLOTTE HASN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING IN 10 YEARS IN ANY MAJOR SPORT. THEY FINALLY GOT RID OF THEIR VERY UNPOPULAR AD, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE REBUILDING JOB IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY'RE ALSO IN A VERY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR FOOTBALL (NFL TOWN AND LOTS OF REGIONAL COMPETITION) AND BASKETBALL (NBA, REGIONAL COMPETITION AND DAVIDSON). YES, THEY COULD RISE, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

Georgia State- They are definitely gaining a lot of popularity, especially over the past few years. The new football stadium at Turner Field will give them an edge in recruiting, but they also need a new basketball arena to cash in on the success they’ve had recently (especially the upset over Baylor). Can recruit anybody from metro Atlanta. AFTER MAKING EVERY BAD MOVE IMAGINABLE FOR A MOVE UP (RISKY OLD MAN COACH, MOVING UP BEFORE THEY WERE READY, ETC.), THEY'VE MADE SOME GOOD MOVES RECENTLY. ATTENDANCE REMAINS A BIG PROBLEM THERE. THE FACT THAT THEY'LL ALWAYS BE BELOW A LOCAL TEAM (TECH) AND A SEMI-LOCAL TEAM (GEORGIA), PLUS THE IMPACT OF THE NFL IS A PROBLEM. YES, THEY'VE FIXED THEIR FOOTBALL CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. BUT THAT BASICALLY ONLY GETS THEM TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN EXPECT TO GET 10K REAL BUTTS IN THE STANDS. LAST YEAR WAS A GOOD YEAR FOR THEM, BUT EVERY TEAM THEY BEAT HAD A LOSING RECORD AND THEY LOST TO A FCS. YES, THERE'S PROGRESS, BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY.

Seattle- Most people think Grand Canyon is the sleeping giant in the west, but Seattle is another. Formerly made it all the way to the NCAA finals in 1958 (lost to UK), but dropped to NAIA in 1980, then moved back to D1 a few years back. Western Washington version of Gonzaga, but has more resources than Gonzaga had prior to 1999. A couple NCAA years and that program could grow quick. LETS SEE IF THEY CAN GET TO THE NCAAS AND WIN A GAME OR TWO BEFORE WE START RUNNING AWAY WITH OURSELVES.

What are your thoughts of programs that are sleeping giants?

My comments in BOLD

While its not particularly satisfying, programs on the rise usually rise slowly, rather than quickly. Attendance builds over years. Recruiting networks build up over years. Sure, there are teams that can have a good season or so (see Eastern Michigan in 2016, or Tulane in 1998) and then cannot sustain it.

Here are the teams that appear to be on the watch list for making a move towards sustainable improvement

Georgia State - But they started out so far in the hole that it will take years. There's also a question if GaSt can really capture more than a small slice of the very competitive Atlanta sports market. Growth is likely to be slow.

UAB - See Georgia State

Arkansas State - All the pieces are there, all they need to do is to win some OOC games.

SDSU - Lets see if they can leverage top dog status in San Diego into greater prominence

If Georgia State concentrates on getting a good slice of the state of Georgia along with a small slice of the Atlanta market, I think the Panthers could do well. The key is not limiting themselves to the Atlanta market. Act like a state-wide interest program.
Naw, Atlanta is the answer. Leave the Metropolitan Area and it's Dawgs Country. But it's a city of 6.5 million with a lot of people with no allegiance.

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Being in a pro sports town is a big drag on pulling yourself up. As for Georgia St., they are walking distance from Georgia Tech. They have almost no chance of being more than a UAB or Southern Miss for the forseeable future. And Atlanta has lots of people with allegiance. Most UGA. Many GT. Quite a few Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, etc.
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(02-07-2018 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 11:30 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 11:09 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 11:51 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Going through the last few years there are programs in many sports that have become major forces around the country.

Gonzaga was a little known WCC school until they started making their NCAA runs, now everybody knows them. Wichita State had made 1 NCAA tournament in 24 years prior to Gregg Marshall becoming coach there. In football we all know UCF and Houston have awoken in the past few years.

There are other programs though which could be huge if they have success at the right times.

Charlotte- Basically a dead program now with no football success to speak of and the basketball team having won 5 games all year and firing their coach in early December this year. Get the right basketball or football coach though and Charlotte could gain a lot more popular. Top 25 metro area, dedicated fan base, decent conference to do well in. CHARLOTTE HASN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING IN 10 YEARS IN ANY MAJOR SPORT. THEY FINALLY GOT RID OF THEIR VERY UNPOPULAR AD, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE REBUILDING JOB IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY'RE ALSO IN A VERY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR FOOTBALL (NFL TOWN AND LOTS OF REGIONAL COMPETITION) AND BASKETBALL (NBA, REGIONAL COMPETITION AND DAVIDSON). YES, THEY COULD RISE, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

Georgia State- They are definitely gaining a lot of popularity, especially over the past few years. The new football stadium at Turner Field will give them an edge in recruiting, but they also need a new basketball arena to cash in on the success they’ve had recently (especially the upset over Baylor). Can recruit anybody from metro Atlanta. AFTER MAKING EVERY BAD MOVE IMAGINABLE FOR A MOVE UP (RISKY OLD MAN COACH, MOVING UP BEFORE THEY WERE READY, ETC.), THEY'VE MADE SOME GOOD MOVES RECENTLY. ATTENDANCE REMAINS A BIG PROBLEM THERE. THE FACT THAT THEY'LL ALWAYS BE BELOW A LOCAL TEAM (TECH) AND A SEMI-LOCAL TEAM (GEORGIA), PLUS THE IMPACT OF THE NFL IS A PROBLEM. YES, THEY'VE FIXED THEIR FOOTBALL CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. BUT THAT BASICALLY ONLY GETS THEM TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN EXPECT TO GET 10K REAL BUTTS IN THE STANDS. LAST YEAR WAS A GOOD YEAR FOR THEM, BUT EVERY TEAM THEY BEAT HAD A LOSING RECORD AND THEY LOST TO A FCS. YES, THERE'S PROGRESS, BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY.

Seattle- Most people think Grand Canyon is the sleeping giant in the west, but Seattle is another. Formerly made it all the way to the NCAA finals in 1958 (lost to UK), but dropped to NAIA in 1980, then moved back to D1 a few years back. Western Washington version of Gonzaga, but has more resources than Gonzaga had prior to 1999. A couple NCAA years and that program could grow quick. LETS SEE IF THEY CAN GET TO THE NCAAS AND WIN A GAME OR TWO BEFORE WE START RUNNING AWAY WITH OURSELVES.

What are your thoughts of programs that are sleeping giants?

My comments in BOLD

While its not particularly satisfying, programs on the rise usually rise slowly, rather than quickly. Attendance builds over years. Recruiting networks build up over years. Sure, there are teams that can have a good season or so (see Eastern Michigan in 2016, or Tulane in 1998) and then cannot sustain it.

Here are the teams that appear to be on the watch list for making a move towards sustainable improvement

Georgia State - But they started out so far in the hole that it will take years. There's also a question if GaSt can really capture more than a small slice of the very competitive Atlanta sports market. Growth is likely to be slow.

UAB - See Georgia State

Arkansas State - All the pieces are there, all they need to do is to win some OOC games.

SDSU - Lets see if they can leverage top dog status in San Diego into greater prominence

If Georgia State concentrates on getting a good slice of the state of Georgia along with a small slice of the Atlanta market, I think the Panthers could do well. The key is not limiting themselves to the Atlanta market. Act like a state-wide interest program.
Naw, Atlanta is the answer. Leave the Metropolitan Area and it's Dawgs Country. But it's a city of 6.5 million with a lot of people with no allegiance.

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Being in a pro sports town is a big drag on pulling yourself up. As for Georgia St., they are walking distance from Georgia Tech. They have almost no chance of being more than a UAB or Southern Miss for the forseeable future. And Atlanta has lots of people with allegiance. Most UGA. Many GT. Quite a few Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, etc.

Agreed!!
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Doesn't Texas qualify as a sleeping giant? 7 wins or fewer, four years and counting. Despite good recruiting classes, hasn't had double digit wins or a big bowl game in almost a decade. If Herman can win some games, Longhorn Nation seems ready to explode.
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(02-06-2018 08:37 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
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(02-06-2018 12:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
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(02-06-2018 01:00 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Not in the case of Louisiana-Lafayette. They're interchangeable with Monroe.

Even if we didn't know about the hyphen, they'd look like Ohio compared to Ohio State.

Like Nevada-Reno and Nevada-Las Vegas. One now goes by Nevada and the other UNLV. Louisiana Monroe has branded itself ULM. Louisiana Lafayette is branded Louisiana. Every school has a right to brand itself. Most schools do not use their official names anyway. Virginia Tech is the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Georgia Tech is the Georgia Institute of Technology. Fresno State is Cal State - Fresno. LSU is the Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College (LSU A&M). Nebraska is Nebraska - Lincoln. Wisconsin is Wisconsin - Madison. North Carolina is North Carolina - Chapel Hill. Texas is Texas at Austin. Charlotte is UNC-Charlotte. Milwaukee is UW-Milwaukee.

And, yes, we are like Ohio and Ohio State. Louisiana and Louisiana State. We are not trying to surpass LSU, just carve our own niche. Like Ohio and Ohio State, there is no problem in our coexisting. As someone else pointed out, Texas State' has no impact on Texas or Texas A&M. Why is so much made with our branding ourselves as Louisiana? The Sun Belt Conference recognizes us as Louisiana and ULM. ESPN and the other networks are now on board with Louisiana. Louisiana is now here to stay. May as well get on board with it.

You can brand yourself as whatever you want, you can only change perception so much because of it. But I do think it's totally screwed up LSU won't let you take advantage of there being no Louisiana being used as an official school name.

I think the real opposition is coming from Ruston, Monroe and other places besides Baton Rouge.

ULL is a peer in the University of Louisiana system, along side and with SE Louisiana, McNeese State, UNO, the University of Louisiana at Monroe, Nicholls State, Northeastern State, etc. No more....no less.

Wrong again, as usual. UL, UNO and Louisiana Tech are offically recognized by the State of Louisiana as Statewide Universities. The rest are regional colleges. LSU, of course, is the Supreme Flagship. All the schools you named are part of the UL System, but they are not all equal.

Add to that, Louisiana is the 2nd largest school in the state at almost 20,000 (LA Tech and ULM combined are not a 20,000), its endowment is larger than all of the schools combined in the UL System, is a Top 377 Princeton Review university, is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research university, is one of the Top 10 fastest growing R&D universities in the US, is the only university in Louisiana designated a National Science Foundation Research Center, and UL has a Carnegie R2 ranking and very close to achieving R1 status (LSU & Tulane are R1) while LA Tech and ULM are R3 rated (LA Tech does have a USN&WR Tier 1 ranking). UL may never be designated as the flagship of the UL System (LSU is considered the only flagship school even though it does not sit over the UL System), but in many ways it is.
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