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(02-03-2018 05:26 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  This game is a punch in the belly. Lost all composure

Just like one our short-lived assistant coaches said 10 years ago, “we folded like a cheap suit!” Can someone please explain when there were 33 seconds left in the game why we did not foul immediately? We let BG run 10 seconds off the clock, they then call timout and immediately after the timeout then we foul. I have no idea what kind of strategy that is?
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Fallsdog,

Easy street café was very good! Thanks for the suggestion. Made the ride home a little less miserable.
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When you spend that much time fouling, you lose. The bonus put BG back in it before halftime. Then we have players come out of the locker room already in some trouble. I thought Buffalo played dirty last week. Maybe that double ejection had a lot to do with us. I hope we don't become that.
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(02-03-2018 09:16 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  Fallsdog,

Easy street café was very good! Thanks for the suggestion. Made the ride home a little less miserable.
Easy Street is good - so is the nearby Reverend's - good selection of beers but maybe a bit more expensive. As was noted before in we're basically a 0.500 team in a mediocre conference (like the game officials).
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Over the last few seasons I have realized that I need to find a middle ground for my expectations. Rather than go on a diatribe about what exactly that means I will just say this about yesterdays game.

*No excuse for blowing for a 19 point lead against a team with comprable talent. That falls on the coaching staff.

*Yesterday was a road loss, which makes the above a tad easier to swallow. Yes, it was a road game that Kent State "woulda, coulda, shoulda" and it may come back to bite to the Flashes, but still...road losses are what they are in most leagues.

*We can't forget that this is a young team with little to no depth. Sure, there are a few guys with high talent ceilings, but that isn't going to protect leads or close out games.

*The above makes me shake my head when it comes to the "big recruiting board." How in the world Kent State doesn't have a veteran or at least a 21 year old big man who can rebound and take some minutes from the youngsters in beyond me.

The above is basically a bad, spin, spin, bad sandwich.
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(02-04-2018 08:26 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  Over the last few seasons I have realized that I need to find a middle ground for my expectations. Rather than go on a diatribe about what exactly that means I will just say this about yesterdays game.

*No excuse for blowing for a 19 point lead against a team with comprable talent. That falls on the coaching staff.

*Yesterday was a road loss, which makes the above a tad easier to swallow. Yes, it was a road game that Kent State "woulda, coulda, shoulda" and it may come back to bite to the Flashes, but still...road losses are what they are in most leagues.

*We can't forget that this is a young team with little to no depth. Sure, there are a few guys with high talent ceilings, but that isn't going to protect leads or close out games.

*The above makes me shake my head when it comes to the "big recruiting board." How in the world Kent State doesn't have a veteran or at least a 21 year old big man who can rebound and take some minutes from the youngsters in beyond me.

The above is basically a bad, spin, spin, bad sandwich.

Those are all good/ valid points - but BG is a young team as well as is Miami - it just seems like every year we hear about the depth we're going to have and then somehow it doesn't happen. Toledo bolstered their big man issue by finding guys at Missouri and Colorado who basically at schools above where they could get tons of playing time.
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I actually believe the rotation has shrunk more than it should. I think Frederick is an adequate big that should be getting some minutes to take some of the load off the starters. To me, there are two things that qualify a post player to get on the court. 1) does he rebound and 2) does he defend. Frederick is 3rd on our team in pace adjusted rebounds and third on our team in defensive box score plus/minus. I think he's capable enough that he's worth keeping involved but at this point his minutes hinge entirely on foul trouble. I'm curious if he's slipped behind Nwankwo now too. Not sure if anyone noticed but Nwankwo got a really brief appearance in the first half yesterday. My concern is cutting both of them out of the rotation increases the chances of them leaving and we continue the carousel of a ton of new guys each year and a lot of growing pains getting it working. Big men more so than guards need to be developed over time.

As for overall depth, that took a big hit when Johnson turned out to be a non factor. His numbers his first two years indicate he should've been able to at least provide some scoring. They also indicate he isn't a very good defender. So ultimately that's my guess why he wasn't given a chance. If you're going to be a bench roll player you're expected to defend (just ask DeBerry). That coupled with the fact that two scholarships are going to guys redshirting means we don't have a lot of active guys. Anyone know by Bernstein wasn't dressed yesterday?
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On the topic of post players leaving... I just looked at how Raasean Davis is doing at NC Central. He's second on their team in scoring at 15.6 and first in rebounds at 7.5. But the real crazy stat, he's shooting 70% from the floor. Seems like the competition level is worse, but that's crazy.
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(02-04-2018 11:42 AM)anti-zip Wrote:  I actually believe the rotation has shrunk more than it should. I think Frederick is an adequate big that should be getting some minutes to take some of the load off the starters. To me, there are two things that qualify a post player to get on the court. 1) does he rebound and 2) does he defend. Frederick is 3rd on our team in pace adjusted rebounds and third on our team in defensive box score plus/minus. I think he's capable enough that he's worth keeping involved but at this point his minutes hinge entirely on foul trouble. I'm curious if he's slipped behind Nwankwo now too. Not sure if anyone noticed but Nwankwo got a really brief appearance in the first half yesterday. My concern is cutting both of them out of the rotation increases the chances of them leaving and we continue the carousel of a ton of new guys each year and a lot of growing pains getting it working. Big men more so than guards need to be developed over time.

As for overall depth, that took a big hit when Johnson turned out to be a non factor. His numbers his first two years indicate he should've been able to at least provide some scoring. They also indicate he isn't a very good defender. So ultimately that's my guess why he wasn't given a chance. If you're going to be a bench roll player you're expected to defend (just ask DeBerry). That coupled with the fact that two scholarships are going to guys redshirting means we don't have a lot of active guys. Anyone know by Bernstein wasn't dressed yesterday?

I did notice that Nwanko got in late in the first half yesterday. It was the perfect time to give him a few minutes. We were up by 13 points and just needed him to play a little defense in the post and rebound. Unfortunately, he looked lost to me. Too bad as this kid is big and strong!

I agree with you on playing Frederick. While he wasn’t great when I’ve seen him play so far this year he looked good at times. We can’t go on playing eight guys. Frederick is probably our best scoring option off the bench as well.

Have to report what I think was another embarrassing display of low class by Walker. At least twice after making a three he runs by the BG bench waving his arms and taunting them. He’s lucky he did not get a technical. I have no idea why Sendy puts up with this nonsense. It’s a total embarrassment to the team and our university.
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Old School- I agree on the Walker "antics"... disturbing how Sendy puts up with it..
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One of things I have learned over the years being a fan of a mid major basketball program is never to believe the hype surrounding recruits. Don't get me wrong, you can't expect coaches to bat a thousand, or even .700 when it comes to recruits. But when you read how athletic, how strong, what a "good get", how this kid brings a toughness or that kid brings freak athleticism....its all propaganda.

Davis is actually the missing piece right now IMO. The Flashes lost a good one there. To be fair, I am sure that the distance from home played a role.
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(02-04-2018 10:26 AM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  Toledo bolstered their big man issue by finding guys at Missouri and Colorado who basically at schools above where they could get tons of playing time.

That's a lot easier to do when you are throwing bags of cash and car keys recruits' way.
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(02-04-2018 12:46 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:26 AM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  Toledo bolstered their big man issue by finding guys at Missouri and Colorado who basically at schools above where they could get tons of playing time.

That's a lot easier to do when you are throwing bags of cash and car keys recruits' way.

Is this just a general feeling of yours or do you have any specific information about problems at UT?
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(02-04-2018 12:06 PM)BuckeyeFlyerFlash Wrote:  Old School- I agree on the Walker "antics"... disturbing how Sendy puts up with it..

I call this a coach selling his soul to the player. Christian did this with Gates in his senior year when Gates thought he had a NBA career if he could play guard. By the end of the year he was worn out for having the ball for 90 feet the entire game. I am more upset at Coach allowing Walker to turn the ball over time after time. He shoots much better squared up off the pass. Not a great ball handler.
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I think you guys are being alittle hard on Walker and Sendy here. Sendy did sit him down for a half this year then brought him off the bench after that, and he wasn't the first guy off the bench either. He absolutely wastes some possessions with poor shot selection but as a whole that seems to have been improving, particularly after the benching.

To steal a line from Erik Spolestra about Dion Waiters, Walker has "irrational confidence" and honestly that's what makes him great. He plays with an intensity that gives him his edge. If you take that fire and irrational confidence away he's probably just your average MAC level guard. Do I wish he would he would never fire up an NBA range 3 with 20 seconds on the shot clock and stop letting the other team know about it every time he makes a basket? Of course. But that's not who he is. He really does drive me crazy a lot, but I also feel that he's one of the most under appreciated players we've had. Keep in mind he's likely going to blow past our all time record for threes and he has a legit shot at the scoring record.
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(02-04-2018 03:57 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  I think you guys are being alittle hard on Walker and Sendy here. Sendy did sit him down for a half this year then brought him off the bench after that, and he wasn't the first guy off the bench either. He absolutely wastes some possessions with poor shot selection but as a whole that seems to have been improving, particularly after the benching.

To steal a line from Erik Spolestra about Dion Waiters, Walker has "irrational confidence" and honestly that's what makes him great. He plays with an intensity that gives him his edge. If you take that fire and irrational confidence away he's probably just your average MAC level guard. Do I wish he would he would never fire up an NBA range 3 with 20 seconds on the shot clock and stop letting the other team know about it every time he makes a basket? Of course. But that's not who he is. He really does drive me crazy a lot, but I also feel that he's one of the most under appreciated players we've had. Keep in mind he's likely going to blow past our all time record for threes and he has a legit shot at the scoring record.

I for one am talking 100% about Walker’s attitude and ridiculous actions and nothing about his game. He is an extremely talented player. I don’t think anyone questions that. This is not the kind of attitude that lends itself well to team building, trust and the like. This is college ball, not the NBA… I watch 3 to 4 college games a week and I never see this type of behavior.
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You never see his type of behavior? What exactly? Signaling the home crowd to be quiet after a big basket is ridiculously common and as far as I saw that's all he was really guilty of on Saturday. Against UB he was motioning to get the crowd fired up and telling people it was his house when we took the lead... Again super common. I've seen him say things to the opposing teams bench which I don't care for... But again I've seen that in a ton of games and it's nothing to bench a kid over. What exactly is he doing that no one else does?
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(02-04-2018 07:39 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  You never see his type of behavior? What exactly? Signaling the home crowd to be quiet after a big basket is ridiculously common and as far as I saw that's all he was really guilty of on Saturday. Against UB he was motioning to get the crowd fired up and telling people it was his house when we took the lead... Again super common. I've seen him say things to the opposing teams bench which I don't care for... But again I've seen that in a ton of games and it's nothing to bench a kid over. What exactly is he doing that no one else does?

I do not see other college players doing what you just described. I see idiot professional athletes do this (particularly NFL players) but not college men’s basketball players. Against Toledo, he stood and jawed with their bench for 4-5 seconds. Against Bowling Green Saturday, Walker was not merely placing his finger by his mouth in a “hush motion.” It was an all out taunting motion.

If you think that’s OK, then alright. In my experience of playing and watching the game, I do not see this type of behavior as part of most championship teams or of classy programs.

Guess I am just “old School”
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(02-04-2018 08:02 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 07:39 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  You never see his type of behavior? What exactly? Signaling the home crowd to be quiet after a big basket is ridiculously common and as far as I saw that's all he was really guilty of on Saturday. Against UB he was motioning to get the crowd fired up and telling people it was his house when we took the lead... Again super common. I've seen him say things to the opposing teams bench which I don't care for... But again I've seen that in a ton of games and it's nothing to bench a kid over. What exactly is he doing that no one else does?

I do not see other college players doing what you just described. I see idiot professional athletes do this (particularly NFL players) but not college men’s basketball players. Against Toledo, he stood and jawed with their bench for 4-5 seconds. Against Bowling Green Saturday, Walker was not merely placing his finger by his mouth in a “hush motion.” It was an all out taunting motion.

If you think that’s OK, then alright. In my experience of playing and watching the game, I do not see this type of behavior as part of most championship teams or of classy programs.

Guess I am just “old School”

If you aren't seeing this stuff in college BB, you are watching games with one eye ... Even the Duke's... Kentucky's and more have this stuff going on ... don't like it either ... but its happening in almost every game.

My problem with Walker AND THE TEAM ...is no consistency. When Kent is good they are very good ... but when they are bad .....
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Maybe the coaching staff should post this quote from Jim Brown (NFL GOAT). But I doubt it. This is so 20th century.

(Jim Brown) On elaborate TD celebrations and dances:

"It's an example of ignorance. Pure ignorance. There's no upside to it. It's self-serving ignorance. The bottom line is, any intelligent person realizes that until the game is over there's nothing to celebrate. ... So like I said, there's no upside. It's ignorance, and I don't even know how players can stoop to being so ignorant that they can hurt their team after something that's been successful. That is as bad as it gets. To me there's no other side of the story. There's no two sides of this story. It's a terrible, terrible lack of intelligence."

As for me, I agree, this is embarassing to the team, KSU, and its alumni. ADLR, DP, & BJD also need to keep their emotions in check.
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