(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:44 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 10:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I posted elsewhere, but this is a good place to repeat.

I'm using myself tonight, exactly what do I know to be true about this whole string of allegations going back and forth?

I know one thing to be true. I know that Comey recited a list of actions by Hillary that if I had done them, I would be doing 40 in Leavenworth, for crimes ranging from perjury to obstruction of justice to potentially treason, but he recommended that she not be prosecuted. That's it. That's all I know to be true. I don't know why he did that.

Everything else from both sides is nothing more than speculative allegation. So, do I believe the speculation that is consistent with what I know to be fact, or do I believe the speculation that is counter to what I know to be fact, or do I wait and see?

I choose to wait and see.

He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.

But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.

Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?

This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Here is the truth that Machiavelli denies.

The Democratic Party paid the Russians to try to influence the election. That is fact. They paid Steele knowing he was paying Russians to come up with stories on Trump.

Then they subverted the constitution by using the FBI to spy on the other party.

Both fit into the category of treason.

I am so glad to see an attorney with smarts on this site. Best of all most of the time he sees things like the Cons here. That's an added bonus. Thanks Owl.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/371...department

"...So it’s a fact that six senior leaders of the FBI or Justice Department have been either reassigned or fired based on facts that have come out largely from the work of this committee and of the inspector general of the Justice Department. Yet, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) is being branded almost as a lunatic. The hypocrisy here is not confined to newspaper editorial pages. We have seen a veritable news blockade on information coming out of these investigations on the front pages...."

I’m tired of this crying from certain people.

It’s time to grow up.

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:44 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 10:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I posted elsewhere, but this is a good place to repeat.

I'm using myself tonight, exactly what do I know to be true about this whole string of allegations going back and forth?

I know one thing to be true. I know that Comey recited a list of actions by Hillary that if I had done them, I would be doing 40 in Leavenworth, for crimes ranging from perjury to obstruction of justice to potentially treason, but he recommended that she not be prosecuted. That's it. That's all I know to be true. I don't know why he did that.

Everything else from both sides is nothing more than speculative allegation. So, do I believe the speculation that is consistent with what I know to be fact, or do I believe the speculation that is counter to what I know to be fact, or do I wait and see?

I choose to wait and see.

He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.

But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.

Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?

This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:44 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.

But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.

Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?

This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

He's our constitutionally elected president. Do you want to overthrow him because you morally object to him?

(02-02-2018 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.

Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?

This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

He's our constitutionally elected president. Do you want to overthrow him because you morally object to him?

I don't want him "overthrown" I'm not an anarchist or revolutionary. If he obstructed justice I want an unfettered investigation and if he's guilty, I want him impeached. If in fact he broke no law, I'll simply have to hold my nose for the next few years and pray to God the damage he does is reversible.

Constitutionally elected? yes, by a plurality? no.

(02-02-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

He's our constitutionally elected president. Do you want to overthrow him because you morally object to him?

I don't want him "overthrown" I'm not an anarchist or revolutionary. If he obstructed justice I want an unfettered investigation and if he's guilty, I want him impeached. If in fact he broke no law, I'll simply have to hold my nose for the next few years and pray to God the damage he does is reversible.

Constitutionally elected? yes, by a plurality? no.

Plurality doesn't count here buttercup

(02-02-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

He's our constitutionally elected president. Do you want to overthrow him because you morally object to him?

I don't want him "overthrown" I'm not an anarchist or revolutionary. If he obstructed justice I want an unfettered investigation and if he's guilty, I want him impeached. If in fact he broke no law, I'll simply have to hold my nose for the next few years and pray to God the damage he does is reversible.

Constitutionally elected? yes, by a plurality? no.

He was Constitutionally elected by a large majority, 304-227.
Anything else is just denying the Constitution.

There's no evidence he broke any law and all attempts to tie him to things look absolutely ridiculous.

If he did, sure. But the only ones who appear to have broken any laws are Hillary Clinton, Comey, Brennan, Rosenstein, McCabe, Yates and Strozk.

Do you want them prosecuted?

(02-02-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

He's our constitutionally elected president. Do you want to overthrow him because you morally object to him?

I don't want him "overthrown" I'm not an anarchist or revolutionary. If he obstructed justice I want an unfettered investigation and if he's guilty, I want him impeached. If in fact he broke no law, I'll simply have to hold my nose for the next few years and pray to God the damage he does is reversible.

Constitutionally elected? yes, by a plurality? no.

Uh, 7 years, he's gonna get himself reelected.

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:44 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.

But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.

Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?

This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

You never answered my question

So here's another one for you. Did you vote for Clinton both times? My guess you did and was not worried about all the stories about sexual abuse from the many women that came out. So why the concern now?

BTW I could careless if Trump is banging someone different each and every night. Sex or who's screwing whom is not a concern....

do your damn job as President and I'm OK. He could grab your sister's p***y and as long as shes OK with it. It wont bother me. More thing important than sex. I guess you felt that way about President Clinton since you voted for him...twice

(02-02-2018 08:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:51 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.

Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?

This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

You never answered my question

So here's another one for you. Did you vote for Clinton both times? My guess you did and was not worried about all the stories about sexual abuse from the many women that came out. So why the concern now?

BTW I could careless if Trump is banging someone different each and every night. Sex or who's screwing whom is not a concern....

do your damn job as President and I'm OK. He could grab your sister's p***y and as long as shes OK with it. It wont bother me. More thing important than sex. I guess you felt that way about President Clinton since you voted for him...twice

You sound like you are talking to yourself. You know, having an imaginary argument with me, because you've made numerous assumptions you can't know. This is how people rationalize what they want to believe. Assume facts not in evidence.
Since you seem to just as crude as Trump, I guess you are OK with him. Believe me, with your comments you have exposed yourself as exactly the kind of person who stands for much of what's wrong with many Trump supporters.
Stay classy!

(02-02-2018 08:22 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

You never answered my question

So here's another one for you. Did you vote for Clinton both times? My guess you did and was not worried about all the stories about sexual abuse from the many women that came out. So why the concern now?

BTW I could careless if Trump is banging someone different each and every night. Sex or who's screwing whom is not a concern....

do your damn job as President and I'm OK. He could grab your sister's p***y and as long as shes OK with it. It wont bother me. More thing important than sex. I guess you felt that way about President Clinton since you voted for him...twice

You sound like you are talking to yourself. You know, having an imaginary argument with me, because you've made numerous assumptions you can't know. This is how people rationalize what they want to believe. Assume facts not in evidence.
Since you seem to just as crude as Trump, I guess you are OK with him. Believe me, with your comments you have exposed yourself as exactly the kind of person who stands for much of what's wrong with many Trump supporters.
Stay classy!

Maybe you could answer one of his questions. Maybe.

(02-02-2018 08:22 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 08:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 11:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  This is not just about crimes. It's about moral fiber and character. I'm not at all defending Bill Clintons morals and I'm not defending Hillary's probably breaking the law. What I'm saying is neither of them are in the White House now, so what they did or did not do is of very little consequence. Trump is president now and his moral fiber is very relevant because it's happening right now. When he talks like a pig about grabbing genitals, alludes to wanting to have an affair with his daughter, has multiple women accusing him of sexual inappropriateness and probably has an affair with a porn star right after his wife gave birth, to me that's what is relevant. Accepting a person of such low character as president just because he might support some conservative goals ( see gets a mulligan) then some people have completely lost THEIR moral compass. It's all a huge disgrace.
Instead of Cons vs Libs, we should be united in a people of this country vs big business, lobbyists and crooked politicians.
When are we going to come together to insist on term limits and campaign finance reform. As long as we're divided, the swamp wins.

One question

Did that happen as President Trump or Businessman Trump? Yet I bet your opinion on President Bill Clinton's past was a lot different....while he was the President

Absurd argument. A pig doesn't stop being a pig just because it changes jobs.

You must be a Tony Perkins fan. Unprincipled pragmatism. Perkins basically said yes, he acted like a moral degenerate in the past, but by gosh we like his agenda so we'll turn our back on his degenerate nature as long as he doesn't do it again!!
Really??

You never answered my question

So here's another one for you. Did you vote for Clinton both times? My guess you did and was not worried about all the stories about sexual abuse from the many women that came out. So why the concern now?

BTW I could careless if Trump is banging someone different each and every night. Sex or who's screwing whom is not a concern....

do your damn job as President and I'm OK. He could grab your sister's p***y and as long as shes OK with it. It wont bother me. More thing important than sex. I guess you felt that way about President Clinton since you voted for him...twice

You sound like you are talking to yourself. You know, having an imaginary argument with me, because you've made numerous assumptions you can't know. This is how people rationalize what they want to believe. Assume facts not in evidence.
Since you seem to just as crude as Trump, I guess you are OK with him. Believe me, with your comments you have exposed yourself as exactly the kind of person who stands for much of what's wrong with many Trump supporters.
Stay classy!

Again sex is not something I care about if any president is doing. Hell I hope they are because then they aren't as frustrated. If he's knocking off strange that is between him and his wife. Not my problem......

stay out of peoples bedrooms and if someone is talking you shouldn't be recording it without letting them know. Hell I bet even a prude like yourself likes to talk dirty at some point. Powerful men get away with a lot more than us ugly, broke ones do....

so these money grabbing females (not all but a lot) will let a man grab them by the p***y. As long as they get what they want. If that's crude so be it.....

I'm not trying to impress anyone...ask anyone on the CUSA board. They can tell you....


I don't give a f**k about your opinion, of me. Means nothing. Still did not answer neither of those questions.

Two posters on here I like, even if i have had disagreements with both. Old Dominion is clearly on the other side of the political spectrum, but his fandom of ODU is undeniable. WKUYG and I have squabbled over sports, but share the same philosophy on politics. I can only wish that at some point both of you can find some common ground as I have with each of you.

It's either, not neither. Keep doing WKU proud.

(02-02-2018 08:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Two posters on here I like, even if i have had disagreements with both. Old Dominion is clearly on the other side of the political spectrum, but his fandom of ODU is undeniable. WKUYG and I have squabbled over sports, but share the same philosophy on politics. I can only wish that at some point both of you can find some common ground as I have with each of you.

I hardly ever get in these battle very long on the spin board , like the CUSA board. I don't even mind his position. If he's being honest about it. We all have different views on morals and if someone is consistent I have no problem if it different from mine.

I think when it comes to sex President Clinton and President Trump both play around. Yet people still voted for them. One was powerful because of politics and the other money. When you got both....

it's about 10x worse yet both were elected to do a job.

But I'm finished with this and the ODU fan would be surprise with how crude I am around mix company. I hardly ever cuss. I view these boards as bunch of guys getting together and the competitive juices start flowing....

About like Trump did talking about grabbing a p***y

I would bet we both agree Judy MacLeod sucks