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(05-08-2018 08:59 PM)The Big O Wrote:  I think Harvey is a lost cause at this point, but Mesoraco's value isn't much higher. They're both free agents after this year, so not a big loss either way.

still think he has more value as a dh

Reds take their second series win of the year after beating the Mets 2-1 last night - Duvall hit a walk off tater. The Reds have also won 2 in a row for the second time this year under Riggo. He is now 7-12 since taking over for Price. The Redlegs enter the dreaded west coast swing starting tonight with 4 against the Dodgers and then 3 against the Giants.

Scooooter! I just love that guy.

Ok, this is the Reds, correct? They won their 5th game in a row and 3rd in a row against the Dodgers. Yeah I know, LA has some key player injuries and they aren't playing some of their better baseball right now. But, this is the dreaded west coast road trip that the Reds have typically struggled with even when they've had good teams. Scooter "Freegin" Gennett is absolutely volcano hot right now and Joey is heating up at the plate too. The bullpen has been outstanding and the starting staff is getting better. Oh, Matt Harvey pitched 4 scoreless innings in his Reds debut. Riggo is now 10-12 as the Reds' skipper. Redlegs go for the sweep this afternoon. When is the last time they swept the Dodger at LA?

1976?

(05-13-2018 06:26 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  1976?

That is what I would have guesses.

(05-08-2018 09:34 PM)crex043 Wrote:  The Reds essentially have two months to correct his mechanical issues so they can possibly flip him at the trade deadline for the next ... Dilson Herrera.

I sense this was meant sarcastically but Herrera finally seems to be healthy now and he's back to rakin'. Per a RZ poster yesterday, in his last 122 PAs (in A+ and AAA) his slash is .339/.393/.518. People also seem to forget he's only 24.

On that note, Brandon Dixon (who came over in the Frazier trade) is also mashing in AAA. He's 26 but has a lot of position versatility and is hitting .328/.374/.531 in 139 AAA PAs.

Reds face some interesting decisions as this season continues to unfold. The next really big one probably being the June 4 draft where we've got the #5 overall pick.

Dare I say the name? I dare. Skoooooooootur. Dude went 2 for 3 with a grand salami and finished with 6 ribbies. Harvey picks up the win over the Buccos. 7-2 final score.

what sorta value scoot's got? he's probably young enough to warrant a decent contract. utility man. i'd say he's a proven everyday player and borderline all star. should the reds possibly consider locking him up if they don't trade him before the all star break?

(05-23-2018 11:51 AM)Lush Wrote:  what sorta value scoot's got? he's probably young enough to warrant a decent contract. utility man. i'd say he's a proven everyday player and borderline all star. should the reds possibly consider locking him up if they don't trade him before the all star break?

Depends a lot on how you value our cheaper internal alternatives. I mentioned two above (Dixon - who the Reds just called up btw, and Dilson Herrera), but both of them fall below Nick Senzel and Shedd Long as Reds' second base prospects. And I think he's more of a utility guy ceiling but Blandino hasn't looked that bad either.

I don't see how it makes sense to move Suarez off 3B and it's questionable whether any of above can handle SS everyday. Senzel in particular should be starting somewhere by next year and Dilson has no options once he rejoins the Reds. With Votto seemingly locked in at 1st, there is a lot of pegs but not many holes in the infield (which is where you would ideally play all of those mentioned).

And I haven't even gotten to the draft yet where it's entirely possible the best player on the board when the Reds pick at #5 will be Oregon St. 2B Nick Madrigal or possibly even U of Florida 3B Jonathan India or Wichita St. 1B Alec Bohm depending upon how they value them.

To be honest, as much as I love what Scooter has done and is giving us especially as a semi-local kid, he's pretty much the perfect sell high candidate right given our array of possible replacements now since he seems to have proven that last year wasn't a fluke. At a minimum, the Reds should be open to any offers and should probably be actively shopping him imo.

(05-23-2018 02:56 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 11:51 AM)Lush Wrote:  what sorta value scoot's got? he's probably young enough to warrant a decent contract. utility man. i'd say he's a proven everyday player and borderline all star. should the reds possibly consider locking him up if they don't trade him before the all star break?

Depends a lot on how you value our cheaper internal alternatives. I mentioned two above (Dixon - who the Reds just called up btw, and Dilson Herrera), but both of them fall below Nick Senzel and Shedd Long as Reds' second base prospects. And I think he's more of a utility guy ceiling but Blandino hasn't looked that bad either.

I don't see how it makes sense to move Suarez off 3B and it's questionable whether any of above can handle SS everyday. Senzel in particular should be starting somewhere by next year and Dilson has no options once he rejoins the Reds. With Votto seemingly locked in at 1st, there is a lot of pegs but not many holes in the infield (which is where you would ideally play all of those mentioned).

And I haven't even gotten to the draft yet where it's entirely possible the best player on the board when the Reds pick at #5 will be Oregon St. 2B Nick Madrigal or possibly even U of Florida 3B Jonathan India or Wichita St. 1B Alec Bohm depending upon how they value them.

To be honest, as much as I love what Scooter has done and is giving us especially as a semi-local kid, he's pretty much the perfect sell high candidate right given our array of possible replacements now since he seems to have proven that last year wasn't a fluke. At a minimum, the Reds should be open to any offers and should probably be actively shopping him imo.

Hamilton is who you shop--the Reds have plenty of outfielders. Sell the fact that he's the fastest man in baseball and take what you can get. Gennett is a keeper--young and talented...possible cleanup hitter after Votto goes away.

I'm not in favor of trading Scooter. He's not a payroll drain and is becoming a fan favorite not to mention one of the lone offensive bright spots that has been consistent. We've been selling/dumping players for too long (yes, most of it was justified with our payroll/market). Trade or dump Billy Hamilton. IMO, that experiment has failed. Dude can't hit at the big league level. I don't care how fast he is.

(05-23-2018 07:22 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 02:56 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 11:51 AM)Lush Wrote:  what sorta value scoot's got? he's probably young enough to warrant a decent contract. utility man. i'd say he's a proven everyday player and borderline all star. should the reds possibly consider locking him up if they don't trade him before the all star break?

Depends a lot on how you value our cheaper internal alternatives. I mentioned two above (Dixon - who the Reds just called up btw, and Dilson Herrera), but both of them fall below Nick Senzel and Shedd Long as Reds' second base prospects. And I think he's more of a utility guy ceiling but Blandino hasn't looked that bad either.

I don't see how it makes sense to move Suarez off 3B and it's questionable whether any of above can handle SS everyday. Senzel in particular should be starting somewhere by next year and Dilson has no options once he rejoins the Reds. With Votto seemingly locked in at 1st, there is a lot of pegs but not many holes in the infield (which is where you would ideally play all of those mentioned).

And I haven't even gotten to the draft yet where it's entirely possible the best player on the board when the Reds pick at #5 will be Oregon St. 2B Nick Madrigal or possibly even U of Florida 3B Jonathan India or Wichita St. 1B Alec Bohm depending upon how they value them.

To be honest, as much as I love what Scooter has done and is giving us especially as a semi-local kid, he's pretty much the perfect sell high candidate right given our array of possible replacements now since he seems to have proven that last year wasn't a fluke. At a minimum, the Reds should be open to any offers and should probably be actively shopping him imo.

Hamilton is who you shop--the Reds have plenty of outfielders. Sell the fact that he's the fastest man in baseball and take what you can get. Gennett is a keeper--young and talented...possible cleanup hitter after Votto goes away.

I'm not sure who all these OFs are that the Reds are stocked with. Your feelings on Billy are clear. Duvall seems to have lost the glass slipper that he may or may not find again. In addition to his below average defense and lack of power, Winker isn't even getting base hits all that often lately as his 82 OPS+ this year would indicate. I like Schebs when he's healthy but even he is having an average at best season so far.

I don't think teams will be falling all over each other to get a CF with a 65 OPS+ who no longer seems to steal many bases. I don't have a problem trading anyone, but it seems silly to do so when his stock is so low and our alternatives are so limited. You gotta trade something to get something. Perhaps most importantly, who do you play in CF if you trade Billy for some low B prospect and what does that do for our already fragile pitching staff?

(05-23-2018 07:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not in favor of trading Scooter. He's not a payroll drain and is becoming a fan favorite not to mention one of the lone offensive bright spots that has been consistent. We've been selling/dumping players for too long (yes, most of it was justified with our payroll/market). Trade or dump Billy Hamilton. IMO, that experiment has failed. Dude can't hit at the big league level. I don't care how fast he is.

As I said earlier, you have to give something to get something in a trade and Billy's value is pretty low right now. Meanwhile Scooter's is at an all time high. Cut Billy and who plays center?

(05-23-2018 11:04 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 07:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not in favor of trading Scooter. He's not a payroll drain and is becoming a fan favorite not to mention one of the lone offensive bright spots that has been consistent. We've been selling/dumping players for too long (yes, most of it was justified with our payroll/market). Trade or dump Billy Hamilton. IMO, that experiment has failed. Dude can't hit at the big league level. I don't care how fast he is.

As I said earlier, you have to give something to get something in a trade and Billy's value is pretty low right now. Meanwhile Scooter's is at an all time high. Cut Billy and who plays center?

I understand the trade value aspect. Again, I don't trade Scooter if it was my decision. If it comes to a salary dump or too many bodies for playing time, take whatever value we can get for Hamilton at this point. We're paying the guy $4-5 million to make an occasional outstanding play in the field but he can't hit and can't get on base. I believe he is on a one year deal so another team won't have to saddle a long term contract. I'm sure we can fill the center field void with someone that can hit better in lieu of cheetah speed. Minors?

Scooter is likely to make bank in arbitration for next year. Not sure where I saw this, but assuming his trajectory continues he's likely to make upwards of $8 or $9 million next year. That isn't ridiculous, but it's probably more than the Reds want to pay for someone that will likely give way to Nick Senzel soon. Also, with Gennett being 28 years of age, he is likely passing his statistical prime and will never have a higher trade value. Then again, if he has suddenly found his groove (and has sustained it for over a year as a starter and seems to be missing a sophomore slump so far) and Senzel can be moved to the OF for the time being, maybe the Reds lock him up for 3 years. But they've got to be listening for offers on him.

The OF situation is the weakest in terms of depth and starting power. Winker looks to be the only definite future contributor in the OF, and he has a lot to prove in terms of the dimension he can provide to the OF position outside of mere BA. Schebler is a possible future contributor, but his consistency leaves a lot to be desired. Billy Hamilton is a 4th OF (being used appropriately under Riggleman finally, IMO) with elite speed and late-game defensive replacement value. That's about it, and once his speed starts to trail off he won't be worth much. He's 27 and is approaching or in his prime.
The OF doesn't have very many prospects knocking at the door for the MLB, too. Taylor Trammell looks the part, but he's in A+. Jose Siri is also a contender, but is still in A+. We're looking at another 2-3 years before we see a home-grown OF come to fruition. The Reds can probably use a stopgap solution in the OF. Whether that comes via FA signing (not common in recent Reds history), a trade, or by moving Senzel out to the OF is the question.

Too bad Dusty isn't still coaching. We could trade Hamilton to him as his next Willy Taveras / Corey Patterson and reap a decent return.

(05-24-2018 04:19 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 11:04 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 07:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm not in favor of trading Scooter. He's not a payroll drain and is becoming a fan favorite not to mention one of the lone offensive bright spots that has been consistent. We've been selling/dumping players for too long (yes, most of it was justified with our payroll/market). Trade or dump Billy Hamilton. IMO, that experiment has failed. Dude can't hit at the big league level. I don't care how fast he is.

As I said earlier, you have to give something to get something in a trade and Billy's value is pretty low right now. Meanwhile Scooter's is at an all time high. Cut Billy and who plays center?

I understand the trade value aspect. Again, I don't trade Scooter if it was my decision. If it comes to a salary dump or too many bodies for playing time, take whatever value we can get for Hamilton at this point. We're paying the guy $4-5 million to make an occasional outstanding play in the field but he can't hit and can't get on base. I believe he is on a one year deal so another team won't have to saddle a long term contract. I'm sure we can fill the center field void with someone that can hit better in lieu of cheetah speed. Minors?

I'm not sure I get the connection you and notD seem to have between Scooter and Billy. Their situations aren't really connected beyond the need to find a hero and a scapegoat in every situation.

You might be sure we can fill CF with someone that can hit better, but I'm not at least not internally in the near future. Hopefully Taylor Trammell is that guy eventually but he's most likely a good 2-3 years away minimum. If Billy is out, we'd probably go with Ervin, but in addition to being hurt himself, he's not really any better at getting on base than Billy. He'd bring a tad more power but less speed and less defense (but still good). If not him, I'd probably look at Peraza, but he's roughly Billy 2.0 offensively with fewer Ks, probably much worse defensively and would leave a hole at SS. Who else ya got?

Trading Hamilton at this point isn't a plan, it's simply a move. And it certainly doesn't make us any better unless there is a crazy team out there desperate for speed or defense off the bench. If so, sure deal him. But cutting him or dumping him for peanuts isn't making us a better team.

(05-24-2018 09:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm not sure I get the connection you and notD seem to have between Scooter and Billy. Their situations aren't really connected beyond the need to find a hero and a scapegoat in every situation.

No connection. I used him as an example. Nothing more. You brought up the possibility of trading Scooter for equal or better value - sell high. I gave reasons why I would not deal Scooter and would rather deal someone else. Our pitching is slowly coming around and we need someone in this lineup other than Votto that can be a consistent threat. Again, Scooter is making about $5 million, Hamilton close to the same. IMO, that is a joke. Keep your bargain asset and dump the waste. Hamilton or someone else. What really hurts this ballclub is Homer's $20 million.

Riggo is now 15-18 since taking over the ballclub that was 3-15. He has the Redlegs playing near .500 ball. I hope this guy gets a hard look as the next Reds manager.

(05-24-2018 11:14 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 09:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm not sure I get the connection you and notD seem to have between Scooter and Billy. Their situations aren't really connected beyond the need to find a hero and a scapegoat in every situation.

No connection. I used him as an example. Nothing more. You brought up the possibility of trading Scooter for equal or better value - sell high. I gave reasons why I would not deal Scooter and would rather deal someone else. Our pitching is slowly coming around and we need someone in this lineup other than Votto that can be a consistent threat. Again, Scooter is making about $5 million, Hamilton close to the same. IMO, that is a joke. Keep your bargain asset and dump the waste. Hamilton or someone else. What really hurts this ballclub is Homer's $20 million.

No truer words were ever posted.

How can someone be in the majors for almost a decade and still not know how to bunt...it's pathetic.

But he sure can run fast.