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Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-up-steam/

Interesting proposal coming out of the Big 12.

Athletes would be allowed to transfer schools without restriction if their coach were fired or left for another job. Athletes would also be allowed to transfer without sitting out a season if a postseason ban is imposed on their current school by the NCAA. Finally, Coaches would no longer be able to block players from going to particular schools by preventing them from getting aid immediately at their new school. Apparently, the NCAA board of directors has mandated that transfer rules be changed in the next year, so these proposals will be considered.

In general, this is friendly to athletes. It's not clear to me how much this will help or hurt particular schools or groups of schools. The third proposed, change, preventing coaches from blocking where transfers go, may have the broadest effect, as quality athletes unhappy with their situations will have more freedom to go where they want.
01-31-2018 01:29 PM
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.
01-31-2018 01:36 PM
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I think these are more than fair and serve the student-athletes well. I, for one, hope to see this changes implemented.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

As long as the "student-athlete" facade is being maintained, then this should be allowed. Athletes are supposedly students like any other, and if regular students can transfer out then I see no reason athletes should be penalized for doing so.

If we ever do move to a paid model, then this would be among the first things I want gone. If athletes are getting paid to play then they should be committed and locked to the university for the duration of their collegiate career, unless agreed to otherwise.
01-31-2018 01:55 PM
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
I think this could be the compromise that stops the unfettered transfers that some were thinking.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
The thing about farm system is the player cannot follow the coach for a free transfer. That prevents a larger school from hiring a coach to raid the roster.

What I think is interesting is the potential for abuse by the new coach. Hey I'm not going to renew your scholarship at Enormous State University but the coach at Northeastsouthwest Tech has said if you transfer there you have a scholarship waiting on you. Makes it easier for the new coach to clean house and recruit his own people.

That's not going to happen at Alabama when Saban retires, but it might happen Kansas fires Beaty. The next coach may want to clean out many of the seniors and juniors and encourage them to go to MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt and AAC schools and even though Kansas is bad I bet there will be guys who could help Tulsa, Texas State, UTEP, etc.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I don't agree with never. I believe that a coach should be able to block a transfer to any scheduled opponents during the span of eligibility for competitive reasons. If a player wants to transfer from East Central State the ECS coach should be able to block them from going to Middle Northern Tech if Middle Northern Tech is on their schedule every year.

That would be the only blocking I would be in favor of.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
There is one item that needs to be addressed. Any school losing a kid to transfer where he is immediately available should be allowed to add one additional scholarship to the "25 per year hard cap" for every transfer lost. Otherwise, schools losing coaches could suffer depleted rosters that could be debilitating for years.

So, if a school loses 4 football players to transfer in 2019, they could offer 29 high school kids (or transfers) scholarships during that years recruiting cycle--as long as doing do did not exceed the schools 85 scholarship total. Their 25 kid cap for the next year would remain intact (unless they had more transfers to other FBS schools--in which case it would increase by the number of kids transferring out).
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(01-31-2018 03:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There is one item that needs to be addressed. Any school losing a kid to transfer where he is immediately available should be allowed to add one additional scholarship to the "25 per year hard cap" for every transfer lost. Otherwise, schools losing coaches could suffer depleted rosters that could be debilitating for years.

So, if a school loses 4 football players to transfer in 2019, they could offer 29 high school kids (or transfers) scholarships during that years recruiting cycle--as long as doing do did not exceed the schools 85 scholarship total. Their 25 kid cap for the next year would remain intact (unless they had more transfers to other FBS schools--in which case it would increase by the number of kids transferring out).

Agreed.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 03:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There is one item that needs to be addressed. Any school losing a kid to transfer where he is immediately available should be allowed to add one additional scholarship to the "25 per year hard cap" for every transfer lost. Otherwise, schools losing coaches could suffer depleted rosters that could be debilitating for years.

So, if a school loses 4 football players to transfer in 2019, they could offer 29 high school kids (or transfers) scholarships during that years recruiting cycle--as long as doing do did not exceed the schools 85 scholarship total. Their 25 kid cap for the next year would remain intact (unless they had more transfers to other FBS schools--in which case it would increase by the number of kids transferring out).

Iowa State AD mentions that in the article.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I don't agree with never. I believe that a coach should be able to block a transfer to any scheduled opponents during the span of eligibility for competitive reasons. If a player wants to transfer from East Central State the ECS coach should be able to block them from going to Middle Northern Tech if Middle Northern Tech is on their schedule every year.

That would be the only blocking I would be in favor of.

Why should a coach be able to take a new job with a school that is a scheduled opponent of their current school, but a player can't do the same?
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 01:29 PM)orangefan Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-up-steam/

Interesting proposal coming out of the Big 12.

Athletes would be allowed to transfer schools without restriction if their coach were fired or left for another job.

They'd still have to sit out a season, right?

That's a BIG restriction. 07-coffee3
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
I don't have a problem with it.

But, I wonder where and how they are going to draw the line--head coach, position coach?
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(01-31-2018 04:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't have a problem with it.

But, I wonder where and how they are going to draw the line--head coach, position coach?

Agreed, there are a lot of detail-devils here, and from a compliance standpoint, keeping track of player transfers and the consequent changes in scholarships allowed, will be a tangled situation.

There will be loopholes that are unanticipated, schools will figure them out and try to game the system. Won't be surprised if it is a big can of worms.
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G5 would lose good players to P5 but it would leave a better HS recruiting pool for them plus they could in turn raid FCS. A G5 playoff would become unavoidable.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I don't agree with never. I believe that a coach should be able to block a transfer to any scheduled opponents during the span of eligibility for competitive reasons. If a player wants to transfer from East Central State the ECS coach should be able to block them from going to Middle Northern Tech if Middle Northern Tech is on their schedule every year.

That would be the only blocking I would be in favor of.

Why? If Player A is buried on the bench of ECS, and can start at MNT, shouldn't the best interests of the Student-athlete come first?
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 04:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I don't agree with never. I believe that a coach should be able to block a transfer to any scheduled opponents during the span of eligibility for competitive reasons. If a player wants to transfer from East Central State the ECS coach should be able to block them from going to Middle Northern Tech if Middle Northern Tech is on their schedule every year.

That would be the only blocking I would be in favor of.

Why should a coach be able to take a new job with a school that is a scheduled opponent of their current school, but a player can't do the same?

Dan Mullen and Florida play Mississippi State NEXT YEAR. To be fair with Kaplony, Florida needs to forfeit the game.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I agree.
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(01-31-2018 04:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I don't agree with never. I believe that a coach should be able to block a transfer to any scheduled opponents during the span of eligibility for competitive reasons. If a player wants to transfer from East Central State the ECS coach should be able to block them from going to Middle Northern Tech if Middle Northern Tech is on their schedule every year.

That would be the only blocking I would be in favor of.

Why should a coach be able to take a new job with a school that is a scheduled opponent of their current school, but a player can't do the same?

Typically a coach takes his strategy, etc. with him when he goes and it's replaced by the next coach. He doesn't change his coaching strategy when a player leaves.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(01-31-2018 06:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 04:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 01:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As much as I am opposed to instant eligibility in general (to prevent smaller schools from becoming defacto farm systems), these proposals make sense.


If coaches have the freedom to come and go without penalty, so athletes if the coach leaves.

And coaches NEVER should have been able to block transfers to certain schools.

I don't agree with never. I believe that a coach should be able to block a transfer to any scheduled opponents during the span of eligibility for competitive reasons. If a player wants to transfer from East Central State the ECS coach should be able to block them from going to Middle Northern Tech if Middle Northern Tech is on their schedule every year.

That would be the only blocking I would be in favor of.

Why should a coach be able to take a new job with a school that is a scheduled opponent of their current school, but a player can't do the same?

Dan Mullen and Florida play Mississippi State NEXT YEAR. To be fair with Kaplony, Florida needs to forfeit the game.

You might have a point if Mississippi State was locked in to playing the exact same style of ball they played when Mullen was there, but with a new coaching staff comes a new style of play so you don't.

A player leaving a team to go to an opponent provides an unnatural insight into how a team is going to do things.
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