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A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas
01-30-2018 12:17 PM
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Many (most?) athletic programs are heavily subsidized by student fees and other sources to make ends meet.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

There is a reason why their are 300+ division 1 basketball programs and only 129 football programs.

The numbers are a little hard to sort out unless you look at the specifics of each school. For example one of the costs is tuition, so each program will have a different base scholarship cost, in state, out of state, , international students are charged different tuition fees. Then the cost ranges from state to state and school to school. Of course the difference between private and public.

That doesn't even get into why schools choose to play sports, those are just as varied. Including things like increasing alumni interactions and donations to non-athletics, 3 hour free commercials, creating an attractive campus atmosphere, pride, prestige, networking with like minded institutions through conference affiliations or creating partnerships through an athletics connection. Hell there are so many schools that sometimes I learn about a schools existence through a athletic accomplishment or competition.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
As of 2016, we had the lowest subsidized athletic department of any state-related football playing school in the G5 at 25%. Boise State was the next lowest at just over 27%. Wichita State is about equal with us, obviously without having football to fund. The two lowest in the AAC are Tulsa at 13.75% and SMU at 23.63%. Tulane is actually heavier subsidized than we are at 38%. The highest subsidized athletic department in the AAC was USF at 49.62%

The highest in the P5 were Rutgers at 34.07% and ASU at 18.57%
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
The fact that Texas Tech runs a deficit in the Big 12 while never winning more than 8 games is just wonderful.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Its frightening what has happened to UTEP. No school was hurt more in the last round of realignment from the G5 schools than UTEP.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Student fees are always going to cover the costs. So why run a balanced budget?
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Houston had $17,232 in ticket revenue from basketball. That number has to rival the take at some grade schools. Pathetic.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 02:42 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Houston had $17,232 in ticket revenue from basketball. That number has to rival the take at some grade schools. Pathetic.

I call BS on that one. UNT has half of UH attendance but has 8 times the ticket sales revenue?
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Not sure about what comparisons can be made. When looking at media revenue reported to the NCAA (line item #11), it ranges from $0 for N. TX to $193,571 for UTEP to $1,058,585 for San Antonio. Seems like it should be more uniform for teams in the same conference.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 03:08 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 02:42 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Houston had $17,232 in ticket revenue from basketball. That number has to rival the take at some grade schools. Pathetic.

I call BS on that one. UNT has half of UH attendance but has 8 times the ticket sales revenue?

Well, not to mention that it is showing $346,223 in revenue for Houston women's basketball as compared to the $17,232 for the men. Whereas UNT is $102,973 for men and $20,877 for women. My guess is that the numbers for Houston's men's and women's basketball are reversed.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
UTSA basketball has 1/4 attendance but 3.5x revenue
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 03:24 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 03:08 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 02:42 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Houston had $17,232 in ticket revenue from basketball. That number has to rival the take at some grade schools. Pathetic.

I call BS on that one. UNT has half of UH attendance but has 8 times the ticket sales revenue?

Well, not to mention that it is showing $346,223 in revenue for Houston women's basketball as compared to the $17,232 for the men. Whereas UNT is $102,973 for men and $20,877 for women. My guess is that the numbers for Houston's men's and women's basketball are reversed.

Yeah. Has to be. There are around 3000 season tickets sold for mens basketball. A season ticket would sell for less than $6 if that was correct. No way thats right. The cheapest season ticket is at least $100 if I remember correctly.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 03:24 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 03:08 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 02:42 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Houston had $17,232 in ticket revenue from basketball. That number has to rival the take at some grade schools. Pathetic.

I call BS on that one. UNT has half of UH attendance but has 8 times the ticket sales revenue?

Well, not to mention that it is showing $346,223 in revenue for Houston women's basketball as compared to the $17,232 for the men. Whereas UNT is $102,973 for men and $20,877 for women. My guess is that the numbers for Houston's men's and women's basketball are reversed.

Yeah. Has to be. There are around 3000 season tickets sold for mens basketball. A season ticket would sell for less than $6 if that was correct. No way thats right. The cheapest season ticket is at least $100 if I remember correctly.

The 2015-16 NCAA report for Houston does indeed report men's basketball revenue as $17,232. However, the report runs 71 pages and is broken down into a myriad details. The Dept. of Education report at https://ope.ed.gov/athletics reports Houston men's basketball revenue at $6,023,125 for the 2015-16 season. Looks like the numbers needed some additional crunching.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Much of these numbers are bs because of the "cost" of a scholarship. Those numbers have to be accounted for but the true costs are negligible because the sunk cost is already paid. Most athletic departments aren't truly in the red.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Ie 90% of the G4 will be FCS in five years..probably starting with the MAC.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 05:05 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 03:24 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 03:08 PM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 02:42 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Houston had $17,232 in ticket revenue from basketball. That number has to rival the take at some grade schools. Pathetic.

I call BS on that one. UNT has half of UH attendance but has 8 times the ticket sales revenue?

Well, not to mention that it is showing $346,223 in revenue for Houston women's basketball as compared to the $17,232 for the men. Whereas UNT is $102,973 for men and $20,877 for women. My guess is that the numbers for Houston's men's and women's basketball are reversed.

Yeah. Has to be. There are around 3000 season tickets sold for mens basketball. A season ticket would sell for less than $6 if that was correct. No way thats right. The cheapest season ticket is at least $100 if I remember correctly.

The 2015-16 NCAA report for Houston does indeed report men's basketball revenue as $17,232. However, the report runs 71 pages and is broken down into a myriad details. The Dept. of Education report at https://ope.ed.gov/athletics reports Houston men's basketball revenue at $6,023,125 for the 2015-16 season. Looks like the numbers needed some additional crunching.

I dont think the numbers are off that much---I think they just put the womens basketball numbers in the mens section and the mens numbers in the womens section. They just made a transcription error.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
These figures aren't new... And some programs are better experts in balancing vs others.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
Here is something damn interesting that I found:

Comprehensive chart of expenditures and revenues of all Div 1 teams

(Maybe it is not as dire if THESE numbers are MORE accurate ?)
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(01-30-2018 02:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Its frightening what has happened to UTEP. No school was hurt more in the last round of realignment from the G5 schools than UTEP.

There's no reason for them to be as bad as they are. They're the only game in town and have huge, historic venues in both major sports. They have a romantic history in basketball. I've gotta blame the administration. There's no reason they should be languishing at the bottom of C-USA, getting beaten by programs that didn't even exist when they won a national title and when the Sun Bowl game was created.
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