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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 02:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Its frightening what has happened to UTEP. No school was hurt more in the last round of realignment from the G5 schools than UTEP.

They were a disaster long before the last round of realignment. Between the time they joined CUSA and the forming of the AAC, they had 1 winning season of football (their 1st season) and 1 NCAA tournament appearance

Not that their football was much better before joining CUSA, in the WAC they had 2 winning seasons since 1990
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
It is very simple. Get rid of the rule that the athletic departments have to pay the school for tuition and room and board and the deficits go away. The money from the schools is nothing more than a refund of the scholarship payments.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

This again?

Division I FBS athletics is a marketing cost center for the university. Period.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 09:02 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.

This is the most accurate and best description I’ve seen of whats going on right now. Also gives creedance to the notion of going indy in fb and getting hoops in the Big East...ir fb is dying a slow G4 death.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 02:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:02 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.

This is the most accurate and best description I’ve seen of whats going on right now. Also gives creedance to the notion of going indy in fb and getting hoops in the Big East...ir fb is dying a slow G4 death.

Big East and Indy for...Cincinnati?
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
I still don't understand why the AAC schools aren't worth 8-12 million/year.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 03:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 02:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:02 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.

This is the most accurate and best description I’ve seen of whats going on right now. Also gives creedance to the notion of going indy in fb and getting hoops in the Big East...ir fb is dying a slow G4 death.

Big East and Indy for...Cincinnati?

we wouldn’t get in with the XU there now but yeah. I know people will quickly say independent football will kill Cincinnati football. But they’re missing the point- our football is going to die a slow death in the G4 anyway. Why not at least try and get basketball to a safe haven. Uconn too. It would be worse in the short run but better in the long run (barring we are holdimg out hope for a P5 invite). The premise of my proposal is based on the rath’s comments which I believe are accurate. What we are doing right now is not sustainable long-term and therefore our football program is going to slowly die in the current set up.
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(01-30-2018 10:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 02:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Its frightening what has happened to UTEP. No school was hurt more in the last round of realignment from the G5 schools than UTEP.

There's no reason for them to be as bad as they are. They're the only game in town and have huge, historic venues in both major sports. They have a romantic history in basketball. I've gotta blame the administration. There's no reason they should be languishing at the bottom of C-USA, getting beaten by programs that didn't even exist when they won a national title and when the Sun Bowl game was created.

Who wants to go to college in El Paso?
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I wouldn't have minded it. Many teens in Texas do it to get away from their parents while paying in-state tuition..
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

The federal government said hold my beer....
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(01-31-2018 04:47 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I still don't understand why the AAC schools aren't worth 8-12 million/year.

Same reason why Honda Accords are not selling for $70k.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 07:20 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

The federal government said hold my beer....

And then they sent you a bill for it while threatening you with a visit from the IRS, lol....
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(01-31-2018 10:10 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 04:47 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I still don't understand why the AAC schools aren't worth 8-12 million/year.

Same reason why Honda Accords are not selling for $70k.

lol, you won the interwebs today Rath
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(01-31-2018 11:50 AM)panama Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

This again?

Division I FBS athletics is a marketing cost center for the university. Period.

Well, for a few schools they are. But you're going to have a hard time convincing me that schools like San Jose State, Kent, Buffalo, FIU and others like them really get a return on their investment there.

And even schools that do sometimes question if it's worth it. My best friend went to Florida State for it's academics, not football team. All joking aside, he became a Green Beret, taught graduate courses in STEM at Berkley and now works at a start-up. He couldn't stand not only the football team, but also the types of students the team attracted.

College athletics, especially football, HEMORRHAGES money as a whole. For every one Texas there's three UTSA's, Rice's, UNT's, etc. For every one Ohio State there are three Kent's, Toledo's, or Akron's.

But it hits at the heart of the argument that college athletics is a business - it's not. A full 75% of FBS schools don't break even, and that includes almost all of the PAC 12. As far as being able to sustain the program goes, it's somewhat of a trap. I have nothing against UAB but they have tried to kill their program multiple times and haven't had any luck - people get angry. So I'm not sure that it's possible to leave once you actually get in. Idaho is simply going back to FCS, where it was for years.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(02-01-2018 01:21 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 11:50 AM)panama Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

This again?

Division I FBS athletics is a marketing cost center for the university. Period.

Well, for a few schools they are. But you're going to have a hard time convincing me that schools like San Jose State, Kent, Buffalo, FIU and others like them really get a return on their investment there.

And even schools that do sometimes question if it's worth it. My best friend went to Florida State for it's academics, not football team. All joking aside, he became a Green Beret, taught graduate courses in STEM at Berkley and now works at a start-up. He couldn't stand not only the football team, but also the types of students the team attracted.

College athletics, especially football, HEMORRHAGES money as a whole. For every one Texas there's three UTSA's, Rice's, UNT's, etc. For every one Ohio State there are three Kent's, Toledo's, or Akron's.

But it hits at the heart of the argument that college athletics is a business - it's not. A full 75% of FBS schools don't break even, and that includes almost all of the PAC 12. As far as being able to sustain the program goes, it's somewhat of a trap. I have nothing against UAB but they have tried to kill their program multiple times and haven't had any luck - people get angry. So I'm not sure that it's possible to leave once you actually get in. Idaho is simply going back to FCS, where it was for years.

That depends on how you rack up expenses. How much do you pay for a primetime commercial? While your friend may have not liked the students the football attracted how many more of them were there compared to students who were like him?

It's not a clear cut issue. Neither the they're going bankrupt or its a money making attention grabbing machine are exactly right. They both are and they both aren't.
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A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas






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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

not long ago...it was revealed that the University of Tennessee athletic dept was $200 million in debt....so not surprising
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(01-30-2018 01:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  As of 2016, we had the lowest subsidized athletic department of any state-related football playing school in the G5 at 25%. Boise State was the next lowest at just over 27%. Wichita State is about equal with us, obviously without having football to fund. The two lowest in the AAC are Tulsa at 13.75% and SMU at 23.63%. Tulane is actually havier subsidized than we are at 38%. The highest subsidized athletic department in the AAC was USF at 49.62%

The highest in the P5 were Rutgers at 34.07% and ASU at 18.57%
60K tuition will do it every time! How much of the "tuition" factor is actually out-of-pocket expense for the Universities?
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