(02-01-2018 10:42 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 10:21 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  I do not consider Milton the worst defender. Of course I could be wrong (in fact I often am) but swapping out Rowley for Milton does not improve us defensively. It certainly increases FT opportunities for the other team. Rowley is second on the team in fouls and had 4 tonight. He also is more turnover prone.

Look, I think we both agree the hot hand plays and Rowley probably beat UNC-W for us. And his offensive production was critical tonight. And he is a great story.

I just don’t feel Milton is the liability you are suggesting.

Rowley fouls because he is at least in front of his guy. Milon is usually nowhere near his guy and the most likely culprit for blown assignments on the defensive end.

Also didn't suggest switching Rowley for Milon, as Rowley is often needed to give Knight a break when Harrison is ineffective, which had pretty much been every game until the UNCW game. Hopefully Harrison can continue to give quality minutes to where we can play Knight and Rowley on the floor together more, which is when our offense is at it's best IMO. Tot's & Loewe's defense tonight was good and rightfully deserved (glad Shaver agreed) some of Milon's minutes. Milon is like the Burchfield of the last 3 years on defense to me. He is still young and new to our defense (which Shaver constantly switches in games), so hopefully he can improve the next 2 seasons on that end.

Seemed to me that Elon crawled back into the game when Cohn took a breather with about 9-10 minutes left. Our offense immediately sputtered and lost its ball movement.

(02-01-2018 10:57 PM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 10:42 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 10:21 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  I do not consider Milton the worst defender. Of course I could be wrong (in fact I often am) but swapping out Rowley for Milton does not improve us defensively. It certainly increases FT opportunities for the other team. Rowley is second on the team in fouls and had 4 tonight. He also is more turnover prone.

Look, I think we both agree the hot hand plays and Rowley probably beat UNC-W for us. And his offensive production was critical tonight. And he is a great story.

I just don’t feel Milton is the liability you are suggesting.

Rowley fouls because he is at least in front of his guy. Milon is usually nowhere near his guy and the most likely culprit for blown assignments on the defensive end.

Also didn't suggest switching Rowley for Milon, as Rowley is often needed to give Knight a break when Harrison is ineffective, which had pretty much been every game until the UNCW game. Hopefully Harrison can continue to give quality minutes to where we can play Knight and Rowley on the floor together more, which is when our offense is at it's best IMO. Tot's & Loewe's defense tonight was good and rightfully deserved (glad Shaver agreed) some of Milon's minutes. Milon is like the Burchfield of the last 3 years on defense to me. He is still young and new to our defense (which Shaver constantly switches in games), so hopefully he can improve the next 2 seasons on that end.

Seemed to me that Elon crawled back into the game when Cohn took a breather with about 9-10 minutes left. Our offense immediately sputtered and lost its ball movement.

Splitting hairs, but the breather was from foul trouble, I believe. Swoopes had reeled off a few before Cohn took a seat.

(02-01-2018 07:18 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Elon is really good. Good start for the Tribe and only up 3. Need a full game tonight. Sebring/Cohn is a tough one.

Counterpoint: Elon is really good on offense. Although I will say that Seibring is one of the most defendable offensive player in the league. He thrives on mismatches and bad defenders, but can be taken out of a game. Unfortunately, his size and skill makes mismatches for him out of a lot of players.

(02-01-2018 07:38 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  Very good half from the Tribe. Elon hit some tough shots or could be down by an extra 8-10 points.

Surprised Elon isn't attacking our switches more, as Cohn has been on Seibring a lot the 1st half yet Elon hasn't fed him the ball that much on the mismatch.

At the game, we couldn't figure out why they didn't find Seibring every trip. We switched on screens, and did not work hard to switch back. That should have been points for them every trip. On the other hand, we never went to Nathan in the post in the second half, so it probably balanced out. Maybe there was a gentleman's agreement not to exploit weaknesses.

(02-01-2018 10:07 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:47 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  There was a stretch in the game when visions of two more years of Pierce and Knight were definitely dancing in my head. Outstanding sophomores already, should they progress as we hope, their play as seniors could be something to behold.

Sometimes you miss FTs and sometimes great shooters go cold ...

I don't think a cold-shooting Milon is a liability on defense or rebounding; however, when you can plug in a hot-shooting Rowley, why not? (That's depth!)

My biggest concern tonight was the under-utilization of Knight. Elon simply cannot handle him underneath. He spent way to much time outside distributing the ball. He can go all "Towson" on them, put up the shot and get the rebound if he misses.

In all fairness, Knight got a good amount of touches. He seemed like he was looking to set his teammates up more tonight than go 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 (led our team in assists tonight). Plus, Pierce, Burch, & Rowley also shot very well from the field tonight and even Milon's shots were good looks that we would love for him to take up until the past 2 weeks. The only bad shots we really had are the one's we tried to hurry in transition. When we ran our set offense, we probably shot close to 70% from the field.

Knight didn't get quality touches. He looked like he was just running through the offense on the perimeter, looking for the next pass instead of looking to get his shot.

Elon came roaring back when our guys looked gassed. That also explains the free throws at the end. We didn't have the energy on offense, which resulted in walking through the offense, and didn't have the energy to play hard on defense, which resulted in good looks for Elon. It seemed like everyone was getting at least normal rest, so maybe it was just an off night or we relaxed when we got the big lead and never got back into it.

Milon's biggest weakness on defense is ball watching. He's okay at best on the ball, but has a tendency to lose his man off the ball. It doesn't always end up looking like his fault, but I'm sure they see it on film. He's going through a little slump shooting the ball, but Burchfield did earlier in the season. If Milon just keeps shooting it'll come back. I like Rowley off the bench because it allows us to adjust the lineup to cause mismatches. He can sub for either guard or forward. Plus, energy guys are always better off the bench, even if they end up with even minutes or starter minutes.

Saw on the Elon message board that Kaplan is the only CAA venue they have still never won in.

Glad to see Loewe getting valuable minutes at this stage. Cohn is an eveready bunny, but we've got to get him some rest prior to the tournament.

Pierce is a matchup nightmare at the moment.

Sure glad Harrison is in the 'Burg. He's filled his role far better than any of us anticipated.

Hope Saturday's Drexel game can somehow be easy, as these guys need to recharge before next week's big road game at Charleston. Go Hofstra on Saturday.

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(02-02-2018 12:32 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Sure glad Harrison is in the 'Burg. He's filled his role far better than any of us anticipated.

What jumped out at me in particular tonight...

Harrison is no rebound machine, but he boxes out very well using his size and letting Pierce or one of the guards get the rebound. He doesn’t have the athleticism to go and get it, but he can use that wide body to at least keep the opponent from getting it.

I feel like this is a change from earlier in the year when he did try to get the rebound and lost that battle often.

Really valuable asset right now.

Knight, Pierce, Rowley, and Burchfield were a combined 31-43 from the floor and 12-18 from 3. I'm not concerned at all about Knight getting touches when you have players on the perimeter shooting like that. I also think Knight did well by not having his normal three or four dumb fouls (other than the one at the end).

I have to agree that it appeared that the comeback seemed to be in large part because Elon had fresher legs at the end than the Tribe. What a great game to watch.

Knight needs to learn to contest 3’s with his hands straight up, not going at the shooting hands. Glad the refs let them play last night.

Justin is something special. A real team effort.

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This team continues to amaze and, for this long time Tribe hoops follower, an absolute pleasure to watch.

And Justin Pierce just dominated the court. His athleticism and speed are off the charts and, now that his shooting is coming around to go with his rebounding, he's becoming not just TarpeyII but a Tarpey/Prewitt
combination. Jay calls him "The Trampoline Man' on the radio.

By the way, despite his shooting troubles Milon had four assists last night, including two beautiful passes that threaded the needle. And Nathan, in addition to his 20 points, had six assists, six! So he was doing lots more than standing around the perimeter.

And another good, supportive crowd: over 3500 with a full student section. We may come close to 5000 Saturday. People are coming out to see these guys.

Kudos to the athletic department for recognizing David Cohn setting a new W&M career assist record
before the game...really nice. And David responded with a sparkling floor game: nine points but five assists with zero turnovers and three big steals.

A terrific evening, to say the least, at Kaplan.

(02-02-2018 07:12 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  This team continues to amaze and, for this long time Tribe hoops follower, an absolute pleasure to watch.

And Justin Pierce just dominated the court. His athleticism and speed are off the charts and, now that his shooting is coming around to go with his rebounding, he's becoming not just TarpeyII but a Tarpey/Prewitt
combination. Jay calls him "The Trampoline Man' on the radio.

By the way, despite his shooting troubles Milon had four assists last night, including two beautiful passes that threaded the needle. And Nathan, in addition to his 20 points, had six assists, six! So he was doing lots more than standing around the perimeter.

And another good, supportive crowd: over 3500 with a full student section. We may come close to 5000 Saturday. People are coming out to see these guys.

Kudos to the athletic department for recognizing David Cohn setting a new W&M career assist record
before the game...really nice. And David responded with a sparkling floor game: nine points but five assists with zero turnovers and three big steals.

A terrific evening, to say the least, at Kaplan.

Amen!


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(02-02-2018 07:17 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 07:12 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  This team continues to amaze and, for this long time Tribe hoops follower, an absolute pleasure to watch.

And Justin Pierce just dominated the court. His athleticism and speed are off the charts and, now that his shooting is coming around to go with his rebounding, he's becoming not just TarpeyII but a Tarpey/Prewitt
combination. Jay calls him "The Trampoline Man' on the radio.

By the way, despite his shooting troubles Milon had four assists last night, including two beautiful passes that threaded the needle. And Nathan, in addition to his 20 points, had six assists, six! So he was doing lots more than standing around the perimeter.

And another good, supportive crowd: over 3500 with a full student section. We may come close to 5000 Saturday. People are coming out to see these guys.

Kudos to the athletic department for recognizing David Cohn setting a new W&M career assist record
before the game...really nice. And David responded with a sparkling floor game: nine points but five assists with zero turnovers and three big steals.

A terrific evening, to say the least, at Kaplan.

Amen!


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...and I second that motion! Great time to be a Tribe Fan!

It amazes me that 3500 is considered a good crowd these days. I don't know why we don't draw like we did when I was in school (79-83). We packed the Hall most games. Or am I remembering something that didn't really happen? I believe it may be because we played many more natural rivals than we do now (Richmond, VCU, ODU, Mason).

The game was awesome, though! Pierce is unstoppable lately.

(02-02-2018 11:15 AM)namtrag Wrote:  It amazes me that 3500 is considered a good crowd these days. I don't know why we don't draw like we did when I was in school (79-83). We packed the Hall most games. Or am I remembering something that didn't really happen? I believe it may be because we played many more natural rivals than we do now (Richmond, VCU, ODU, Mason).

The game was awesome, though! Pierce is unstoppable lately.

Yeah, I think the difference is no opposing team fans because of out of state teams on the schedule now. Always a bump up when an in state game.

We are #2 in league game avg attendance at 3793, behind UNCW. Expect attendance to be above the avg for the remainder of the season. I wouldn't be surprised at 5000+ for Charter Day weekend, as well as, Charleston. Team deserves it.

CofC fans were really knocking Northeastern for only having 1100 (their avg) at last night's game, when many there were CofC fans. For a school with 25,000+ students, that's pretty paltry support, even with all of the other Boston distractions. Guess hockey rules their roost.

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Would be sweet to hit 5,000! I think Kaplan would be better now if it could somehow be made more intimate, and a crowd of 3500-5000 was a full house. That place would be rocking!

Kudos to the Pep Band for creativity at the end of the game when Swoope was shooting free throws. We sit close enough to the band that I could hear them singing something to him while he was on the line but I could not figure out what it was until the very end when they all sang "I think I love you". Only then did I realize that they were singing Wild Thing, because of the kid's Mohawk.

Love to see the student party zone back for Charleston behind the open end goal, and the swim team break out the speedo distraction during second half FT's, ala Davidson tradition. Students could make a big impact during the remaining home games.

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(02-02-2018 11:15 AM)namtrag Wrote:  It amazes me that 3500 is considered a good crowd these days. I don't know why we don't draw like we did when I was in school (79-83). We packed the Hall most games. Or am I remembering something that didn't really happen? I believe it may be because we played many more natural rivals than we do now (Richmond, VCU, ODU, Mason).

The game was awesome, though! Pierce is unstoppable lately.

There's a lot more things to do now in Williamsburg (and generally) than back in the day. Also WM is now a much more rigorously challenging school academically. More demands on students' time.

But that being said, it's been well documented that college sports attendance is down nationally pretty much everywhere, with a few exceptions.

I think our fan support has been great this year and has been awesome to see.

(02-02-2018 12:05 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  There's a lot more things to do now in Williamsburg (and generally) than back in the day. Also WM is now a much more rigorously challenging school academically. More demands on students' time.

Sorry, but that is BS.....and I suppose kids walk 7 miles through the snow to get to classes these days

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