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(01-28-2018 10:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(01-28-2018 06:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I just don't see NoVa folks supporting Mason like that.

They're way more likely to be a viable FBS option than 'Town or GW. Maryland would be the school but DC technically isn't in Maryland, even though they're a hop, skip and jump away. Maryland would do way better if it were in or directly near Baltimore.

But Maryland isn't near Baltimore. You can see DC from the stadium at College Park. And no, a newbie program in the Belt or CUSA isn't going to be terribly successful IMHO. Remember that GMU doesn't have a huge on campus population and much of the local population is transitory, which is terrible for campus support. And remember, GMU already loses 20 million a year on athletics even without football. They're going to need to get 15-20k right off the bat. Because the state of Virginia is not going to let them add another 14 million to the deficit unless they find some revenue sources to offset it.

From personal experience, the local sports media ignores GW, American, Howard, and Mason. Basically its G'town, Maryland, and Virginia...

Lets look at Maryland. Maryland is located within a 2 hour drive of 10+ million people, has a credible product, has a huge on campus enrollment, is a state flagship, and has 100 or so years of history in football, and good opponents. They draw around 30k or so. George Mason is would draw flies for CUSA or MAC or Belt football in the DMV. So would GW. There's just not enough interest.

I loathe Georgetown, but they could make a go with it. They'd probably need to burn 300 million minimum to make a go of it (and join the AAC, which would take them). And then, maybe they'd get 25k a game or so.

I say again, Maryland is not really DC's school and while it's close to lots of people, many of those people are spoken for (Virginia, Virginia Tech, Penn State, various Philly schools, Delaware, Rutgers, etc...). So really, their pool is only 5 million or so. It helps nothing that football isn't really popular that way.

Yes, Mason likely wouldn't do much better but they are on the Virginia side, where there's no major college football in that part of the state. Other than budgetary issues, I think it would have been a great idea had they done so right after the Final Four run. Too late now. It's about brand awareness and building a brand, which they could have capitalized on had they chosen.

I know you live up there, so your word is stronger but I think Mason could have carved a niche. Georgetown is taxed out with a basketball program. As you noted 25-30k would be their ceiling, let alone what they'd routinely draw.
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(01-28-2018 11:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I know that the OP is probably just the messenger, but entire premise of this thread is so bogus that it’s annoying. Schools don’t willingly drop down to lower tier conferences, particularly under the guise of winning more. All that winning in a lower tier conference does is increase the desire to move up to a better conference, which means that it never makes sense to leave the better conference in the first place. Absolutely no sane university president makes this type of move in today’s conference realignment landscape. Living in the best neighborhood possible is all that matters, so you’d rather have the worst house in a better neighborhood than a mansion in a worse neighborhood. LaSalle isn’t going anywhere unless it’s to the Big East (which obviously isn’t happening). They certainly aren’t going to an inferior league. This is how crappy rumors that get fans unnecessarily into a tizzy get started.

I'd say that would make complete sense if you're in or close to the R5 but in the case of a few schools, it may make more to move down a level. La Salle isn't knocking on the Big East's door any time soon, so a conference that they can regularly compete in may be better suited for them.
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(01-28-2018 01:51 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  La Salle is in serious financial jeopardy. Prior to the current academic year enrollment has been in steady decline and competition for students is gettting more challenging as high school enrollment in La Salle’s primary recruitment geography is stagnant (public schools) to declining (Catholic schools). They’re selling off art and closing their museum to raise money. However, I know for a fact that La Salle is not contemplating dropping to D3. That option was the result of the consultants making sure all options are reviewed.

La Salle is really caught in a bind. They don’t have the money to have A10 level facilities or coaching salaries which means that they are generally not competitive. That’s especially true in men’s basketball where they’ve had one NCCA bid in 22 years in the A10. Moving back to the MAAC would save them some money and they’d be more competitive. However, it would hinder their ability to increase the number of students enrolling from Mid-Atlantic states which the administration sees as crucial to the university’s survival.

I think sticking it out in the A10 is the most likely outcome for now, but this is an issue that isn’t going to go away for La Salle absent tens of millions of dollars in donations that are extremely unlikely to materialize in the near future.

What's utterly shocking to me is how invisible they are locally when it comes to advertising. You don't see them on billboards, you don't hear about them on the radio, and you don't see them on television. Go online, and they aren't popping up on ads.

Some area schools, like Widener, Wilmington, DeSales, and even Holy Family, who all struggle(d) for eyes and filling seats, started to fixate on recruiting the non-traditional populations, non-completers, and working professionals. Those were already schools like Temple and Peirce's bread and butter, as well as the county community colleges. La Salle just isn't there.

I suspect they just still believe in the traditional recruiting methods. Go to high schools, set up a booth, and talk to kids. Want a Masters? You'll find them at a booth at other schools' fairs, traditional job fairs, and the like. They still utilize some of the traditional methods for graduate program enrollment. I was looking at MBA programs some time ago, and while most of the majors still expected you to go the route of the GRE/GMAT, GPA requirements, etc., some of the others waived these requirements, including Villanova and St. Joe's...who have fantastic graduate programs and are still extremely competitive in certain disciplines. When reviewing La Salle, it was like I was back in the 90's or early 00's, and you were applying the same way for them as if you were applying to Wharton, Rutgers, or Smeal...schools who "need" the exams because their recruitment base is international, and applicant pool is massive, and STILL don't care if you're an hourly or in the c-suite, where the test can be waived based on experience.

It's not looking good there. They slashed tuition costs, but, that's not something sustainable. Next would be forcing out the lifer staff/admin employees who clog salary lines...they don't go screaming to the Chronicle to out the awful conditions of a place like the faculty do, but you don't see profs working in operations keeping the school functioning daily. It can't stay that way.
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(01-28-2018 04:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There is zero interest at GW in FBS.

Zero interest?

Zero interest. The kind of people who go to GW are not the kind of people who care a lot about college football. If they did, they'd go to Penn State or Syracuse or BC or Pitt if they don't want to go that far away from New Jersery, or they'd pay full tuition to go to a P5 school in the south or Texas or California.
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Did you not read the rest of my comment? I agreed with him, I asked how it was even possible.
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LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.
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Every conference is it seems. Only the Pac has pretty much held to form.
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(01-29-2018 05:27 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 01:51 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  La Salle is in serious financial jeopardy. Prior to the current academic year enrollment has been in steady decline and competition for students is gettting more challenging as high school enrollment in La Salle’s primary recruitment geography is stagnant (public schools) to declining (Catholic schools). They’re selling off art and closing their museum to raise money. However, I know for a fact that La Salle is not contemplating dropping to D3. That option was the result of the consultants making sure all options are reviewed.

La Salle is really caught in a bind. They don’t have the money to have A10 level facilities or coaching salaries which means that they are generally not competitive. That’s especially true in men’s basketball where they’ve had one NCCA bid in 22 years in the A10. Moving back to the MAAC would save them some money and they’d be more competitive. However, it would hinder their ability to increase the number of students enrolling from Mid-Atlantic states which the administration sees as crucial to the university’s survival.

I think sticking it out in the A10 is the most likely outcome for now, but this is an issue that isn’t going to go away for La Salle absent tens of millions of dollars in donations that are extremely unlikely to materialize in the near future.

What's utterly shocking to me is how invisible they are locally when it comes to advertising. You don't see them on billboards, you don't hear about them on the radio, and you don't see them on television. Go online, and they aren't popping up on ads.

Some area schools, like Widener, Wilmington, DeSales, and even Holy Family, who all struggle(d) for eyes and filling seats, started to fixate on recruiting the non-traditional populations, non-completers, and working professionals. Those were already schools like Temple and Peirce's bread and butter, as well as the county community colleges. La Salle just isn't there.

I suspect they just still believe in the traditional recruiting methods. Go to high schools, set up a booth, and talk to kids. Want a Masters? You'll find them at a booth at other schools' fairs, traditional job fairs, and the like. They still utilize some of the traditional methods for graduate program enrollment. I was looking at MBA programs some time ago, and while most of the majors still expected you to go the route of the GRE/GMAT, GPA requirements, etc., some of the others waived these requirements, including Villanova and St. Joe's...who have fantastic graduate programs and are still extremely competitive in certain disciplines. When reviewing La Salle, it was like I was back in the 90's or early 00's, and you were applying the same way for them as if you were applying to Wharton, Rutgers, or Smeal...schools who "need" the exams because their recruitment base is international, and applicant pool is massive, and STILL don't care if you're an hourly or in the c-suite, where the test can be waived based on experience.

It's not looking good there. They slashed tuition costs, but, that's not something sustainable. Next would be forcing out the lifer staff/admin employees who clog salary lines...they don't go screaming to the Chronicle to out the awful conditions of a place like the faculty do, but you don't see profs working in operations keeping the school functioning daily. It can't stay that way.

LaSalle is the THIRD most recognized Catholic school in Philadelphia. They just don't have a product that differentiates very well beyond that either. If you want a public education in Philly, you can go to Temple. If you want a private education, you can go to Nova, or St Josephs or Drexel (which, for whatever reason, has done an excellent job in gaining and retaining enrollment). LaSalle will survive as an institution, but they're really not making the case that what they provide is really unique. Completely smothered in every direction. What is their niche? What is their target market?

The real up and coming institution in that metro is Drexel.
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(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.
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(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

1995 was the year of the big switch in the A-10. WVU and Rutgers got poached to the Big East. The league went out and recruited Xavier, VT, Dayton, LaSalle, and Fordham. They were kind of doing the marketz game, but they did take care to get some good programs at the time. Both LaSalle and Fordham had been doing okay, and they promised to spend. All in all, it wasn't that bad of a move. We got Dayton, and we kept Xavier for 18 very productive years, which helped us recruit VCU, Richmond, and St Louis. So we've got some struggling teams in the league. I'd rather Fordham and Duquesne be gone, but they're really not hurting anyone by being in the league.
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(01-29-2018 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.

The men were in it longer than the women. The ND women were part of a womens North Star league. Notre Dame was an independent before the Horizon started, but then all independents realized they needed to be part of an autobid conference, as they were not getting at large bids as independents any more.
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(01-29-2018 11:35 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.

The men were in it longer than the women. The ND women were part of a womens North Star league. Notre Dame was an independent before the Horizon started, but then all independents realized they needed to be part of an autobid conference, as they were not getting at large bids as independents any more.

ND's men never played basketball in the MCC.
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(01-29-2018 11:41 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:35 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.

The men were in it longer than the women. The ND women were part of a womens North Star league. Notre Dame was an independent before the Horizon started, but then all independents realized they needed to be part of an autobid conference, as they were not getting at large bids as independents any more.

ND's men never played basketball in the MCC.

Nope. We’ve got some fake history going on here.
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(01-29-2018 11:41 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:35 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.

The men were in it longer than the women. The ND women were part of a womens North Star league. Notre Dame was an independent before the Horizon started, but then all independents realized they needed to be part of an autobid conference, as they were not getting at large bids as independents any more.

ND's men never played basketball in the MCC.
Looked it up. Notre Dame mbb wasnt in a conference until the Big East. But the men's programs other than fb and mbb were in the Horizon.
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(01-29-2018 11:41 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:35 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.

The men were in it longer than the women. The ND women were part of a womens North Star league. Notre Dame was an independent before the Horizon started, but then all independents realized they needed to be part of an autobid conference, as they were not getting at large bids as independents any more.

ND's men never played basketball in the MCC.

IIRC, Notre Dame did have some sort of scheduling deal with the MCC for basketball (short of membership - no idea how many games it was for - it might not have been many) and was a member of the conference for some sports...so that might be the origin of the confusion regarding Notre Dame and the MCC http://www.und.com/genrel/070113aac.html
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(01-27-2018 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 07:09 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 05:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 05:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 03:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If this happens and LaSalle ends up somewhere else does that open up a slot in the A10 for Old Dominion?

Normally I wouldn't think a university which has all of its sports in a G5 conference would move out of a G5 and put its sports into a non-FB conference. It has to be a special case.

BYU to the WCC so BYU can go independent and sell its football TV rights.
UConn to the BE considered because of MSG and rivalries.

With VCU, GMU and Richmond all in the A10 I could see where ODU would consider a move there, especially with the next CUSA school 6 hours away and the lack of national TV deal with CUSA.

Being an FB Indy in the east is becoming more viable with Army, UMass and Liberty all independent.

There are people on the ODU board that would jump out of their skin to throw themselves at a deal like that, and it's understandable. But ODU approached the A-10 when it appeared that the CAA was about to destabilize a few years ago and were told thanks but not thanks. I swear on a stack of AP Style books that this story was published, but the original piece about VCU and George Mason being A-10 targets noted that ODU wasn't a consideration out of fear that they'd elevate their football to FBS and become a flight risk (oddly enough, if the story about the A-10 turning ODU down is true, they ended up being part of the impetus for a move up themselves).

But even if the A-10 did an about-face, an FBS indy schedule isn't easy to build by any stretch, even taking into account the presence of Eastern indy programs. The CUSA, warts and all, is still more stable than football independence as of now and I think that ultimately informs ODU's decision making.
Should not ODU want the American now? The A-10 is not exactly an upcame move even if VCU and George Mason have done it?

The A-10 is leaps and bounds ahead of C-USA in basketball. ODU may choose to stay in C-USA if they ever were invited to the A-10 but that’s solely because of football. For other sports, it would be a no-brainer move for them.
My point seems to have been missed. ODU should vastly prefer the AAC over the A-10, as it gives better competition for its both its major sports. The A-10 should be totally off ODU's radar.

It is and your probably right. I don't think the A10 is interested because of our FBS football and I don't think our admin would be interested in Indy FB. That doesn't stop fans from theorizing and we tend to have too much time on our hands on our home board but Cyniclone is correct, there are plenty on our board that would jump on an A10 invite whether it means indy FB or moving back to FCS. These are the more BB centric and also those that lament on not being able to go to away games and have to explain to your coworkers who's in your conference. If the AAC were an option these same people would jump on that as well. It's message board talk but many of our fans miss the regional basketball oriented CAA so it's not surprising to see us welcome an A10 move.
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(01-29-2018 12:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:41 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:35 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:22 AM)NoDak Wrote:  LaSalle left the MAAC to go to the Midwestern City conference (Horizon) back when it had Notre Dame, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, Duquense etc. That only lasted a few years, but remember thinking that was a strange alliance geographically. Predominantly Catholic, but not east enough. Than an A-10 invite came and Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, and Va Tech joined too.

The MAAC is hardly recognizable from those days.

I don't think Notre Dame's men's team was in that league. I'm pretty sure they were independent.

The men were in it longer than the women. The ND women were part of a womens North Star league. Notre Dame was an independent before the Horizon started, but then all independents realized they needed to be part of an autobid conference, as they were not getting at large bids as independents any more.

ND's men never played basketball in the MCC.

IIRC, Notre Dame did have some sort of scheduling deal with the MCC for basketball (short of membership - no idea how many games it was for - it might not have been many) and was a member of the conference for some sports...so that might be the origin of the confusion regarding Notre Dame and the MCC http://www.und.com/genrel/070113aac.html
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Don't remember ND having any scheduling arrangements with the MCC, although they did play home-homes with Marquette, DePaul and Dayton throughout the mid-80s, since they were the last of the major midwest independents. Nothing to do with MCC. DePaul wasn't in the MCC. Marquette was only in for 2-3 years (depending on the team).
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(01-28-2018 11:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I know that the OP is probably just the messenger, but entire premise of this thread is so bogus that it’s annoying. Schools don’t willingly drop down to lower tier conferences, particularly under the guise of winning more. All that winning in a lower tier conference does is increase the desire to move up to a better conference, which means that it never makes sense to leave the better conference in the first place. Absolutely no sane university president makes this type of move in today’s conference realignment landscape. Living in the best neighborhood possible is all that matters, so you’d rather have the worst house in a better neighborhood than a mansion in a worse neighborhood. LaSalle isn’t going anywhere unless it’s to the Big East (which obviously isn’t happening). They certainly aren’t going to an inferior league. This is how crappy rumors that get fans unnecessarily into a tizzy get started.


While I agree that presidents are always going to buy as much house as they can afford you still have to make the mortgage payment.

The USA Today numbers for A10 suggests that a budget of around $20 million or more is the norm in A10.

They averaged just under 2300 per game and presumably some portion is students paying discounted ticket prices or attending free.

Tuition is producing around $105 million a year before housing and meals and assuming no discounts or scholarships (except endowed).

I think it is very plausible that La Salle cannot afford a budget that is competitive.


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RE: LaSalle rumor
(01-29-2018 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 11:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I know that the OP is probably just the messenger, but entire premise of this thread is so bogus that it’s annoying. Schools don’t willingly drop down to lower tier conferences, particularly under the guise of winning more. All that winning in a lower tier conference does is increase the desire to move up to a better conference, which means that it never makes sense to leave the better conference in the first place. Absolutely no sane university president makes this type of move in today’s conference realignment landscape. Living in the best neighborhood possible is all that matters, so you’d rather have the worst house in a better neighborhood than a mansion in a worse neighborhood. LaSalle isn’t going anywhere unless it’s to the Big East (which obviously isn’t happening). They certainly aren’t going to an inferior league. This is how crappy rumors that get fans unnecessarily into a tizzy get started.


While I agree that presidents are always going to buy as much house as they can afford you still have to make the mortgage payment.

The USA Today numbers for A10 suggests that a budget of around $20 million or more is the norm in A10.

They averaged just under 2300 per game and presumably some portion is students paying discounted ticket prices or attending free.

Tuition is producing around $105 million a year before housing and meals and assuming no discounts or scholarships (except endowed).

I think it is very plausible that La Salle cannot afford a budget that is competitive.


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And A-10 revenue, while higher than mid major conferences, is not 20 million a year. Its not even close. At my A-10 school, half the attendance was students, who got in for no incremental revenue. The good news? Students actually attended the games. Bad news? At LaSalle, there aren't a whole lot of students to begin with. And LaSalle, suffering through decades of bad seasons, and in the same city as Villanova, Temple, Drexel, Penn, and St Josephs, is unlikely to have much local support. LaSalle does have that NCAA Championship banner hanging in its rafters....but beyond that, its really small, its really poor, and it really hasn't done much in the A-10.

What are they getting for that likely 10+ million dollar deficit each year? I just don't see it make much sense for them. They've fallen further behind St Josephs, which appears to be a much better fit.
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RE: LaSalle rumor
(01-29-2018 08:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  While I agree that presidents are always going to buy as much house as they can afford you still have to make the mortgage payment.

No you don't. The house is paid for.

Quote:I think it is very plausible that La Salle cannot afford a budget that is competitive.

Then they won't be competitive. They'll still be in the A-10 though.
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