More whataboutulaism.

Trump cried Fake News when it was absolutely true.

That’s very dangerous. You can go down line by line and dispute your points about Obama’s. Give me one because I don’t have the time to go and back check every rabbit hole. Pick one lie from your list and I will dispute it. It was not a lie.

Quote:Former Obama speechwriters laugh at 'you can keep your plan' promise.

The Obama administration reportedly knew in 2010 that 50-75 percent of the 14 million people in the United States who buy their insurance individually would probably receive cancellation letters, NBC News reported at the time.

On Nov. 7, 2013, Obama went on television to apologize for the mass cancellations.

Later, on Dec. 12, 2013, the fact-checking website PolitiFact gave President Obama the "Lie of the Year" award for promising repeatedly that people who liked their insurance could "keep it".

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former...le/2590943

What say you Mach?

(01-28-2018 02:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Pick one lie from your list and I will dispute it.

Quote:“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”

In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not “specifically” referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a “JV squad.” But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president’s interview with the New Yorker, and it’s clear that’s who the president was referencing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...a7ec2b5a04

Quote:SEPT. 7, 2014.“I wasn’t specifically referring to ISIL” (He was.)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...worse.html

Which one the lie of 2016 or Jv team?

Pick one. I’m going to do the research on a pc. Not this phone. Give me 24 hours. Pick your lie. I’ll give you to 11 tonight. I’ll have my reply by Tuesday morning.

Quote:Obama said on national tv that the NSA did not spy on americans.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-secur...ma-era-nsa

Quote:The National Security Agency and FBI violated specific civil liberty protections during the Obama administration by improperly searching and disseminating raw intelligence on Americans or failing to promptly delete unauthorized intercepts, according to newly declassified memos that provide some of the richest detail to date on the spy agencies’ ability to obey their own rules.

Quote:For instance, the government admitted improperly searching the NSA’s foreign intercept data on multiple occasions, including one instance in which an analyst ran the same search query about an American “every work day” for a period between 2013 and 2014.

There also were several instances in which Americans’ unmasked names were improperly shared inside the intelligence community without being redacted, a violation of the so-called minimization procedures that Obama loosened in 2011 that are supposed to protect Americans' identity from disclosure when they are intercepted without a warrant. Numerous times improperly unmasked information about Americans had to be recalled and purged after the fact, the memos stated.

https://www.circa.com/story/2017/05/23/p...-for-years

Quote:The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.

Quote:More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.

The normally supportive court censured administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to an “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017.

(01-28-2018 04:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Pick one. I’m going to do the research on a pc. Not this phone. Give me 24 hours. Pick your lie. I’ll give you to 11 tonight. I’ll have my reply by Tuesday morning.

(01-28-2018 04:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Pick one.

I picked two from the list Mach, so you have a choice of which to research. Research one, research two, research both, I don't care.

When even the New York Slimes says the man was lying about both, I doubt you'll be able to come up with proof that he wasn't. Having said that, I hope you do the research. The results should be a riot.

(01-28-2018 01:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don’t lie and when you do that you get page after page of credible sources.


No **** when I do it for His name was Seth every link on the first page was to sell t-shirts. They make money off of buffoons. It’s so sad. Not one link or article. Conspiracy theories. It’s not a conspiracy that the Russians hacked the DNC.

You elected a habitual lying president that caters to people who want to be lied to.

I believe it is credible that the Russians hacked the DNC. I think there are grounds to prosecute anyone in the Trump campaign that got info from this..provided that can be found. I don't however believe for a second that the hacking impacted the election one iota. No one likes Hillary Clinton....She was a miserable failure in getting people to turn out to vote for her in the battleground states. It should embarrass any Democrat that they lost this election to Trump.

(01-27-2018 09:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  "Mueller?...Mueller?"

I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Wow look at all the credible sources he used to come to this conclusion.

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Are you seriously trying to say that the people who are pissed off because they lost the doctor or insurance plan actually got a better doctor and insurance plan under Obamacare?

(01-29-2018 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Are you seriously trying to say that the people who are pissed off because they lost the doctor or insurance plan actually got a better doctor and insurance plan under Obamacare?

I think so.

(01-29-2018 03:37 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Are you seriously trying to say that the people who are pissed off because they lost the doctor or insurance plan actually got a better doctor and insurance plan under Obamacare?

I think so.

ZEROcare was insanity on any level of logic for the ones that were working to support #FAMILY or any level of economics.....

it was simply a design that took advantage of a generation (boomers) to implement a design that would shut down the Xer's and the younger gens that couldn't afford the penalty....

what a fk'n joke.....

#socializedarsefokking

I'm paying about the same for a plan that covers less for three people that I was paying for a plan that covered more for four. I would be paying more if my oldest son wasn't under his own plan through the military.

Oh and I lost my doctor too. Wanted to keep him and that was what I was promised but that was as much BS as "if you like your plan you can keep your plan" or "The NSA is not spying on Americans" or "No boots on the ground in Syria"...or just about every other time that empty suit opened his mouth.

(01-29-2018 03:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm paying about the same for a plan that covers less for three people that I was paying for a plan that covered more for four. I would be paying more if my oldest son wasn't under his own plan through the military.

Oh and I lost my doctor too. Wanted to keep him and that was what I was promised but that was as much BS as "if you like your plan you can keep your plan" or "The NSA is not spying on Americans" or "No boots on the ground in Syria"...or just about every other time that empty suit opened his mouth.

it was a wealth siphon......that's all it was.....

(01-28-2018 12:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 12:42 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There is absolute proof it happened. Norway’s intelligence service had it and updated the Obama administration. They were watching Cozy Bear’s actions in real time. Owl 69. Please do me the favor of educating yourself. When you type that there is no evidence of Russia hacking the DNC it is so out of line. You are either willfully ignorant or intentionally misrepresenting the truth. Just google how the Russians hacked the DNC. Look up Norway’s intelligence service. You are a better poster than this. Either become educated or stop posting the nonsense the Russia didn’t hack the DNC.

So, you are basically saying that Obama was such an incompetent twit that he knew ahead of time about Cozy Bear, and was still unable to stop it?

Educate yourself. Every country on the planet, and most 13 year olds with skilz, likely hacked Clinton and the DNC servers.

But the one guy that leaked it to Wikileaks, well #HisNameIsSeth.

Not entirely. zerO took matters into his own hands and said rather sternly to Pootey-poot at one point to

“Knock it off”.

See? Problem solved!

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Quit reading at the end of sentence two.

Sheer, utter, non debatable, unmitigated bullschit.

They completely F#%^*ed me and my family and did it knowingly, intentionally and with that smartass dopey F#^*ing grin on his face.

Keep being a gruber, though.

(01-29-2018 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Are you seriously trying to say that the people who are pissed off because they lost the doctor or insurance plan actually got a better doctor and insurance plan under Obamacare?

Amazing.

My former, fully comprehensive plan that covered a 96,000$ surgery and hospital stay cost me 350$ for the hospital admittance some years ago.

A recent surgery and short hospital stay just cost me more than ten grand, and that’s on top of the 19 grand a year in premium payments.

Talk about “educating yourself”.

Trust me when I say this Mach, you’re waaaay out over your skis on this one and quite literally have NO idea what you’re talking about. None.

(01-29-2018 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Are you seriously trying to say that the people who are pissed off because they lost the doctor or insurance plan actually got a better doctor and insurance plan under Obamacare?

Hard enough to get a liberal to admit that Obama lied. I say we quit while we're ahead.