UConn, like so many, is just a victim in this game of musical chairs. When the music stopped, they didn't have a seat. And they should, at least in basketball. Along with BYU, they're the only ones who should.

(02-23-2018 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  It depends on how you define "hurt" by realignment.

BYU is a loser if you look at it from the 2009 lens of playing in a football conference that had 2 or 3 top-25 teams annually and was on the verge of qualifying for the BCS exemption, with the Thanksgiving weekend game against its primary rival. Similar analysis when compared to the MWC basketball conference that had perennially ranked teams with SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, Utah and BYU and multiple NCAA tournament bids.

However, BYU is making more money than ever, has WAY better TV exposure and national fan access than ever possible in the MWC. And, Olympic sports play in a conference with like-minded institutions in states (including Utah) that cover more than 2/3 of the alumni base. And, its conference basketball champion played in the national championship game last year - gym-size notwithstanding.

When compared to the *current* status of the MWC and WAC, it's a no-brainer that BYU hasn't been "hurt." It avoided the situations that could have really hurt them.

I agree with you here. To your point, my pushback is this notion is BYU is on a list of top 10 schools to be hurt by realignment. The fact of the matter is that all of the members of the old MWC and WAC have suffered much more as a result of conference realignment than BYU.

Oh no doubt that the old WAC/MWC have been hurt by realignment more. It’s been catastrophic in fact. But BYU has been hurt too. The grudges that came out of that are visible today as BYU has H&H’s scheduled with far away NIU and ECU (4 games) UMASS (4 Games) instead of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St and New Mexico. Their long time historic regional rivals. I remember watching BYU play on tv vs UNLV and UNM. Those were big time games like the original CUSA Louisville/Cincinnati/Memphis Games.

BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

(02-23-2018 05:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  It depends on how you define "hurt" by realignment.

BYU is a loser if you look at it from the 2009 lens of playing in a football conference that had 2 or 3 top-25 teams annually and was on the verge of qualifying for the BCS exemption, with the Thanksgiving weekend game against its primary rival. Similar analysis when compared to the MWC basketball conference that had perennially ranked teams with SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, Utah and BYU and multiple NCAA tournament bids.

However, BYU is making more money than ever, has WAY better TV exposure and national fan access than ever possible in the MWC. And, Olympic sports play in a conference with like-minded institutions in states (including Utah) that cover more than 2/3 of the alumni base. And, its conference basketball champion played in the national championship game last year - gym-size notwithstanding.

When compared to the *current* status of the MWC and WAC, it's a no-brainer that BYU hasn't been "hurt." It avoided the situations that could have really hurt them.

I agree with you here. To your point, my pushback is this notion is BYU is on a list of top 10 schools to be hurt by realignment. The fact of the matter is that all of the members of the old MWC and WAC have suffered much more as a result of conference realignment than BYU.

Oh no doubt that the old WAC/MWC have been hurt by realignment more. It’s been catastrophic in fact. But BYU has been hurt too. The grudges that came out of that are visible today as BYU has H&H’s scheduled with far away NIU and ECU (4 games) UMASS (4 Games) instead of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St and New Mexico. Their long time historic regional rivals. I remember watching BYU play on tv vs UNLV and UNM. Those were big time games like the original CUSA Louisville/Cincinnati/Memphis Games.

BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

?
Boy if the bulk of the LDS population doesn’t live in MWC country then the religion is tiny as I knew exactly 1 Mormon growing up in Iowa, and 0 living in North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma....that’s right, not one single one in those 3 states. And the attitude people outside of the mountain west have towards Mormons is by default...well not positive in my experience. I suppose BYU playing football games in Massachusetts and Dekalb will help remedy this situation?

(02-23-2018 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  It depends on how you define "hurt" by realignment.

BYU is a loser if you look at it from the 2009 lens of playing in a football conference that had 2 or 3 top-25 teams annually and was on the verge of qualifying for the BCS exemption, with the Thanksgiving weekend game against its primary rival. Similar analysis when compared to the MWC basketball conference that had perennially ranked teams with SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, Utah and BYU and multiple NCAA tournament bids.

However, BYU is making more money than ever, has WAY better TV exposure and national fan access than ever possible in the MWC. And, Olympic sports play in a conference with like-minded institutions in states (including Utah) that cover more than 2/3 of the alumni base. And, its conference basketball champion played in the national championship game last year - gym-size notwithstanding.

When compared to the *current* status of the MWC and WAC, it's a no-brainer that BYU hasn't been "hurt." It avoided the situations that could have really hurt them.

I agree with you here. To your point, my pushback is this notion is BYU is on a list of top 10 schools to be hurt by realignment. The fact of the matter is that all of the members of the old MWC and WAC have suffered much more as a result of conference realignment than BYU.

Oh no doubt that the old WAC/MWC have been hurt by realignment more. It’s been catastrophic in fact. But BYU has been hurt too. The grudges that came out of that are visible today as BYU has H&H’s scheduled with far away NIU and ECU (4 games) UMASS (4 Games) instead of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St and New Mexico. Their long time historic regional rivals. I remember watching BYU play on tv vs UNLV and UNM. Those were big time games like the original CUSA Louisville/Cincinnati/Memphis Games.

BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

?
Boy if the bulk of the LDS population doesn’t live in MWC country then the religion is tiny as I knew exactly 1 Mormon growing up in Iowa, and 0 living in North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma....that’s right, not one single one in those 3 states. And the attitude people outside of the mountain west have towards Mormons is by default...well not positive in my experience. I suppose BYU playing football games in Massachusetts and Dekalb will help remedy this situation?

Anecdotally, I'm from Connecticut and went to school with a couple Mormons. Not a ton, but some.

(02-23-2018 05:54 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I agree with you here. To your point, my pushback is this notion is BYU is on a list of top 10 schools to be hurt by realignment. The fact of the matter is that all of the members of the old MWC and WAC have suffered much more as a result of conference realignment than BYU.

Oh no doubt that the old WAC/MWC have been hurt by realignment more. It’s been catastrophic in fact. But BYU has been hurt too. The grudges that came out of that are visible today as BYU has H&H’s scheduled with far away NIU and ECU (4 games) UMASS (4 Games) instead of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St and New Mexico. Their long time historic regional rivals. I remember watching BYU play on tv vs UNLV and UNM. Those were big time games like the original CUSA Louisville/Cincinnati/Memphis Games.

BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

?
Boy if the bulk of the LDS population doesn’t live in MWC country then the religion is tiny as I knew exactly 1 Mormon growing up in Iowa, and 0 living in North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma....that’s right, not one single one in those 3 states. And the attitude people outside of the mountain west have towards Mormons is by default...well not positive in my experience. I suppose BYU playing football games in Massachusetts and Dekalb will help remedy this situation?

Anecdotally, I'm from Connecticut and went to school with a couple Mormons. Not a ton, but some.

I’m sure you did. Everyone knows a couple Mormons. Interesting that we would never say we know a couple Catholics or a couple Lutherans or a couple Baptists. That’s my point. In the West, The LDS Church is a prominent church. From Hawaii and California through Nevada and Arizona. It stops in North Central New Mexico though...Enter into non-Mountain States like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and the line becomes clear where the LDS members live. I’m happy ECU got a H&H with BYU but I’d prefer our regional historic rivals in the ACC and West Virginia though....

There are some LDS members in the town I grew up in up the road.

(02-22-2018 11:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

The Orginal CUSA was the strongest CUSA 1995-2005.
CUSA 2.0 (05-13) was still strong.
CUSA 3.0 is nothing compared to what is was after losing
1 Louisville, 2 Cincinnati , 3 USF 4 Marquette 5 St Louis 6 Depaul 7 Houston 8 SMU 9 Tulane 10 Tulsa 11 UCF 12 ECU 13 Memphis 14 Charlotte
CUSA lost 14 schools from 2005-2014! Then added 10 recent start ups from all the country including the retaking of Charlotte and its start up football team and UAB after they dropped football. CUSA is the least stable of the 10 FBS conferences IMO. I will come on here and tell you CUSA is an inferior conference because it is.

You are comparing this version of C-USA with past versions. That isn't an honest assessment of the overall relative quality of the conference. That is like comparing the AAC to the old Big East, or the current MWC to the version with BYU, TCU, and Utah. All of the G5 conferences are weaker, not just C-USA. In truth, after the last round of realignment, no conference was a bigger loser then the AAC. They were pushed out of the power conferences and even lost their name. They remain outside the power conferences, despite their efforts campaign for inclusion.

The current C-USA line-up is a solid group when compared to the other current G5 conferences. No, we are not the best, but we were certainly no worse then a middle of the pack G5 conference last season. Certainly not inferior to the other G5s.

LDS owns Deseret Ranch. It spreads over the three central Florida counties of Osceola, Orange, and Brevard. Covering almost 300,000 acres of land, 90 ranchers and their families live on the ranch. The ranch maintains 44,000 head of beef cattle. Currently, Deseret Ranches is the largest cow-calf ranch in the United States.

Doesn't mean a huge Mormon population in Fl though.

(02-23-2018 10:34 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:25 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

uh, your title was last decade. So for teams in the last 10 years....
would agree with you on UConn and Cincy. And New Mexico St and BYU. And USF.

For UTEP, Rice, Southern Miss, Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St, and Air Force- they are down, but no where near as much as the other 5..

For Temple- 10 years ago they were in the MAC/A10. They are in a much better situation now.
For ECU- 10 years ago they were in CUSA- who was 3rd behind MWC and WAC at that point. Now they are in the AAC who is the unquestioned top non P5 conference.... now if this was 25 year frame, it's a different story. But it's not.

I should of put a different qualifier like who’s been impacted by realignment since the SWC disbanded in 1996. My whole point was to not include that. The post SWC breakup world?

Well if you go to that timeline its
1 Houston
2 Rice
3 SMU
4 Temple (who was in BE at that point in time)
5 Idaho (back where they were but without several rivals)

That's a whole lot of teams.

(02-23-2018 06:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:54 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Oh no doubt that the old WAC/MWC have been hurt by realignment more. It’s been catastrophic in fact. But BYU has been hurt too. The grudges that came out of that are visible today as BYU has H&H’s scheduled with far away NIU and ECU (4 games) UMASS (4 Games) instead of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St and New Mexico. Their long time historic regional rivals. I remember watching BYU play on tv vs UNLV and UNM. Those were big time games like the original CUSA Louisville/Cincinnati/Memphis Games.

BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

?
Boy if the bulk of the LDS population doesn’t live in MWC country then the religion is tiny as I knew exactly 1 Mormon growing up in Iowa, and 0 living in North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma....that’s right, not one single one in those 3 states. And the attitude people outside of the mountain west have towards Mormons is by default...well not positive in my experience. I suppose BYU playing football games in Massachusetts and Dekalb will help remedy this situation?

Anecdotally, I'm from Connecticut and went to school with a couple Mormons. Not a ton, but some.

I’m sure you did. Everyone knows a couple Mormons. Interesting that we would never say we know a couple Catholics or a couple Lutherans or a couple Baptists. That’s my point. In the West, The LDS Church is a prominent church. From Hawaii and California through Nevada and Arizona. It stops in North Central New Mexico though...Enter into non-Mountain States like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and the line becomes clear where the LDS members live. I’m happy ECU got a H&H with BYU but I’d prefer our regional historic rivals in the ACC and West Virginia though....

The Mormon Corridor is centered on the on the western mountains. Obviously Utah is the epicenter. It runs North from Northern Mexico up into Alberta Canada. The corridor spreads west across Nevada and southeastern California and east across the western halves of New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. Outside of the corridor, there are only a couple of islands of Mormonism to the east, but for some reason Pacific islanders really took the the religion. Hence the reason so many Hawaiians and Samoans end up playing for BYU.

(02-23-2018 10:11 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:54 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

?
Boy if the bulk of the LDS population doesn’t live in MWC country then the religion is tiny as I knew exactly 1 Mormon growing up in Iowa, and 0 living in North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma....that’s right, not one single one in those 3 states. And the attitude people outside of the mountain west have towards Mormons is by default...well not positive in my experience. I suppose BYU playing football games in Massachusetts and Dekalb will help remedy this situation?

Anecdotally, I'm from Connecticut and went to school with a couple Mormons. Not a ton, but some.

I’m sure you did. Everyone knows a couple Mormons. Interesting that we would never say we know a couple Catholics or a couple Lutherans or a couple Baptists. That’s my point. In the West, The LDS Church is a prominent church. From Hawaii and California through Nevada and Arizona. It stops in North Central New Mexico though...Enter into non-Mountain States like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and the line becomes clear where the LDS members live. I’m happy ECU got a H&H with BYU but I’d prefer our regional historic rivals in the ACC and West Virginia though....

The Mormon Corridor is centered on the on the western mountains. Obviously Utah is the epicenter. It runs North from Northern Mexico up into Alberta Canada. The corridor spreads west across Nevada and southeastern California and east across the western halves of New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. Outside of the corridor, there are only a couple of islands of Mormonism to the east, but for some reason Pacific islanders really took the the religion. Hence the reason so many Hawaiians and Samoans end up playing for BYU.

That's because during their westward migration, some Mormons didn't stop at Utah and kept going to Hawaii.

(02-22-2018 11:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  11 Wilmington
12 William&Mary
13 Hofstra

I'm a Hofstra fan. What makes you say that about CAA teams? Wilmington made the last two Men's Basketball Tournaments. William & Mary has never made one, and Hofstra hasn't made one in the CAA, so they haven't made more or fewer tournaments after Old Dominion, George Mason, Virginia Commonwealth, and Georgia State left. The CAA is still good at basketball for both genders, and it didn't get many Men's Basketball at-large bids before teams left. Hofstra and Northeastern have a lot of conference travel and don't have travel expenses offset by great attendance like Syracuse does. The CAA isn't perfect for Hofstra, but there's no conference I want Hofstra to go to. Even if the Atlantic 10 would take Hofstra, I would hate to be in a conference with that many teams, and there would still be a lot of travel. The MAAC, which is the best geographic fit, has 8 out of 11 schools be Christian.

(02-23-2018 10:11 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:54 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  BYU sees this as a massive benefit. The whole point of independence has been exposure and fan access.

BYU doesn't have a lot of alumni or fans in the Front Range. Less than 4% of BYU's alumni come from Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico...only about 200K LDS (3% of the US LDS population).

....but half of their MWC conference schedule had games in that footprint.

As an independent, BYU is able to get a truly national schedule. BYU gets better exposure and takes the teams to fans and alumni in each region of the country.

In the last 5 seasons:

- Midwest: Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St., Nebraska, Missouri, Cincinnati,
PLUS upcoming with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Toledo, NIU

- Southeast: Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Georgia Tech, UCF, ECU, Middle Tennessee, Miami Beach bowl,
PLUS upcoming with Tennessee, USF, NC State, Georgia Southern

- Mid-Atlantic/NE: Virginia, WVU in Maryland, UConn,
PLUS upcoming with Virginia, Virginia Tech, UMass, Liberty

- Texas: Texas, Houston, LSU (supposed to be in Houston),
PLUS upcoming with Baylor, Houston

- Pacific: Cal, UCLA, Arizona, SJSU, Fresno St., Hawaii,
PLUS upcoming with USC, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, SDSU, Hawaii

- Mountain/Regional: Utah, Utah St. and Boise St. are annual games, plus UNLV, Arizona in Las Vegas.

?
Boy if the bulk of the LDS population doesn’t live in MWC country then the religion is tiny as I knew exactly 1 Mormon growing up in Iowa, and 0 living in North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma....that’s right, not one single one in those 3 states. And the attitude people outside of the mountain west have towards Mormons is by default...well not positive in my experience. I suppose BYU playing football games in Massachusetts and Dekalb will help remedy this situation?

Anecdotally, I'm from Connecticut and went to school with a couple Mormons. Not a ton, but some.

I’m sure you did. Everyone knows a couple Mormons. Interesting that we would never say we know a couple Catholics or a couple Lutherans or a couple Baptists. That’s my point. In the West, The LDS Church is a prominent church. From Hawaii and California through Nevada and Arizona. It stops in North Central New Mexico though...Enter into non-Mountain States like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and the line becomes clear where the LDS members live. I’m happy ECU got a H&H with BYU but I’d prefer our regional historic rivals in the ACC and West Virginia though....

The Mormon Corridor is centered on the on the western mountains. Obviously Utah is the epicenter. It runs North from Northern Mexico up into Alberta Canada. The corridor spreads west across Nevada and southeastern California and east across the western halves of New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. Outside of the corridor, there are only a couple of islands of Mormonism to the east, but for some reason Pacific islanders really took the the religion. Hence the reason so many Hawaiians and Samoans end up playing for BYU.

This is absolutely correct ^ every Mormon I met in the Army was Samaon except 1 guy from Utah. This includes my ex-wife, who was Mormon from Hawaii. The church does a fabulous job recruiting in Hawaii and the islands. The corridor out there they called the pacific rim pipeline I believe.

(02-24-2018 09:51 AM)EvanJ Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  11 Wilmington
12 William&Mary
13 Hofstra

I'm a Hofstra fan. What makes you say that about CAA teams? Wilmington made the last two Men's Basketball Tournaments. William & Mary has never made one, and Hofstra hasn't made one in the CAA, so they haven't made more or fewer tournaments after Old Dominion, George Mason, Virginia Commonwealth, and Georgia State left. The CAA is still good at basketball for both genders, and it didn't get many Men's Basketball at-large bids before teams left. Hofstra and Northeastern have a lot of conference travel and don't have travel expenses offset by great attendance like Syracuse does. The CAA isn't perfect for Hofstra, but there's no conference I want Hofstra to go to. Even if the Atlantic 10 would take Hofstra, I would hate to be in a conference with that many teams, and there would still be a lot of travel. The MAAC, which is the best geographic fit, has 8 out of 11 schools be Christian.

On a side note, you guys got screwed the year George Mason went to the Final Four.

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Comes off as just another AAC "we're the tallest midget" post ripping on C-USA. Billybobby is a better poster than that.

(02-24-2018 12:46 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Comes off as just another AAC "we're the tallest midget" post ripping on C-USA. Billybobby is a better poster than that.

I mentioned several AAC/MWC/CUSA schools including my own, a SB school and BYU in this post who got screwed by realignment. 2 of the top 3 screwed were AAC schools followed by NM St. To make this about making it about ripping on CUSA is not what this is about. If I would have left Rice, UTEP and USM off my list I suspect I would be accused of the same thing.

(02-24-2018 02:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 12:46 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Comes off as just another AAC "we're the tallest midget" post ripping on C-USA. Billybobby is a better poster than that.

I mentioned several AAC/MWC/CUSA schools including my own, a SB school and BYU in this post who got screwed by realignment. 2 of the top 3 screwed were AAC schools followed by NM St. To make this about making it about ripping on CUSA is not what this is about. If I would have left Rice, UTEP and USM off my list I suspect I would be accused of the same thing.

It comes off as a post ripping C-USA because you go out of your way to label C-USA as an "awful conference"... twice.

C-USA had a good deal of success last season. Of course our fans will take exception to your opinion.

(02-24-2018 05:26 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 02:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 12:46 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Comes off as just another AAC "we're the tallest midget" post ripping on C-USA. Billybobby is a better poster than that.

I mentioned several AAC/MWC/CUSA schools including my own, a SB school and BYU in this post who got screwed by realignment. 2 of the top 3 screwed were AAC schools followed by NM St. To make this about making it about ripping on CUSA is not what this is about. If I would have left Rice, UTEP and USM off my list I suspect I would be accused of the same thing.

It comes off as a post ripping C-USA because you go out of your way to label C-USA as an "awful conference"... twice.

C-USA had a good deal of success last season. Of course our fans will take exception to your opinion.

Ok. I'm going to remove awful out of that. That wasn't cool of me. I admit it.