(01-25-2018 10:27 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Evans helpside D is like a spider catching flies. It’s the best I have ever seen. He causes more strips and jump balls in the lane on drives than anyone in the game.

That's what is going to make him an NBA mainstay. The dude's elite on and off ball on the defensive side of the court and can guard 1-3, couple with the fact that he can shoot at a 48/42/80 line, he'll be a solid rotational guy for years if he can move that to the NBA. Someone is going to get a steal in the late first/early second with him, and that's not the UC fan in me talking. He's shooting 40% from three on his career while averaging near 4.5 attempts a game and I'd love to see his adjusted defensive rating...it's probably off the charts.

(01-25-2018 10:27 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Evans helpside D is like a spider catching flies. It’s the best I have ever seen. He causes more strips and jump balls in the lane on drives than anyone in the game.

I was thinking the same thing last night. Between those strips and tie ups he had last night and the blocks he's had this year he's as good an off the ball defender as I've seen. His defensive versatility is going to make him very valuable in the NBA, just hope it's two years from now.

Still vote Gary MVP though because I have more confidence in Jarron picking up the slack on the perimeter if something happened to Jacob versus relying on Kyle to pick up the defense and rebounding inside consistently. Very lucky to have both.

I think it is incredibly cool that we can even have this debate for a team that is as good as UC is this year. Both of them were excellent last night in different ways, and Temple is not Coppin State.

I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

(01-25-2018 03:54 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

Be nice if he started hitting open jumpers again. He hit them pretty consistently early but has seemingly been ice cold. He does everything else well, but it would really help if capitalized more when he had a shot.

Jennifer made the guards from Temple break out into hives last night.

(01-25-2018 03:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:54 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

Be nice if he started hitting open jumpers again. He hit them pretty consistently early but has seemingly been ice cold. He does everything else well, but it would really help if capitalized more when he had a shot.

Yep, even if JJ is just hitting 2 or 3 shots per game it would keep an opponent guessing on defense. Knowing only 4 guys on the floor will shoot or score is limiting. Much better than the days when UC had 1 or 2 who could score, but when all 5 guys demonstrate the will and ability to shoot it creates real problems for any defensive scheme.

(01-25-2018 03:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:54 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

Be nice if he started hitting open jumpers again. He hit them pretty consistently early but has seemingly been ice cold. He does everything else well, but it would really help if capitalized more when he had a shot.

Cronin mentioned last night that he's been really happy with JJ but feels like he's pressing a little with his shot. Apparently he's been shooting great in practice.

He had 2 last night that went so far down I don't know how they rattled out.

Gary been reading the message boards. He's no longer going for layups at the rim. He's trying tear rim down every time now with dunks. highest rising draft prospect in college. could sneak into end of lottery

Gary’s just such an unselfish player. A little more selfishness and I think he can make it in the NBA.

(01-25-2018 05:01 PM)payday Wrote:  Gary’s just such an unselfish player. A little more selfishness and I think he can make it in the NBA.

He's lock for nba right now. He cleaned up his biggest weakness real quick. Instead of going for layups and missing them, he's starting to try dunk everything?

(01-25-2018 03:54 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

That's a great point on JJ. The guy brings the ball up the court with authority and seems to get where he and/or the ball needs to be. Pretty good on DEE too. I mentioned this in the Temple game thread but he is so strong with some quicks to boot. He's listed at 5'10" and a buck seventy-five but I wonder if he's really a tad shorter and a little heavier. Not a bad thing at all for what he's asked to do on the floor. He's really improved from last year IMO. Still has a Senior season yet to develop his game further.

(01-25-2018 08:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:54 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

That's a great point on JJ. The guy brings the ball up the court with authority and seems to get where he and/or the ball needs to be. Pretty good on DEE too. I mentioned this in the Temple game thread but he is so strong with some quicks to boot. He's listed at 5'10" and a buck seventy-five but I wonder if he's really a tad shorter and a little heavier. Not a bad thing at all for what he's asked to do on the floor. He's really improved from last year IMO. Still has a Senior season yet to develop his game further.

Jenifer plays good D and doesn't turn it over much. But he's scored zero points in three straight games. And he really doesn't get points for other guys. He's not like those pass-first PGs who can't score but still make the offense run.

Our 2 through 5 can compete with anyone in the country, I believe. I was hoping that Broome would grow into the PG role over the course of the year, but he hasn't really figured this level out yet. There's still some time, but it seems like our PG situation is going to be a big weakness. Cronin's gotten around it some by making Evans the main creator, but I'm still worried that it will bite us against a top team.

Has there been any attempt to make a calculation in BB similar to WAR in Baseball? WAR is if this player got injured and their team had to replace them with a freely available player from their bench, how much value would the team be losing?

To me that determines how valuable a player is?

between clark and evans, which player has performed best against other nba prospects at their positions? Im a go with Evans so far....

(01-26-2018 09:44 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 08:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:54 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I don't disagree with Clark #1 and Evans #2, but I remember thinking last night, "Where would this team be without Jennifer?" Would never have guessed before the season I would think that.

That's a great point on JJ. The guy brings the ball up the court with authority and seems to get where he and/or the ball needs to be. Pretty good on DEE too. I mentioned this in the Temple game thread but he is so strong with some quicks to boot. He's listed at 5'10" and a buck seventy-five but I wonder if he's really a tad shorter and a little heavier. Not a bad thing at all for what he's asked to do on the floor. He's really improved from last year IMO. Still has a Senior season yet to develop his game further.

Jenifer plays good D and doesn't turn it over much. But he's scored zero points in three straight games. And he really doesn't get points for other guys. He's not like those pass-first PGs who can't score but still make the offense run.

Our 2 through 5 can compete with anyone in the country, I believe. I was hoping that Broome would grow into the PG role over the course of the year, but he hasn't really figured this level out yet. There's still some time, but it seems like our PG situation is going to be a big weakness. Cronin's gotten around it some by making Evans the main creator, but I'm still worried that it will bite us against a top team.

No doubt Broome is the better scorer of the two and the stats bear that out. I think you can argue that Coach and his staff have two different options in JJ and CB that offers different looks and match up challenges for other teams. I don't think we have to get too concerned about JJ's POINTS production when we play the type of defense that we do and we have so many scoring options on this team. CB has tremendous upside, and he's been a spark coming off the bench, but he's got to work at it to keep getting better and I believe he will. Face it, even if CB was playing at an elite level for us at the point, when you get to the "one and done" NCAAT, even a less than elite team can beat you. Again, I don't see this as a liability, rather, a combo of two guys that have made the most of their shared/split minutes on the floor. We can play aggressive/up tempo despite fouls because of this depth. For comparison, here are some per game stats between the two:

Broome/Jenifer
FGA 6.1/4.4
FG% .464/.356
3PA 2.4/2.5
3P% .419/.347
FTA 2.3/1.9
FT% .707/.757
AST 3.3/2.8
STL 1.2/0.5
TOV 1.8/0.8
PTS 8.3/5.4

*EDIT: CB playing 19.9 minutes per game and JJ 21.1

(01-26-2018 09:44 AM)levydl Wrote:  Our 2 through 5 can compete with anyone in the country, I believe. I was hoping that Broome would grow into the PG role over the course of the year, but he hasn't really figured this level out yet. There's still some time, but it seems like our PG situation is going to be a big weakness.

What has been missing from his game that makes you feel this way? he really started to get in going at the beginning of december and then getting hurt at the end of the month set him back.


and while he was clearly slowed by the ankle vs smu, the past 4 games he has 17 assists and 4 turnovers. the team has been playing great while he's been at the point.


30.1 ARate on the season is very good, 35.3 ARate in conference is ridiculously good.


Past 4 games the team is +88 when he's on the court. Team is +1 in those 4 games with Jenifer on the court.

You better score in wheelbarrows rather than once or twice a game if your D is as regularly off as his is. He’s not scoring much of late...seems like he’s not looking to against teams that play decent D. He’s not even looking to get to the rim much anymore, either. I still think the plan is to get him more minutes as we head towards March but he really needs to pick it up against this level of competition.

(01-27-2018 03:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You better score in wheelbarrows rather than once or twice a game if your D is as regularly off as his is. He’s not scoring much of late...seems like he’s not looking to against teams that play decent D. He’s not even looking to get to the rim much anymore, either. I still think the plan is to get him more minutes as we head towards March but he really needs to pick it up against this level of competition.

thats from poor coaching. JJ probably more razzle dazzle than cane. Both go get pulled asap if they try go one on one and it fails. JJ just has learned dont even try it at all. The kis shoots 2-3 wide open shots a game and coach still said he's pressing. Cane has to just learn Mick ball or else right now. Mick has luxury of yelling and taking Cane out against teams we supposed to beat, like see how cane is coached in March when we down against a team with better players than us.