http://www.newsweek.com/steve-scalise-da...use-787914

Quote:The shutdown ended after McConnell agreed to bring a discussion on DACA to the Senate floor followed by a vote. But on Monday, Scalise—the House majority whip—said his chamber made no such arrangement.

"We're not going to pass a bill that has amnesty," he said. "There are things that would anger our base that I don’t see us passing in the House.”

Quote:“It’s good for everybody to put their ideas on paper, but ultimately there are things that can and cannot pass in the House," he told Politico. "And we have to work through those details, and we’re working through them.”

If Democrats' attempts to pass a significant immigration deal end up getting stymied in the House, then the shutdown will have been a complete failure.

Hope he's right. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded. If the left wants to make their stand putting illegal aliens ahead of American citizens then let them. It's their funeral.

What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

(01-23-2018 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

Mexico is a failed state. The cartels control large swaths of that country and the government is too weak and too corrupt to do anything about it. When a country loses control of territory and is unable to reclaim it they have failed.

And the instant you allow illegal aliens who are here to stay without threat of being deported is the instant that millions more bum rush the border and we become the failed state.

You make a good point. I'd add the caveat that if not completed by a date chosen, that's it and you're gone home.

Boom.

Signaling to lindsay grahamnesty. Don't send us some bullsh*t and allow the dems out of the hole they've put themselves in.

1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

(01-23-2018 01:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Boom.

Signaling to lindsay grahamnesty. Don't send us some bullsh*t and allow the dems out of the hole they've put themselves in.

Cucks Graham and Flake have been trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I knew they were going to throw everything they could at it when Corker joined them.

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

+ the wall, end to visa lottery, and end to chain migration.

Let's make a deal!

(01-23-2018 01:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

+ the wall, end to visa lottery, and end to chain migration.

Let's make a deal!

I knew I was forgetting something! I like it!

(01-23-2018 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

Just asking not being a proponent - Can DREAMERS become a citizen if say, they complete 6 years military service?? Is there anything they can do along those lines that would "put them in line to become a citizen"?

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

I could go along with 1 and 2. By crime, I assume you are talking things worse than a speeding/parking ticket sort of "crime"?

(01-23-2018 01:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

I could go along with 1 and 2. By crime, I assume you are talking things worse than a speeding/parking ticket sort of "crime"?

correct, no one is perfect. Once it gets to DWI/DUI status, or if they had shown a pattern of speeding/parking tickets, that would be a different ballgame.

(01-23-2018 01:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

I could go along with 1 and 2. By crime, I assume you are talking things worse than a speeding/parking ticket sort of "crime"?

correct, no one is perfect. Once it gets to DWI/DUI status, or if they had shown a pattern of speeding/parking tickets, that would be a different ballgame.

....or if they actually commit real crimes. Was just clarifying what I thought your meaning was....

(01-23-2018 01:47 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

I could go along with 1 and 2. By crime, I assume you are talking things worse than a speeding/parking ticket sort of "crime"?

correct, no one is perfect. Once it gets to DWI/DUI status, or if they had shown a pattern of speeding/parking tickets, that would be a different ballgame.

....or if they actually commit real crimes. Was just clarifying what I thought your meaning was....

well of course that too haha

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

I honestly think it's that simple....

but we're talking about politicians, eh?

no way you give them "unalienable rights".....

#PERIOD!!!

DJT isn't going to waiver on this one.....he actually toured the country and talked to people...

he's just gonna shove that size 12 up their arse one more time until they get it right.....

(01-23-2018 01:32 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

+ the wall, end to visa lottery, and end to chain migration.

Let's make a deal!

I knew I was forgetting something! I like it!

those were put on the table weeks ago.....

we all know the dems are begging for more votes.....

all this bs is nothing more than more political self preservation CYA.....

(01-23-2018 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

One add: Path to citizenship for anyone, including dreamers or other illegals, who serve in the military and receive an honorable discharge.

DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

(01-23-2018 08:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

And as I said in an earlier thread I'll actively work against any politician that votes for this.