(01-23-2018 08:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

Maybe the dems should shut down government over daca....lol

(01-23-2018 08:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

And as I said in an earlier thread I'll actively work against any politician that votes for this.

I don't think he means "full amnesty"....

he's not wrong.....I think we're basically on the same page....

DJT isn't going to negotiate this one.....if he does, I'll easily give him some serious shite....

he's already set the parameters......it's simply a matter of congress developing a solvent long term solution.....

he'll veto the shite out of it if it's not right when it hits his desk......

ol' boy ain' gonna dick around with this one.....'specially going into the midterms......

he's in a serious position of strength right now......

(01-23-2018 08:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

And as I said in an earlier thread I'll actively work against any politician that votes for this.

I mean lets just be honest unless McConnell is going to completely eliminate the filibuster there is no way any comprehensive immigration bill will get through the Senate without DACA. At the same time though Trump has played this brilliantly and he's going to be able to trade DACA (a program I don't actually think he has any issue with) to get pretty much everything on his agenda.

(01-23-2018 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

1. Ok, but only if they are sterilized first do they get permanent status.

2. Hell no.

3. Ok

4. Only if they are from North/South America. Let the Germans or Chinese take the Middle Eastern refugees.

5. Agree

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(01-23-2018 08:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

And as I said in an earlier thread I'll actively work against any politician that votes for this.

I mean lets just be honest unless McConnell is going to completely eliminate the filibuster there is no way any comprehensive immigration bill will get through the Senate without DACA.

I might be convinced for resident guest, but there should absolutely be no path for citizenship unless they serve in the military. Other than that....ship their ass out.

(01-23-2018 09:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  DACA Amnesty or whatever we are going to call it will happen, just a matter of will Trump and the GOP get everything else on their immigration wish list in exchange for it? My guess is probably pretty close to everything.

And as I said in an earlier thread I'll actively work against any politician that votes for this.

I mean lets just be honest unless McConnell is going to completely eliminate the filibuster there is no way any comprehensive immigration bill will get through the Senate without DACA.

I might be convinced for resident guest, but there should absolutely be no path for citizenship unless they serve in the military. Other than that....ship their ass out.

Just my opinion but I think there should be some sort of "path" to citizenship, but that part I don't really have a strong feeling about. Either way whether there's a path or no path what's going to happen is the DACA people will get to stay and the GOP is going to get the wall, end of chain migration, and probably most everything else they want because Trump played this perfectly.

Why would a third GOP POTUS give amnesty or voting rights to illegals, who vote against the GOP? Reagan and Bush 1 did this and the idiot brownies from C. America vote Dem. There is no way to know how many illegals vote in the USA. They need to make their countries great for the first time ever.

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

^this. I've said from day one that any of them between 18 and 27-30 can serve 4 years in the military and be leap-frogged to the head of the line for citizenship after serving their stint.

(01-24-2018 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

^this. I've said from day one that any of them between 18 and 27-30 can serve 4 years in the military and be leap-frogged to the head of the line for citizenship after serving their stint.

How is that fair to people trying to immigrate into this country the legal way?

I don't care if you serve 20 years in the military, if you came here illegally whether by choice or not, you're simply put into line. Punishing people going through the proper channels is wrong and you're disgusting if you truly support that.

(01-23-2018 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

Not sure why deporting millions of hard working law abiding aliens would cause Mexico to fail.

(01-24-2018 10:00 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

^this. I've said from day one that any of them between 18 and 27-30 can serve 4 years in the military and be leap-frogged to the head of the line for citizenship after serving their stint.

How is that fair to people trying to immigrate into this country the legal way?

I don't care if you serve 20 years in the military, if you came here illegally whether by choice or not, you're simply put into line. Punishing people going through the proper channels is wrong and you're disgusting if you truly support that.

I think you are missing the point here...

I think serving 4 years in the military should be the minimum requirement just to be allowed to be placed in the same line as others who entered the line legally. There's no breaking ahead in the line. If you want in the line, serve 4 years, dont do a crime, and we'll let you in the back of the line.

Otherwise, see ya.

(01-24-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 10:00 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

^this. I've said from day one that any of them between 18 and 27-30 can serve 4 years in the military and be leap-frogged to the head of the line for citizenship after serving their stint.

How is that fair to people trying to immigrate into this country the legal way?

I don't care if you serve 20 years in the military, if you came here illegally whether by choice or not, you're simply put into line. Punishing people going through the proper channels is wrong and you're disgusting if you truly support that.

I think you are missing the point here...

No, I don't think I am. You and the Memphis fellow want to place illegal aliens in line, ahead of those law-abiding immigrants going through the proper channels, by telling them if they only just serve in the military all will be forgiven.

That is truly a disgusting thought process. To reward illegals over those doing things the right way...legally. I'd expect that from Fit, but not from you and the Memphis fellow.

(01-24-2018 10:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I think serving 4 years in the military should be the minimum requirement just to be allowed to be placed in the same line as others who entered the line legally. There's no breaking ahead in the line. If you want in the line, serve 4 years, dont do a crime, and we'll let you in the back of the line.

Otherwise, see ya.

This. ^^^^^

(01-24-2018 10:38 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 10:00 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  1. Dreamers, give them permanent residency, with no path of citizenship, unless they serve in the armed forces.
2. Dreamers who have committed crime, get rid of them, no visas, no green card, nothing.

I can compromise with this.

^this. I've said from day one that any of them between 18 and 27-30 can serve 4 years in the military and be leap-frogged to the head of the line for citizenship after serving their stint.

How is that fair to people trying to immigrate into this country the legal way?

I don't care if you serve 20 years in the military, if you came here illegally whether by choice or not, you're simply put into line. Punishing people going through the proper channels is wrong and you're disgusting if you truly support that.

I think you are missing the point here...

No, I don't think I am. You and the Memphis fellow want to place illegal aliens in line, ahead of those law-abiding immigrants going through the proper channels, by telling them if they only just serve in the military all will be forgiven.

That is truly a disgusting thought process. To reward illegals over those doing things the right way...legally. I'd expect that from Fit, but not from you and the Memphis fellow.

Its called, a compromise, I might not like, and neither do you, but in order for the right to make a deal with the left, they have to make some compromises.

(01-24-2018 10:40 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 10:38 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 10:00 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:15 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  ^this. I've said from day one that any of them between 18 and 27-30 can serve 4 years in the military and be leap-frogged to the head of the line for citizenship after serving their stint.

How is that fair to people trying to immigrate into this country the legal way?

I don't care if you serve 20 years in the military, if you came here illegally whether by choice or not, you're simply put into line. Punishing people going through the proper channels is wrong and you're disgusting if you truly support that.

I think you are missing the point here...

No, I don't think I am. You and the Memphis fellow want to place illegal aliens in line, ahead of those law-abiding immigrants going through the proper channels, by telling them if they only just serve in the military all will be forgiven.

That is truly a disgusting thought process. To reward illegals over those doing things the right way...legally. I'd expect that from Fit, but not from you and the Memphis fellow.

Its called, a compromise, I might not like, and neither do you, but in order for the right to make a deal with the left, they have to make some compromises.

Fine, the compromise is you serve in the military, you get in the back of the line. No line jumping.....ever. You don't reward illegal behavior by punishing those doing things the right way...the legal way.

There's your compromise.

Oh, and there are no "deals" with the left. You either give them everything they want or nothing. There's no in between with them and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

(01-24-2018 10:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I think serving 4 years in the military should be the minimum requirement just to be allowed to be placed in the same line as others who entered the line legally. There's no breaking ahead in the line. If you want in the line, serve 4 years, dont do a crime, and we'll let you in the back of the line.

Otherwise, see ya.

Well as long as They are vetted heavily. I don't want ISIS fighters infiltrating Our Military and turn on Our Guys when They feel time is right either.

(01-23-2018 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What I would support:

1) Dreamers get to stay with permanent resident alien status.
2) Same for the other 11 million (or however many) illegals. Institute a process (call it "red card" or whatever) for people who are permanent resident aliens. We can't deport them, it would cause Mexico to become a failed state, and we don't need Somalia on our southern border. At the same time, we should not reward bad behavior and disregard the rule of law by making them citizens.
3) Merit-based immigration going forward. No more lottery and no more family chain immigration. I understand that these were actually the reasons why Schumer shut the government down, not DACA.
4) Exception to merit based for any refugees facing legitimate threats of death or personal harm.
5) No immigration with complete and comprehensive background checks. That creates a problem from countries that do not have, or will not share, a criminal database to check for prior illegal activity. Develop an approach to handle immigration from those countries.

I’m down with all of that, provided we kick out each and every one of the criminal aliens we run into, be it dui, drug running or any violent crime. Also, restricted from being leeches on the government teet.

Most importantly NO path to establishing voting rights, there are localities already trying to circumvent federal laws in that arena. That’s all this is really all about for the leftists anyway.
No way we reward that.

If that’s too “restrictive”, or they can’t live by that? Fine. Go home.

Buh bye.

(01-24-2018 10:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I think serving 4 years in the military should be the minimum requirement just to be allowed to be placed in the same line as others who entered the line legally. There's no breaking ahead in the line. If you want in the line, serve 4 years, dont do a crime, and we'll let you in the back of the line.

Otherwise, see ya.

I'd make them do eight. Do a hitch and re-enlist.