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RE: G5 has no regrets
(01-23-2018 09:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-23-2018 01:50 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: (01-23-2018 01:26 AM)ColKurtz Wrote: (01-22-2018 09:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I'm OK with reasonable athletic fees, it is after all an amenity but there has to be a limit. $100 a semester not a big deal. $300? That's pushing it. $500? Come on.
$500? Dream on.
"A few examples help to illustrate the point. Public schools playing at the Division II level without a football program have the lowest costs. (All costs are measured in 2013 dollars.) With 1,000 students, their per-student costs for athletics are about $2,500. If they have more than 3,000 students, their per-student costs fall to around $1,000."
"For public schools playing FBS football, the costs are much higher, but so too are the numbers of students. At 10,000 students the per-student costs are around $4,400; at 20,000 students the costs are about $2,600; and for a truly large state school with 40,000 students, the costs fall to just over $1,500"
This was 2013 costs. Going out on a very short limb and predicting they haven't gone down.
https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2015/12/...ge-sports/
Thats the athletic budget divided by the number of students. Its doesnt count offsetting revenue from ticket sales, donations, parking, concessions, conference revenue distributions, sponsorships, naming rights, ect. At the D3, D2, and FCS level--there probably isnt much difference between the athletic budget and the net cost to the students. At the FBS level there is a significant revenue offset.
Yes, it doesn't matter if school X spends "$12,000 per student" on athletics, if the athletics department is paying for all that with revenue it generates itself, because the actual out of pocket cost to the student is zero. That's what matters, as well as indirect costs to the student, when in addition to a direct fee, the university transfers money from the academic 'side' to the athletic side.
That said, ticket sales and donations very widely at the FBS level. E.g, at Oklahoma last year, ticket sales were $40 million. At UCF, they were $4m. At UMass, they were $1m.
At that point, the difference with FCS can't be much more than trivial, even if it is zero.
I snoop around on about 20 different G5 boards just to see what the topics are of fan bases.
When you see fans complaining that the students might not approve a fee increase when the students are already paying more than the athletic department generates in tickets, donations, game guarantees, and conference revenue, the fee business has jumped the shark.
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