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I'm sure it has already been mentioned, but I think the most ironic part of this entire thing is that we are arguing immigration laws based on a Constitution of a country that was founded "illegally" written by people that took over land that wasn't "legally" theirs in the first place.

(01-24-2018 09:01 AM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  I'm sure it has already been mentioned, but I think the most ironic part of this entire thing is that we are arguing immigration laws based on a Constitution of a country that was founded "illegally" written by people that took over land that wasn't "legally" theirs in the first place.

OK, as part Cherokee I say, "Please leave!"

(01-24-2018 09:46 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:01 AM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  I'm sure it has already been mentioned, but I think the most ironic part of this entire thing is that we are arguing immigration laws based on a Constitution of a country that was founded "illegally" written by people that took over land that wasn't "legally" theirs in the first place.

OK, as part Cherokee I say, "Please leave!"

Also part Cherokee...I'm staying put :)

(01-21-2018 08:13 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 03:08 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  As someone on Mlive said...ICE has gone full Gestapo.

It's our extra judicial secret police that Trump supporters have always wanted.

They absolutely love authority. It's pretty weird.

(01-24-2018 12:21 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:46 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:01 AM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  I'm sure it has already been mentioned, but I think the most ironic part of this entire thing is that we are arguing immigration laws based on a Constitution of a country that was founded "illegally" written by people that took over land that wasn't "legally" theirs in the first place.

OK, as part Cherokee I say, "Please leave!"

Also part Cherokee...I'm staying put :)

Nice! OK, all non NativeAmericans please leave.

(01-23-2018 12:05 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I said it and I stand by it. My degree in history speaks for itself here. Immigrants, minorities, political adversaries, activists, dissidents...they're all the first to go.

Seems I've got you riled up enough to use personal insults. I must have struck a nerve.

I keep hearing about his "run-ins with the law" and his criminal history. But the only information that's been made available is that he had a petty theft and destruction to property under $100 charge when he was 17, a few speeding tickets, and a domestic violence charge that he was found innocent of by a jury of his peers. So his only real criminal history is an assortment of moving violations and some teenage bullcrap from 20 years ago?

I guarantee everyone on this board has at least as much of a history of run-ins with law enforcement. So spare me the "no model citizen" shtick.


But keep deflecting. Nobody has answered my questions about who he was hurting and what threat he was to our country. Until that happens, I'll run under the assumption that this is just another flagrant example of federal government overreach and interference in our lives.

"Full Gestapo."

My friend, with a degree in history should understand the horrible, offensive severity of that statement. Then again, your understanding just comes from a book, apparently.

Full Gestapo...you never know when you are dealing with families who may have survivors of the real Nazi's/Gestapo and understand what it was all about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Bx6nY2wwg

I was not going to respond to this when you said it. But even after waiting about a week, it remains deeply offensive, inappropriate, and so very, very wrong. Disagree with ICE/Trump all you want, but this is not any where near "Full Gestapo."

Put the politics aside. I know you are angry and did not mean what you said.

Peace, bro, peace.

Yes, it was an exaggeration to illustrate a point.

You'll get over it.

I meant no offense by what I said. I am and will forever remain a defender of liberty. I don't tolerate either extreme of the political spectrum and what I'm observing now in the federal government is right wing xenophobia and isolationism. Unacceptable.

(01-29-2018 10:11 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Yes, it was an exaggeration to illustrate a point.

You'll get over it.

Thanks for your sensitivity.

You've proved a point, although not the one you had hoped to prove.

Peace.

Look, I have family members that fought in WWII and they saw some horrific ****. It is not my intent to trivialize those events or offend the survivors.

Oppressive regimes don't always crop up overnight. Sometimes it's a slow descent into madness, and there are plenty of warning signs. I don't mince words and no subject is taboo. You don't like my analogy, and I get that. That's okay. If you want to talk about this actual situation that's happening and whether or not you believe that it's acceptable, I'd be happy to do so in a respectful manner.

(01-29-2018 11:05 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Look, I have family members that fought in WWII and they saw some horrific ****. It is not my intent to trivialize those events or offend the survivors.

Oppressive regimes don't always crop up overnight. Sometimes it's a slow descent into madness, and there are plenty of warning signs. I don't mince words and no subject is taboo. You don't like my analogy, and I get that. That's okay. If you want to talk about this actual situation that's happening and whether or not you believe that it's acceptable, I'd be happy to do so in a respectful manner.

"It is not my intent to trivialize those events or offend the survivors"

Intentions are irrelevant...

It was an inaccurate, insensitive and irresponsible comment on your part.

That said, I should have PM'd you, rather than put it through this. For that, I apologize.

It's okay. I understand where you're coming from. My comments were inappropriate and I'm sorry.

I just got so frustrated by everything that's happening in our country.

(01-29-2018 11:39 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  It's okay. I understand where you're coming from. My comments were inappropriate and I'm sorry.

I just got so frustrated by everything that's happening in our country.

Thank you.

And I share your frustration.

Go Broncos!

Get over it. We put up with 8 years of Barack Obama who was far and away the most Left leaning President this nation has ever had. We didn't protest or riot in the streets, we didn't throw rocks through windows, we didn't demand recounts, we didn't go on a year long political tantrum and refuse to call him our President, we didn't ***** and whine like Hollywood, we didn't formulate biased stories like the MSM does every night, we didn't beat up people of different political views in the streets or spit on them, we didn't call good Americans who simply disagreed with us on politics evil names like 'racist' or 'bigot'.

We got up the morning after the elections in 2008 and 2012 and went to work, paid our taxes, raised our families, obeyed the laws and were productive citizens. The Left has a lot to learn about losing graciously and behaving maturely. A lot to learn. As far as I'm concerned the political Left is doing a great job of compounding their loss at the polls with losing the respect of half the nation for how they are behaving since then. And it does matter, even if you don't think it does.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions there, Phil, considering I agree wholeheartedly with your entire statement.

I wasn't addressing my comments at anybody in specifics, just noting the difference in response from the two sides of the political spectrum. It's time for the Left to get over themselves. They may not like Trump, but he isn't the second coming of Stalin or Hitler. The economy is doing reasonably well, the stock markets are setting records every other day. Nobody is being arrested on the streets that haven't broken laws that were in existence long before he took office. I don't see any books being burned. The Administration abides by the laws.

They may not like his focus and his rhetoric, but neither did most conservatives when Obama was in office. Way it is for the minority, you deal with it until the next elections. Your frustration doesn't give you carte blanche to engage in vandalism and beat people up. Not in my world anyway.

Many on the Left have made asses of themselves for a year, it's time to grow up, accept that Trump is the President and make the best of things. It'd be great if the Dems in Congress would stop acting like petulant children and started getting engaged in the process-that is what they get paid for. Sitting there with sullen looks on their faces and voting against everything Trump puts before them really isn't very productive.

Our nation works best when we have broad consensus on legislation-Trump has reached across the aisle only to be rejected on several occasions. The GOP was not that monolithic when Obama was in the White House, at least not during his first term. With the exception of his bad Health Care Bill the GOP supported far more of his legislation and appointments than has been the other way around the last year. In my view Schumer and Pelosi are bad leaders and are much responsible for the non-performance of the Democrat Party in the Congress.

Like many Republicans, you don’t get it. It goes right over your head. Has nothing to do with “losing” the election and everything to do with allowing a fool like Trump to take office. You wouldn’t be seeing any of this had an actual competent Republican emerged. Unfortunately as a result it exposed racist/bigoted America in its truest form. And that’s the reality we’re stuck with.

(01-29-2018 05:54 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The Administration abides by the laws.

Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, and who knows how many other "law abiding" administration folks are going to be indicted. The Republicans, led by Trump, are doing all they can to discredit the law enforcement agencies. Get a clue.

(01-29-2018 10:41 PM)ChipfanII Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 05:54 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The Administration abides by the laws.

Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, and who knows how many other "law abiding" administration folks are going to be indicted. The Republicans, led by Trump, are doing all they can to discredit the law enforcement agencies. Get a clue.

After today I think we can arguably say the law enforcement agencies are doing all they can to discredit themselves. We have a pro-Hillary cabal in the FBI that is going to rooted-out bag and baggage for breaking the law and could arguably be indicted for Sedition. If it comes to that the minor offenses of Flynn, Manafort and Papdopoulos will be lost in the shuffle. This could-easily-make Watergate look like amateur hour. It all depends on how deep the Congress wants to dig into it.

McCabe has been forced out and the buzz is Rod Rosenstein is the next to go. Two Deputy Directors of the FBI, never mind Peter Strozk and his lawyer mistress. And that's just peeling the top off the can of ****.

(01-29-2018 09:24 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Unfortunately as a result it exposed racist/bigoted America in its truest form. And that’s the reality we’re stuck with.

That's a way too simplistic way to view American society.

(01-30-2018 10:59 AM)Doo Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 09:24 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Unfortunately as a result it exposed racist/bigoted America in its truest form. And that’s the reality we’re stuck with.

That's a way too simplistic way to view American society.

What else does the Left have? Calling people names who disagree with them and conspiracy theories. That's it.

The opposition party usually makes gains in midterm elections, but what can the Dems run on next November? Ideas? Policies? Accomplishments? Leadership?

I see nothing but a bunch of spoilsports running around calling everyone on the other side 'racist' or 'bigot'. Try and sell that to the electorate.