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I'm interested in hearing you guys defend this. Who was this guy hurting? Was he a threat to this country? How was he harming our society? Is this a worthwhile effort from one of the many powerful federal law enforcement organizations? Going after a doctor with a normal life and family, who has received glowing references from his medical peers?
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(01-21-2018 08:25 PM)Nacho Wrote:  Neither do you apparently.

I don't pretend to. Your hearsay does.
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This one’s especially tough for them to defend because it doesn’t fit their Faux News stereotype of a dangerous illegal immigrant who hops the fence, deals drugs, and commits felonies.
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(01-21-2018 09:14 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  This one’s especially tough for them to defend because it doesn’t fit their Faux News stereotype of a dangerous illegal immigrant who hops the fence, deals drugs, and commits felonies.

Well, yes. And he's "white."
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Clearly demonstrates the critical need for immigration reform.

The previous two administrations (Bush and Obama) irresponsibly allowed it to become anarchy.

Status que can't continue, regardless of who is in the White House, and no change can be done without some unintended consequences. Too large a problem that both parties have allowed to fester and get out of control. No easy answers.

My humble recommendation: amnesty and citizenship for all current illegals (and they are illegals), but deny them the right to vote, or own a firearm (similar to what happens to convicted felons). They should not be given the same rights as those who properly selected the legal option and endured the "hassle" to become citizens of this great nation, but it is significantly better than deportation as currently law calls for.

Deporting them is simply not realistic and is cruel in many cases, but the fact remains, they chose to take cuts in front of those those who were willing to endure the "hassle" of becoming a legal citizen of the United States and should not have the same rights.

After that, address why our current system for becoming a citizen is such a "hassle" and make the necessary changes. Then, put the hammer down on who is crossing the border illegally. While I do not think we need a physical wall, we certainly need a figurative one.

The problem grows daily.
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ICE is stepping up investigations. This guy has more than one run in with the law and now reported didn't fill out FDA paperwork correctly. You can't have it both ways, if you are going after the bad guys then you have to spot the red flags. ICE has been overlooking a lot of this the last two decades. This guy might be a great person but he didn't follow basic laws required for Green Card status. ICE officers aren't set up to make legal decisions on the spot they are following protocol. If the guy is innocent then let him prove it. Sounds like media is again reporting bits and pieces to fill the narrative.
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(01-22-2018 09:13 AM)GullLake Wrote:  Clearly demonstrates the critical need for immigration reform.

The previous two administrations (Bush and Obama) irresponsibly allowed it to become anarchy.

Not true. Both previous administrations pushed for immigration reform. The problem was that Republican leaders in the House and Senate refused to allow a vote on any legislation. They were (and are) afraid of the far right.

As a side note, there were 17 illegals arrested in Grayling, MI this weekend. No problem with that, however, there was no arrest of the contractor who hired them for the construction job. Immigration enforcement has always been negligent on the business people who hire them. That needs to end.
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17 people arrested by U.S. border patrol in Grayling

http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/17-arr...n-grayling
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(01-21-2018 06:30 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  He has a permanent green card, allowing him to live and work in the United States. Why would he seek citizenship if it doesn't interest him? Have any of you tried to obtain citizenship in the US? Calling it a "hassle" would be putting it mildly.

Less of a hassle then dealing with ICE.

Apparently he's had some issues with police over the years. I'm not saying he's a hard core criminal, but he's not the saint some of you are portraying him as either.

He'll likely work out some deal with ICE, but I strongly recommend he try and get citizenship if he wants to stay in this country.

I have three university degrees in Electrical Engineering and have worked in the Auto Industry for almost 40 years, but I would NOT be allowed to stay in Japan and work in that nation as a 'green card' individual for decades. This guy needs to own up to his own mishandling of his status. Not everybody is a 'victim' much as Dimms like to make it out that way.

Who the hell used the stupid 'Gestapo' illustration? You haven't got the brains God gave geese, son.
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I said it and I stand by it. My degree in history speaks for itself here. Immigrants, minorities, political adversaries, activists, dissidents...they're all the first to go.

Seems I've got you riled up enough to use personal insults. I must have struck a nerve.

I keep hearing about his "run-ins with the law" and his criminal history. But the only information that's been made available is that he had a petty theft and destruction to property under $100 charge when he was 17, a few speeding tickets, and a domestic violence charge that he was found innocent of by a jury of his peers. So his only real criminal history is an assortment of moving violations and some teenage bullcrap from 20 years ago?

I guarantee everyone on this board has at least as much of a history of run-ins with law enforcement. So spare me the "no model citizen" shtick.


But keep deflecting. Nobody has answered my questions about who he was hurting and what threat he was to our country. Until that happens, I'll run under the assumption that this is just another flagrant example of federal government overreach and interference in our lives.
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From an article about Bronson fighting for his release:

"There are two misdemeanor convictions from 26 years ago that have been cited by ICE to support Dr. Niec's detention," Bronson said.

"No one from ICE had spoken with her as of Monday morning, she said." <--- the wife

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/inde...g_for.html

So it either took federal law enforcement agencies 26 years to process and execute this case to the point of arrest, or something else changed. Oh and they won't communicate with his family or place of work.

Good work, men! Maybe next we'll crack the Zodiac killer case!


It feels like there are gaping holes in this thing, on one end or the other. We're definitely not getting the whole story. But the whole "guilty, until proven innocent" thing that bootlickers are going on about is total crap.
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(01-23-2018 12:05 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I said it and I stand by it. My degree in history speaks for itself here. Immigrants, minorities, political adversaries, activists, dissidents...they're all the first to go.

Seems I've got you riled up enough to use personal insults. I must have struck a nerve.

I keep hearing about his "run-ins with the law" and his criminal history. But the only information that's been made available is that he had a petty theft and destruction to property under $100 charge when he was 17, a few speeding tickets, and a domestic violence charge that he was found innocent of by a jury of his peers. So his only real criminal history is an assortment of moving violations and some teenage bullcrap from 20 years ago?

I guarantee everyone on this board has at least as much of a history of run-ins with law enforcement. So spare me the "no model citizen" shtick.


But keep deflecting. Nobody has answered my questions about who he was hurting and what threat he was to our country. Until that happens, I'll run under the assumption that this is just another flagrant example of federal government overreach and interference in our lives.

OJ was found innocent. If you want to drive you, get a driver's license. It's not ok that just because you're a safe driver you belong on the road.
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Quote:I'll run under the assumption that this is just another flagrant example of federal government overreach and interference in our lives.

They're enforcing the law, that's how were supposed to do things in this nation. If you don't like the laws, change them in Congress.

I guess in your book 'flagrantly' enforcing the law is unacceptable. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.

Yeah, yeah, I know....Gestapo tactics.....03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Will you go to lunch?!



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ICE says Michigan doctor had 18 police encounters before arrest

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/inde...river_home
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Many of you seem to think the path to citizenship is similar to going down and getting a drivers license or a marriage license. It isn't even remotely similar. My job puts me in regular contact with folks who have immigrated to America and want to continue to live and work here and become citizens. I ask a lot of them how it has gone so far, and the short recap it that it takes an unbelievably long time to become a citizen for many, if not most. It is significantly different in modern times than it was just 30 years ago. Even the ones who carefully plan to follow the most documented, legal path, it is a long journey. Typically it starts with getting a work permit or sponsored work visa where a company sponsors them to legally work and reside here. If they want to pursue citizenship, then they will start with their application to become a permanent resident alien (aka - green card holder). Lately, that process alone has been taking several years. Two to 5 years is what most tell me. Once they have that established, it is another 5 years on average before they can "apply" for citizenship. Depending on a lot of factors, like proximity to relatives and especially country of origin, it can take several more years to get to the final stages. I talked to a man recently who has had his green card for 8 years and has been doing everything he can since day one to get naturalized. He has no criminal history, super stable job history, pays all taxes and doesn't cheat in any way. I asked him when he thought he might finally make it and he said he was hoping it would only take another year or two. Also, since there are limits on how many immigrants can come from particular countries, some folks will wait incredible lengths of time, all while doing everything they can do to reach their goal.

Here is a pretty optimistic presentation of the process by a company that works with immigrants in the process - I assume for a fee. path to citizenship
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(01-23-2018 02:33 PM)texasbronco1 Wrote:  Many of you seem to think the path to citizenship is similar to going down and getting a drivers license or a marriage license. It isn't even remotely similar. My job puts me in regular contact with folks who have immigrated to America and want to continue to live and work here and become citizens. I ask a lot of them how it has gone so far, and the short recap it that it takes an unbelievably long time to become a citizen for many, if not most. It is significantly different in modern times than it was just 30 years ago. Even the ones who carefully plan to follow the most documented, legal path, it is a long journey. Typically it starts with getting a work permit or sponsored work visa where a company sponsors them to legally work and reside here. If they want to pursue citizenship, then they will start with their application to become a permanent resident alien (aka - green card holder). Lately, that process alone has been taking several years. Two to 5 years is what most tell me. Once they have that established, it is another 5 years on average before they can "apply" for citizenship. Depending on a lot of factors, like proximity to relatives and especially country of origin, it can take several more years to get to the final stages. I talked to a man recently who has had his green card for 8 years and has been doing everything he can since day one to get naturalized. He has no criminal history, super stable job history, pays all taxes and doesn't cheat in any way. I asked him when he thought he might finally make it and he said he was hoping it would only take another year or two. Also, since there are limits on how many immigrants can come from particular countries, some folks will wait incredible lengths of time, all while doing everything they can do to reach their goal.

Here is a pretty optimistic presentation of the process by a company that works with immigrants in the process - I assume for a fee. path to citizenship

Thank you for your post and the information on the path to citizenship!

Outstanding information.

It highlights the real need for immigration reform and how those who are following the proper, legal path (which desperately needs to be stream-lined and modernized) do not deserve to have others cut-in-front-of-them with an illegal short-cut.

The Doc does not need to be detained. However, he did have a legal, and moral obligation to at least start the process of becoming a citizen. Maybe ICE should have demanded he have X amount of time to start he process, OR then he could be detained and potentially deported. Seems silly to have him locked-up now.

See my previous post with a recommendation. The alt-right wingnuts won't like it because it involves amnesty. The alt-left loonies won't like it because it won't give line-cutters the right to vote, and does not provide open boarders anytime, any day.

If the extremists don't like it, it may actually work...America needs to address this issue.
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I've said my piece. I'll leave you all with this:

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That's the spirit of our great country, a nation of immigrants, the veritable melting pot.
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(01-23-2018 03:42 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I've said my piece. I'll leave you all with this:

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That's the spirit of our great country, a nation of immigrants, the veritable melting pot.

Place the word "legal" in there and you've got a home run brother!
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(01-23-2018 02:33 PM)texasbronco1 Wrote:  Many of you seem to think the path to citizenship is similar to going down and getting a drivers license or a marriage license. It isn't even remotely similar. My job puts me in regular contact with folks who have immigrated to America and want to continue to live and work here and become citizens. I ask a lot of them how it has gone so far, and the short recap it that it takes an unbelievably long time to become a citizen for many, if not most. It is significantly different in modern times than it was just 30 years ago. Even the ones who carefully plan to follow the most documented, legal path, it is a long journey. Typically it starts with getting a work permit or sponsored work visa where a company sponsors them to legally work and reside here. If they want to pursue citizenship, then they will start with their application to become a permanent resident alien (aka - green card holder). Lately, that process alone has been taking several years. Two to 5 years is what most tell me. Once they have that established, it is another 5 years on average before they can "apply" for citizenship. Depending on a lot of factors, like proximity to relatives and especially country of origin, it can take several more years to get to the final stages. I talked to a man recently who has had his green card for 8 years and has been doing everything he can since day one to get naturalized. He has no criminal history, super stable job history, pays all taxes and doesn't cheat in any way. I asked him when he thought he might finally make it and he said he was hoping it would only take another year or two. Also, since there are limits on how many immigrants can come from particular countries, some folks will wait incredible lengths of time, all while doing everything they can do to reach their goal.

Here is a pretty optimistic presentation of the process by a company that works with immigrants in the process - I assume for a fee. path to citizenship


There is no Constitutional Right for foreigners to get citizenship, it is a PRIVILEGE bestowed by the citizens of America. And it should be hard, not easy. We share all the benefits of being an American citizen with those who join us, including many taxpayer supported benefits. We don't want everyone just seeking better opportunities in the USA to become a citizen, we want folks who share our vision of western, Republican government.

Yes, you have to be persistent to get citizenship, as any worthy goal should be. This guy went to Medical School here, lived here almost all his life yet never acquired citizenship. It seems reasonable that he never really wanted it or there were mitigating circumstances which precluded it. Considering all the run-ins he had with the Law I have to believe a great deal of that responsibility is his.
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The whole thing is a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money.

Perhaps the most overlooked part of this is that he’s taking up more space in an already overcrowded jail system.

When are we going to wake up.
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