Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

(01-19-2018 06:42 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Dukes and Dragons share the basement of the CAA each at 1-6. Drexel heads into the Convo on a 4-game losing streak. Like the Good Guys, they have exactly 1 win over the last month. Ouch!

Using Sagarin's as a basis, the Dukes should open around 4 or 5 pt favorites. Would love to see the Dukes put a full 40-minute game together to build on the comeback win Thursday night, but I'll believe it when I see it.

For those watching at home, enjoy Curt's call (as usual) via MadiZone.

Let's get out of the basement with a win. Being cold and dark might be perfect for the football Dukes, but being in a cold, dark, smelly basement in the dead of winter for MBB sucks.

Go Dukes!!

Prediction: Dukes are down 17 with 2 minutes left, but scrap back to take a lead by 1 pt with 3 seconds left as Drexel misses 10 free throws and the Dukes hit 6 3-pointers. However, a technical foul is called on a student manager at the end of the bench for looking at a ref the wrong way. Drexel misses the first FT, but hits the 2nd one to tie it. Drexel then brings the ball in and makes a 60 foot shot bounced off the top of a teammate's head. Drexel wins by 3 at the buzzer. Later, in the postgame presser, the Drexel HC talks about how they have worked tirelessly on that play bouncing off one of their guy's heads in last shot situations. The JMU student manager is seen walking off gesturing to the 244 JMU fans in the Convo and saying "my fault, my fault".

Not exactly spot on, but oooof. Close enough for NO comfort.

Off the back of the rim from half court...

But, I’ll always take a 1pt W over a well fought loss.

(01-20-2018 03:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Maybe it is just me , but it feels like Sammy Mojica has played at Drexel for. 6 or 7 years.

Haha,

I mentioned to the little lady I’d thought it had been 11 years for Mohito

Still waiting for Sem to dress out again.

(01-20-2018 11:49 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

Even though the game was between two teams at the bottom of the conference standings I thought it was fairly well played. Drexel played better than I thought they would- the Missouri transfer was tough to guard. I maintain that their PG is always a good matchup for JMU. He's so small that even his passes can be difficult to convert against longer defenders.

It was good to see the activity inside from the younger Dukes. Drexel has a couple of decent bigs that JMU matched on the boards and eventually got to foul out. The free throw shooting early was tough to take and Mosely was off from outside but it was good to see JMU gut out a win.

The defense has been better recently- not as many lapses although a better team would have converted on a few of the lapses yesterday and that may have made the difference in the game.

On offense they seem to have a little more fluidity- there are a few go to plays that weren't really there a few games ago. The kick out to Snowden for 3 has become a nice option, as has the Banks drive to the basket on the curl. The 2 bigs (Phillips and Wilson) have shown an ability to make and covert post moves down low and Lewis is getting better at driving and converting at the basket.

Late in half 1 when Wilson picked up a foul- Coach Rowe subbed him out for a minute with Jacobs so he learned from Delaware as well. Coach Rowe also called some well timed timeouts yesterday to setup defense etc.

I think both the players and coaches are getting better as the Dukes get these wins. Hope they keep it rolling in another game that could move them up in the standings on Thursday at UNCW.

(01-21-2018 08:07 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:49 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

Even though the game was between two teams at the bottom of the conference standings I thought it was fairly well played. Drexel played better than I thought they would- the Missouri transfer was tough to guard. I maintain that their PG is always a good matchup for JMU. He's so small that even his passes can be difficult to convert against longer defenders.

It was good to see the activity inside from the younger Dukes. Drexel has a couple of decent bigs that JMU matched on the boards and eventually got to foul out. The free throw shooting early was tough to take and Mosely was off from outside but it was good to see JMU gut out a win.

The defense has been better recently- not as many lapses although a better team would have converted on a few of the lapses yesterday and that may have made the difference in the game.

On offense they seem to have a little more fluidity- there are a few go to plays that weren't really there a few games ago. The kick out to Snowden for 3 has become a nice option, as has the Banks drive to the basket on the curl. The 2 bigs (Phillips and Wilson) have shown an ability to make and covert post moves down low and Lewis is getting better at driving and converting at the basket.

Late in half 1 when Wilson picked up a foul- Coach Rowe subbed him out for a minute with Jacobs so he learned from Delaware as well. Coach Rowe also called some well timed timeouts yesterday to setup defense etc.

I think both the players and coaches are getting better as the Dukes get these wins. Hope they keep it rolling in another game that could move them up in the standings on Thursday at UNCW.

I enjoy watching this team. At one point we had 4 freshman on the court, making me optimistic about the future. Until I remembered what happened the last time we had 4 good freshman. It would be nice to have these guys stay awhile. I too liked Wilson's contributions yesterday, it's nice having a thick strong guy down low that can finish. There may be a downside to that thickness as Wilson was sucking wind big time after being on the court for a while. He played 15 minutes. Essentially 6 guys played a load of minutes. Stay healthy and keep playing hard and hopefully good results will happen.

(01-21-2018 08:32 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 08:07 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:49 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

Even though the game was between two teams at the bottom of the conference standings I thought it was fairly well played. Drexel played better than I thought they would- the Missouri transfer was tough to guard. I maintain that their PG is always a good matchup for JMU. He's so small that even his passes can be difficult to convert against longer defenders.

It was good to see the activity inside from the younger Dukes. Drexel has a couple of decent bigs that JMU matched on the boards and eventually got to foul out. The free throw shooting early was tough to take and Mosely was off from outside but it was good to see JMU gut out a win.

The defense has been better recently- not as many lapses although a better team would have converted on a few of the lapses yesterday and that may have made the difference in the game.

On offense they seem to have a little more fluidity- there are a few go to plays that weren't really there a few games ago. The kick out to Snowden for 3 has become a nice option, as has the Banks drive to the basket on the curl. The 2 bigs (Phillips and Wilson) have shown an ability to make and covert post moves down low and Lewis is getting better at driving and converting at the basket.

Late in half 1 when Wilson picked up a foul- Coach Rowe subbed him out for a minute with Jacobs so he learned from Delaware as well. Coach Rowe also called some well timed timeouts yesterday to setup defense etc.

I think both the players and coaches are getting better as the Dukes get these wins. Hope they keep it rolling in another game that could move them up in the standings on Thursday at UNCW.

I enjoy watching this team. At one point we had 4 freshman on the court, making me optimistic about the future. Until I remembered what happened the last time we had 4 good freshman. It would be nice to have these guys stay awhile. I too liked Wilson's contributions yesterday, it's nice having a thick strong guy down low that can finish. There may be a downside to that thickness as Wilson was sucking wind big time after being on the court for a while. He played 15 minutes. Essentially 6 guys played a load of minutes. Stay healthy and keep playing hard and hopefully good results will happen.

Didn't watch. Box Score shows Jacobs had 1 minute after 4 vs Elon. Rowe gone to a 7 man rotation past 2 games.

Walfish still doesn't have an updated statement on Pinkard other than academic issue.

(01-20-2018 09:18 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Some observations in no particular odor...

1. Boxscore shows we went 6 of 12 from the FT line in the 1st half. It sure seemed like we were even worse than that.

2. Greg Jones played one of his better games this season. He did a lot of things that often don't show on his stat line. He kept some 50-50 balls going around the rim, things like that.

3. Dwight Wilson carried us in the 1st half. Great job by him.

4. In fact, from the post today (Phillips' 25 mins + Wilson's 15 mins) we got the following line... 20 pts, 14 boards, 10 of 16 shooting though 0 for 3 from the line. Rowe will take that from that position every game and smile.

5. Dukes turned it over 8 times. That's pretty good, especially for a team relying heavily on so many young'uns. Need to keep placing value on the ball and possessions.

6. W&M is a schizo team. They lose by 20+ in their previous 2 games, both at home, and then travel to Elon and win by 7 tonight.

7. Towson and UNCW are heading to overtime in Wilmington.

8. Got home just in time to see Zion Williamson committed to Duke University (aka Rutgers - Durham Campus). This means the top 3 players in the country per ESPN's recruiting rankings are signed up to play in Durham (and the #10 ranked player too). That's nuts.

Good observations on the JMU game 1-5 above. I don't think anyone has mentioned Jones in this thread. I was having my son, who plays high school forward, watch Jones's intensity on defense. Jones is also a good rebounder. He did a nice job of staying out of foul trouble and played with 2 fouls without picking up a 3rd end of first half. Definitely his best game of the season. Wilson was a beast in the first half. Exciting watching these guys develop.

We won with Stuckey shooting 4-17.

I continue to maintain this team is better than its record indicates. Maybe the corner is finally turning.

Just a few quick points:

1. Drexel has lost by 22 points to Towson, 22 points to W&M, 20 points to Wilmington and 15 points to Elon. You get the point...they're not a good team. I saw multiple times where JMU had defensive breakdowns, especially late in the second half, where Drexel had wide open looks from three point range. On the computer feed, you could see that clearly. I'm sure in person it was that much clearer.
2. Before yesterday's game, RPI Forecast showed JMU as the favorite in only one game the rest of the way; i.e., versus Wilmington at home.
3. Too many missed free throws yesterday. Drexel could have won the game late after Banks missed his two free throws.
4. Wilson was dominating inside and JMU got away from that. Why, I don't know?
5. Save the Hofstra game, Mosley has been struggling from three point range since the Florida game. I don't know if it's because he's tired or because teams are focused on stopping him. He needs to add strength going into next season in any event. He'a also missing too many bunnies inside.
6. I don't like the 7-man rotation. Team is not getting enough separation, perhaps because of fatigue. See yesterday as an example.
7. I don't see the team turning a corner at this point. A team that may be turning the corner based on recent scores is Wilmington.
8. Looks like NE might be the best team in the league. In early going, I had them there along with Charleston and Towson. Towson is a bad matchup for W&M and has been in recent time. That's why you saw W&M rebound with a win yesterday versus Elon, a much better matchup for them.

(01-21-2018 12:50 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Just a few quick points:

1. Drexel has lost by 22 points to Towson, 22 points to W&M, 20 points to Wilmington and 15 points to Elon. You get the point...they're not a good team. I saw multiple times where JMU had defensive breakdowns, especially late in the second half, where Drexel had wide open looks from three point range. On the computer feed, you could see that clearly. I'm sure in person it was that much clearer.
Yep. I don't think anybody is saying this team has turned any corners or is now a juggernaut. I see a lot of "let's hope" and "looking forward to seeing the team grow" and just enjoying being on the winning side for a change. Definitely, this team has a lot of growing up to do on the defensive end especially. But, I'd be much more concerned if we were playing a lot of seniors (like last year) and this was happening. As stated many times before, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores.

2. Before yesterday's game, RPI Forecast showed JMU as the favorite in only one game the rest of the way; i.e., versus Wilmington at home.
It also shows us losing 5 games by 4 pts or less. Let's hope (there's those 2 words again) the Dukes will turn some of those into W's.

3. Too many missed free throws yesterday. Drexel could have won the game late after Banks missed his two free throws.
Definitely. After going 19 of 22 in the win Thursday over Elon, the misses at the charity stripe (particularly in the 1st half) kept us from bumping up a 6 to 8 pt lead by halftime. Phillips is kinda ugly at the line. Wilson (who missed his only try) looks much more fluid in his stroke. Banks missing FT's is not the norm. He's shooting over 80% on the season.

4. Wilson was dominating inside and JMU got away from that. Why, I don't know?
I like Wilson a lot. He's really starting to play with more awareness and aggressiveness. He, like a lot of young'uns, can be a huge liability on the defensive end. But, his ceiling is higher (in fact, much higher) than I expected back in November. Gonna be fun watching his body getting more chiseled and see him develop over the next 3+ years. He has very good hands.

5. Save the Hofstra game, Mosley has been struggling from three point range since the Florida game. I don't know if it's because he's tired or because teams are focused on stopping him. He needs to add strength going into next season in any event. He'a also missing too many bunnies inside.
Teams are playing him very tight and putting their best defender on him. I like the fact several times yesterday he chose to drive to the glass. That makes him harder to defend. I'd like to see us run more double screens to free him for open jumpers.

6. I don't like the 7-man rotation. Team is not getting enough separation, perhaps because of fatigue. See yesterday as an example.
Agree. When McLean comes back, it will definitely be at least 8-man rotation. Not sure what to make of Jacobs at this point. I hope Coach Rowe gave the guys a day off today to get their legs back under them.

7. I don't see the team turning a corner at this point. A team that may be turning the corner based on recent scores is Wilmington.
Thursday should tell us a lot. The team has 2 road CAA games that we were leading nicely in the final minute only to blow both of them on final seconds 3 pointers that put it into OT. Hopefully, the guys will be able to be there again and this time put it away. We have 4 guys (McLean, Banks, Mosley, and Lewis) who are shooting 78% or better from the FT line. Need to get those guys out there together when protecting a lead and not have guys shooting 50-60% going to the line. Winning 1 of 2 on this upcoming swing would be a good sign. Win 'em both, though I admit unlikely? That's a GREAT sign.

8. Looks like NE might be the best team in the league. In early going, I had them there along with Charleston and Towson. Towson is a bad matchup for W&M and has been in recent time. That's why you saw W&M rebound with a win yesterday versus Elon, a much better matchup for them.
We'll see. I think you are right on NE. The Dukes have played neck and neck in every CAA game so far with the exception of at NE where the game got away from us in the first 3 minutes of the 2nd half. Even going back to the game at Florida, the Good Guys were down 5 with a little over 7 minutes left. The focus now is getting every win they can muster to try and get out of Day 1 at the CAAT.

Happy to see some success, maybe the juice they need to become a winning team

(01-21-2018 08:07 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:49 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

Even though the game was between two teams at the bottom of the conference standings I thought it was fairly well played. Drexel played better than I thought they would- the Missouri transfer was tough to guard. I maintain that their PG is always a good matchup for JMU. He's so small that even his passes can be difficult to convert against longer defenders.

It was good to see the activity inside from the younger Dukes. Drexel has a couple of decent bigs that JMU matched on the boards and eventually got to foul out. The free throw shooting early was tough to take and Mosely was off from outside but it was good to see JMU gut out a win.

The defense has been better recently- not as many lapses although a better team would have converted on a few of the lapses yesterday and that may have made the difference in the game.

On offense they seem to have a little more fluidity- there are a few go to plays that weren't really there a few games ago. The kick out to Snowden for 3 has become a nice option, as has the Banks drive to the basket on the curl. The 2 bigs (Phillips and Wilson) have shown an ability to make and covert post moves down low and Lewis is getting better at driving and converting at the basket.

Late in half 1 when Wilson picked up a foul- Coach Rowe subbed him out for a minute with Jacobs so he learned from Delaware as well. Coach Rowe also called some well timed timeouts yesterday to setup defense etc.

I think both the players and coaches are getting better as the Dukes get these wins. Hope they keep it rolling in another game that could move them up in the standings on Thursday at UNCW.

I agree with everything you stated.....and your observation regarding the Drexel PG is the very reason JMU is now better with Mclean not in the starting lineup. His height makes him easy to defend and his height is a liability on defense. Lewis posted that guy up several times and there was nothing he could do about it.

Joey when healthy will be much better use off the bench spelling the others and playing @15 minutes/game.

Snowden needs to be a little more assertive on offense.

Drexel beat Houston which is the best OOC the CAA has all year.

they are a borderline Top 25 team this year.

(01-22-2018 11:12 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 08:07 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:49 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

Even though the game was between two teams at the bottom of the conference standings I thought it was fairly well played. Drexel played better than I thought they would- the Missouri transfer was tough to guard. I maintain that their PG is always a good matchup for JMU. He's so small that even his passes can be difficult to convert against longer defenders.

It was good to see the activity inside from the younger Dukes. Drexel has a couple of decent bigs that JMU matched on the boards and eventually got to foul out. The free throw shooting early was tough to take and Mosely was off from outside but it was good to see JMU gut out a win.

The defense has been better recently- not as many lapses although a better team would have converted on a few of the lapses yesterday and that may have made the difference in the game.

On offense they seem to have a little more fluidity- there are a few go to plays that weren't really there a few games ago. The kick out to Snowden for 3 has become a nice option, as has the Banks drive to the basket on the curl. The 2 bigs (Phillips and Wilson) have shown an ability to make and covert post moves down low and Lewis is getting better at driving and converting at the basket.

Late in half 1 when Wilson picked up a foul- Coach Rowe subbed him out for a minute with Jacobs so he learned from Delaware as well. Coach Rowe also called some well timed timeouts yesterday to setup defense etc.

I think both the players and coaches are getting better as the Dukes get these wins. Hope they keep it rolling in another game that could move them up in the standings on Thursday at UNCW.

I agree with everything you stated.....and your observation regarding the Drexel PG is the very reason JMU is now better with Mclean not in the starting lineup. His height makes him easy to defend and his height is a liability on defense. Lewis posted that guy up several times and there was nothing he could do about it.

Joey when healthy will be much better use off the bench spelling the others and playing @15 minutes/game.

Snowden needs to be a little more assertive on offense.

I mostly agree with this. Joey should be coming off the bench, but he would be the primary backup for all of the perimeter players so he would still be getting upwards of 20-25 minutes per game. He averaged 20 mpg as an underclassman behind Curry and did a great job then, so there is no reason to cut his minutes from that.

The biggest point is that Lewis should be groomed as the primary ball handler even if Joey is playing next to him. I imagine McLean's 3 point% would get a lot closer to his norm if this happened, as well.

(01-22-2018 01:23 PM)purplesanman Wrote:  The biggest point is that Lewis should be groomed as the primary ball handler even if Joey is playing next to him. I imagine McLean's 3 point% would get a lot closer to his norm if this happened, as well.

I think Lewis is now the starting point guard and will continue to get around 35-38 mpg in that role going forward. He is averaging just under 1 turnover per game, which is remarkable considering 1) he's averaging right at 30 mpg and 2) his minutes have risen of late as his responsibility of being the team's primary point guard has increased as well.

Congrats to Darius Banks for being named CAA ROTW...

http://www.jmusports.com/news/2018/1/22/...-week.aspx

That's 1 ROTW for Banks to go along with 2 for Lewis so far.

(01-22-2018 01:23 PM)purplesanman Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 11:12 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 08:07 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 11:49 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Today was my first time watching this team in person. There were a few lapses on defense, but for the most part they were active and helped/hedged and trapped and crashed the boards. They went freelance on offense a few times, but for the most part ran their sets and found decent shots- screening away and moving well. I came away from the game thinking how good this team may be next year if they keep improving, fun to watch too. I don’t think it will take long to get the fans back out. Wilson really picked the team up tonight I thought. I got the sense they could not handle him; he could be a beast.

Even though the game was between two teams at the bottom of the conference standings I thought it was fairly well played. Drexel played better than I thought they would- the Missouri transfer was tough to guard. I maintain that their PG is always a good matchup for JMU. He's so small that even his passes can be difficult to convert against longer defenders.

It was good to see the activity inside from the younger Dukes. Drexel has a couple of decent bigs that JMU matched on the boards and eventually got to foul out. The free throw shooting early was tough to take and Mosely was off from outside but it was good to see JMU gut out a win.

The defense has been better recently- not as many lapses although a better team would have converted on a few of the lapses yesterday and that may have made the difference in the game.

On offense they seem to have a little more fluidity- there are a few go to plays that weren't really there a few games ago. The kick out to Snowden for 3 has become a nice option, as has the Banks drive to the basket on the curl. The 2 bigs (Phillips and Wilson) have shown an ability to make and covert post moves down low and Lewis is getting better at driving and converting at the basket.

Late in half 1 when Wilson picked up a foul- Coach Rowe subbed him out for a minute with Jacobs so he learned from Delaware as well. Coach Rowe also called some well timed timeouts yesterday to setup defense etc.

I think both the players and coaches are getting better as the Dukes get these wins. Hope they keep it rolling in another game that could move them up in the standings on Thursday at UNCW.

I agree with everything you stated.....and your observation regarding the Drexel PG is the very reason JMU is now better with Mclean not in the starting lineup. His height makes him easy to defend and his height is a liability on defense. Lewis posted that guy up several times and there was nothing he could do about it.

Joey when healthy will be much better use off the bench spelling the others and playing @15 minutes/game.

Snowden needs to be a little more assertive on offense.

I mostly agree with this. Joey should be coming off the bench, but he would be the primary backup for all of the perimeter players so he would still be getting upwards of 20-25 minutes per game. He averaged 20 mpg as an underclassman behind Curry and did a great job then, so there is no reason to cut his minutes from that.

The biggest point is that Lewis should be groomed as the primary ball handler even if Joey is playing next to him. I imagine McLean's 3 point% would get a lot closer to his norm if this happened, as well.

I was merely spit-balling minutes for Joey. Is that 15/20/25 I don't know, I think 25 would be a little on the high side for a 4th guard considering you can mix/match and go big at times also with Phillips/Snowden/Jones on the court. Ever how that works out, but Joey is much better in small doses.

(01-22-2018 12:05 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Drexel beat Houston which is the best OOC the CAA has all year.

they are a borderline Top 25 team this year.

I had seen that they beat them when I posted the lopsided losses that Drexel had suffered in conference. Drexel, if I'm recalling correctly, also beat LaSalle, who's having a down year but in the A-10 nonetheless, and lost a close one to Temple. In the Houston game, Isabell, the transfer from Missouri, played well. Isabell was a three star recruit and rated among the top 55 or 60 players at the point coming out of high school, but more recently the Tigers have been signing a slew of 4 and 5 stars.

JMU, meanwhile, has quietly played some pretty good teams this season out of conference. Weber State, Northern Kentucky, Old Dominion, Radford and Florida are all at the top or near the top of their conferences last time I checked the other day.