At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

South Florida twice, East Carolina twice -- not looking like a repeat of that to me. But I suppose that's the difference in the American and those other two conferences. Of course, everyone could get mad and quit playing, I guess.

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

How do you think we would have done if we played in the Big 10 or 12?

It’s easy to beat the shithole teams in C-USA, it’s another to play real teams. How’d Pastner do when he had to play somebody (top 25 teams)?

His 9-9 Big 10 team beat our 16-0 C-USA team if that gives you any perspective.

Fortunately, we brought some of the shithole teams with us and play ECU twice and USF twice...

(01-19-2018 06:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

How do you think we would have done if we played in the Big 10 or 12?

It’s easy to beat the shithole teams in C-USA, it’s another to play real teams. How’d Pastner do when he had to play somebody (top 25 teams)?

His 9-9 Big 10 team beat our 16-0 C-USA team if that gives you any perspective.

Fortunately, we brought some of the shithole teams with us and play ECU twice and USF twice...

The first post above implies that Tubby’s teams do not fold at the end of the season when in fact he has lost 63% (on average) of the last ten regular season games from the last ten seasons. Last year, for example, he lost six of the last ten regular season games including a defeat by 41 points.

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

If we do actually progress, is it not reasonable to think as we get more wins we would replace our current talent when they graduate with better talent?

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(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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(01-19-2018 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 01:35 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

Thank you, Eric, for asking the question. We are on different sides of the pro/anti-Tubby divide, but, unlike Saluki, who you give way too much credit to, we should be able to agree on basic facts, right?

Bama was missing only one of their top players, Collin Sexton, when they played us.

Ar'mond Davis sucks and hasn't played all year, his time at Bama is probably done. Riley Norris is an end of the rotation "Senior leader" type, and has scored only 43 points all year, averaging 4.8 ppg in 9 games played. And Braxton Key has played in only 8 games all year, averages 3.9 ppg, and has scored 31 points all season.

For the last time, Bama was missing only ONE of their top players when we played them on November 10th.

They were missing 2 of their top 3 scorers from the previous year and their top recruit. Can't you read?

But it turns out those rankings didn't really mean anything so why does it matter now?

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(01-19-2018 08:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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Freshmen

(01-19-2018 08:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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So we're building around 3 freshmen that are averaging around 10 points per game combined? Two of which that are playing around 12 minutes or less per game?

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

Yeah, he should have coached in C-USA. Probably could hit 90%...

(01-19-2018 09:18 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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So we're building around 3 freshmen that are averaging around 10 points per game combined? Two of which that are playing around 12 minutes or less per game?

Problem?

Tubby is gonna coach 'em up.

Trust the process.

Be obedient!

Just kidding.

I get what you are saying.

(01-19-2018 09:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

Yeah, he should have coached in C-USA. Probably could hit 90%...

It impossible to know how he would have fared in C-USA in the past ten years since he did not coach in C-USA in the past ten years. See posts 62 and 65 for what is known.

(01-19-2018 10:28 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

Yeah, he should have coached in C-USA. Probably could hit 90%...

It impossible to know how he would have fared in C-USA in the past ten years since he did not coach in C-USA in the past ten years. See posts 62 and 65 for what is known.

Yawn...

Dude, get over your TDS!

(01-19-2018 06:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

How do you think we would have done if we played in the Big 10 or 12?

It’s easy to beat the shithole teams in C-USA, it’s another to play real teams. How’d Pastner do when he had to play somebody (top 25 teams)?

His 9-9 Big 10 team beat our 16-0 C-USA team if that gives you any perspective.

Fortunately, we brought some of the shithole teams with us and play ECU twice and USF twice...

To put things into perspective and to correct you (as usual)...

Tubby's team finished 8-10, not 9-9 that season. They were 15-1 that year and ranked #8 in the country to start the season. Tubby cruised home 5-11 the rest of the way, including losses to #168, 136, 103, and 81 AND losing his last 3 games in the Big Ten which probably cost him 3 lines when the teams were seeded.

Also, Tubby lost to a lot more bad teams than Pastner ever did. If he would have coached those teams in CUSA he would have had too many bad losses and not enough opportunities against quality opponents to make a difference. Pastner was 20-0 against teams inferior to 100 in the RPI. Tubby was 7-3.

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

You are just plain wrong, if you go back and look at the prediction thread, the VAST MAJORITY had the team either winning 18 games or 20 games. A very few had them with a losing record and some people predicted 26 wins.
Also they were 17-6 at one point last year weren't they?

I still find it hard to believe that you can call someone one of the best coaches of all time when he loses more conf games then he wins and loses more games against top 25 than he wins. But to each their own.

(01-20-2018 01:04 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

You are just plain wrong, if you go back and look at the prediction thread, the VAST MAJORITY had the team either winning 18 games or 20 games. A very few had them with a losing record and some people predicted 26 wins.
Also they were 17-6 at one point last year weren't they?

I still find it hard to believe that you can call someone one of the best coaches of all time when he loses more conf games then he wins and loses more games against top 25 than he wins. But to each their own.

Tubby is great at two things. Taking great talent from Rick Pitino and keeping them great for a couple of years, and doing very good work with teams that don't have a lot of talent.

The problem is that the very good work never results in Sweet 16's, and will get you a single solitary NCAA win every dozen years or so and 11 out of the last 12 years, even less than that.

Yes, the team is playing better, and will probably improve more as the season goes along; which is great. The problem is that improving to the point of being on the brink of a possible NIT berth this year and possibly being on the brink of an NCAA berth next year are not what the standard at Memphis should be.

So good for Tubby, bad for us.

(01-20-2018 12:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 01:04 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

You are just plain wrong, if you go back and look at the prediction thread, the VAST MAJORITY had the team either winning 18 games or 20 games. A very few had them with a losing record and some people predicted 26 wins.
Also they were 17-6 at one point last year weren't they?

I still find it hard to believe that you can call someone one of the best coaches of all time when he loses more conf games then he wins and loses more games against top 25 than he wins. But to each their own.

Tubby is great at two things. Taking great talent from Rick Pitino and keeping them great for a couple of years, and doing very good work with teams that don't have a lot of talent.

The problem is that the very good work never results in Sweet 16's, and will get you a single solitary NCAA win every dozen years or so and 11 out of the last 12 years, even less than that.

Yes, the team is playing better, and will probably improve more as the season goes along; which is great. The problem is that improving to the point of being on the brink of a possible NIT berth this year and possibly being on the brink of an NCAA berth next year are not what the standard at Memphis should be.

So good for Tubby, bad for us.

Decent analysis. We'll see what happens going forward. Get everything going, and peak at the right time, and who knows, we may get further than that. Or not. Coaches come and go everywhere, Tubby is no different.

(01-20-2018 12:49 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 12:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 01:04 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

You are just plain wrong, if you go back and look at the prediction thread, the VAST MAJORITY had the team either winning 18 games or 20 games. A very few had them with a losing record and some people predicted 26 wins.
Also they were 17-6 at one point last year weren't they?

I still find it hard to believe that you can call someone one of the best coaches of all time when he loses more conf games then he wins and loses more games against top 25 than he wins. But to each their own.

Tubby is great at two things. Taking great talent from Rick Pitino and keeping them great for a couple of years, and doing very good work with teams that don't have a lot of talent.

The problem is that the very good work never results in Sweet 16's, and will get you a single solitary NCAA win every dozen years or so and 11 out of the last 12 years, even less than that.

Yes, the team is playing better, and will probably improve more as the season goes along; which is great. The problem is that improving to the point of being on the brink of a possible NIT berth this year and possibly being on the brink of an NCAA berth next year are not what the standard at Memphis should be.

So good for Tubby, bad for us.

Decent analysis. We'll see what happens going forward. Get everything going, and peak at the right time, and who knows, we may get further than that. Or not. Coaches come and go everywhere, Tubby is no different.

We still aren't at our ceiling this year. We should still continue to improve more than our competition.

(01-19-2018 09:17 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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Freshmen

So didn't we recruit them with the idea that they would become starters someday?

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