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RE: Gary Clark - Where Does He Stand All-Time?
I don't get how Evans is considered a lock to be gone. He is far from being an elite shooter, and still needs work on his handle. I know he's athletic, but I don't think thats enough at this point. I guess we'll see how he performs in the big boy tournament.
 
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If he doesn't improve on his play in the AACT, I don't see how he could possibly leave... He was as bad as it gets offensively over the weekend.
 
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(03-12-2018 02:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  I don't get how Evans is considered a lock to be gone. He is far from being an elite shooter, and still needs work on his handle. I know he's athletic, but I don't think thats enough at this point. I guess we'll see how he performs in the big boy tournament.

You have to bear in mind, prior to his most recent lapse, the kid was above 40% from 3 for the second consecutive season and was a very good shooter. After the next few days? He'll probably go right back to being who he has been. He's not perfect with regard to shooting, but he is VERY good. We've never seen him have a streak like this before, I'm guessing most people know that's not typical him.
Even with his bad shooting yesterday, he was knocking down mid range shots no problem in the first half. Reached double digits very early. Now, if the streak keeps up(I don't think it will, he's never had this problem before) you can make that argument.


As for his handle, for a 6'6-6'7 2 guard his handle is fine.
You add to that his length and athleticism on D...
He can guard multiple positions at an elite level. That's unusual.
 
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RE: Gary Clark - Where Does He Stand All-Time?
a few mocks have him bottom of round 1 and most have him near the end of round 2. lots of scouts will be watching him this weekend.
 
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(03-12-2018 02:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ He gone.

Yep...ESPN bought Jonathan Givony and crew from Draft Express (best in the business IMHO) to do the draft stuff and he has Evans in his updated mock draft going #23 to Timberwolves with a chance to move up.

Back in 2011 Givony posted combine numbers and interviews from Jimmy Butler and Scotty Hopson...Givony said I would go with Butler even though Hopson had better testing numbers based on the info below...he used Scotty Hopson's combine interview of what not to do when meeting NBA teams 03-lmfao

Quote:Among over 900 former collegiate and international players in the Sports Aptitude database, only 26 have an Internal Motivation rating to match Butler's. This is the upper 97th percentile of basketball players in a measure that relates to self-discipline, goal-motivation, and the drive to exceed expectations.

Over the past nine seasons, 13 out of the 15 drafted players from this category are rotation players for playoff caliber teams, nine of these players are considered plus defenders, and three are trending towards max contract territory -- these guys find a way to get to the top.




http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
 
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(03-12-2018 02:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  I don't get how Evans is considered a lock to be gone. He is far from being an elite shooter, and still needs work on his handle. I know he's athletic, but I don't think thats enough at this point. I guess we'll see how he performs in the big boy tournament.

Well I'm just shocked that you have accentuated any negatives and downplayed any positives here. Who could have seen that coming?

And do you really think NBA scouts watch the guy all year but are like, "Hmmm, I just don't know whether or not this kid is NBA level. Welp, guess I'll decide after seeing him play a few games in the tourney. I'll pay particular attention to that Georgia State match-up."
 
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(03-12-2018 03:13 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 02:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ He gone.

Yep...ESPN bought Jonathan Givony and crew from Draft Express (best in the business IMHO) to do the draft stuff and he has Evans in his updated mock draft going #23 to Timberwolves with a chance to move up.

Back in 2011 Givony posted combine numbers and interviews from Jimmy Butler and Scotty Hopson...Givony said I would go with Butler even though Hopson had better testing numbers based on the info below...he used Scotty Hopson's combine interview of what not to do when meeting NBA teams 03-lmfao

Quote:Among over 900 former collegiate and international players in the Sports Aptitude database, only 26 have an Internal Motivation rating to match Butler's. This is the upper 97th percentile of basketball players in a measure that relates to self-discipline, goal-motivation, and the drive to exceed expectations.

Over the past nine seasons, 13 out of the 15 drafted players from this category are rotation players for playoff caliber teams, nine of these players are considered plus defenders, and three are trending towards max contract territory -- these guys find a way to get to the top.




http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/

So was that Givony guy right about Jimmy Butler? I have never heard of either guy.
 
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(03-12-2018 02:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  I don't get how Evans is considered a lock to be gone. He is far from being an elite shooter, and still needs work on his handle. I know he's athletic, but I don't think thats enough at this point. I guess we'll see how he performs in the big boy tournament.

I don't think he is a lock for being gone, but if he is a projected first round pick, he should go. Not even a question. Guess the guys who get paid to scout see things a little differently than you do.
 
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(03-12-2018 06:21 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 03:13 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 02:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ He gone.

Yep...ESPN bought Jonathan Givony and crew from Draft Express (best in the business IMHO) to do the draft stuff and he has Evans in his updated mock draft going #23 to Timberwolves with a chance to move up.

Back in 2011 Givony posted combine numbers and interviews from Jimmy Butler and Scotty Hopson...Givony said I would go with Butler even though Hopson had better testing numbers based on the info below...he used Scotty Hopson's combine interview of what not to do when meeting NBA teams 03-lmfao

Quote:Among over 900 former collegiate and international players in the Sports Aptitude database, only 26 have an Internal Motivation rating to match Butler's. This is the upper 97th percentile of basketball players in a measure that relates to self-discipline, goal-motivation, and the drive to exceed expectations.

Over the past nine seasons, 13 out of the 15 drafted players from this category are rotation players for playoff caliber teams, nine of these players are considered plus defenders, and three are trending towards max contract territory -- these guys find a way to get to the top.




http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/

So was that Givony guy right about Jimmy Butler? I have never heard of either guy.

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not...but yes...he was...very much so.
 
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(03-12-2018 06:58 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 02:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  I don't get how Evans is considered a lock to be gone. He is far from being an elite shooter, and still needs work on his handle. I know he's athletic, but I don't think thats enough at this point. I guess we'll see how he performs in the big boy tournament.

I don't think he is a lock for being gone, but if he is a projected first round pick, he should go. Not even a question. Guess the guys who get paid to scout see things a little differently than you do.

I agree with this. Ask Steve Logan his opinion on going in the 2nd round.
 
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First round go, 2nd the smart move is return and improve his rank.
 
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To me it sounds like everyone is arguing the same thing re: Evans. For whatever player though, you don't get to see where you're drafted and then decide, it's seems clear that Evans has a decent chance at the first round, but is not clear cut.

Could we start a second thread though about Jacob Evans - Gary Clark is our conference player of the year, defensive player of the year, our most effective player, and IMHO deserves his own thread.
 
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You need to read this article by Bill Koch. Gary Clark is not just a great basketball player he is a great human being. I'm proud he's a Bearcat!

KOCH: Clark A Winning Player And So Much More

Quote:Late in the first half of the University of Cincinnati's 62-48 victory at Memphis, senior forward Gary Clark went up for a rebound, lost control of the ball, and tumbled to the FedEx Forum floor.

Memphis forward Mike Parks Jr. grabbed the ball under the Tigers' basket and went up for what he surely thought would be an easy layup only to have Clark bounce up to block his shot. The play had little impact on the outcome, but it was emblematic of Clark's approach to the game.

"From a coaching standpoint you sit there and you think, now there's a Bearcat," said UC head coach Mick Cronin. "That's everything you want. When you have a senior make a play like that, there's a sense of pride as a coaching staff that this guy has really bought into becoming everything that we wanted him to become. To me, that was the epitome of who he is now as a player."
 
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Updated numbers for Gary and Jacob III. Gary finishes his career 3rd all time in boards, 5th all time in blocks and just behind Yancy for 16th all time in points. Sad this has ended but it would come to a close one way or the other.

Career boards:

1. Oscar Robertson 1,338
2. Jack Twyman 1,242
3. Gary Clark 1,132
4. Paul Hogue 1,088
5. Robert Miller 1,060
6. Dwight Jones 983
7. Rick Roberson 945
8. Jim Ard 941
9. Connie Dierking 929
10. Yancy Gates 916
11. Jason Maxiell 908
12. George Wilson 888
12. Eric Hicks 888
14. Danny Fortson 873
15. Kenyon Martin 869

Career blocks:

1. Kenyon Martin 292
2. Eric Hicks 256
3. Jason Maxiell 252
4. Justin Jackson 219
5. Gary Clark 180
6. Donald Little 153
7. Rick Roberson 146

Career points (3 year players in bold):

1. Oscar Robertson 2,973
2. Sean Kilpatrick 2,145
3. Steve Logan 1,985
4. Deonta Vaughn 1,885
5. Danny Fortson 1,881
6. Roger McCLendon 1,789
7. Pat Cummings 1,762
8. Ron Bonham 1,666
9. Louis Banks 1,644
10. Jack Twyman 1,598
11. Lloyd Batts 1,585
12. Darnell Burton 1,584
13. Jason Maxiell 1,566
14. Robert Miller 1,498
15. Yancy Gates 1,485
16. Gary Clark 1,462
17. Dwight Jones 1,451
18. Paul Hogue 1,391
19. Bobby Austin 1,385
20. Derrek Dickey 1,328
21. Levertis Robinson 1,320
22. Leonard Stokes 1,318
23. Troy Caupain 1,317
23. Cashmere Wright 1,317
25. Damon Flint 1,316
26. Dion Dixon 1,281
27. Kenyon Martin 1,279
28. Jim Ard 1,256
29. Steve Collier 1,252
30. Jacob Evans 1,233
31. Eric Hicks 1,231
32. LaZelle Durden 1,219
33. Rick Roberson 1,196
34. Tom Thacker 1,152
35. Jim Holstein 1,146
36. George Wilson 1,124
37. Bill Lammert 1,119
37. Melvin Levett 1,119
39. Dick Dallmer 1,098
40. Herb Jones 1,097 (Two Years)
 
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