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(01-23-2018 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 11:09 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  To get to 1,500 career points he would need to average around 15 PPG down the stretch or slightly less if UC has a very deep run in March. Would put Clark 14th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding while passing both Paul Hogue and Robert Miller in those two categories.

I think he doesn't quite get to 1,500. Gary has come on strong the last three games with 14-17 point performances, but IMHO he will get back to baseline at some point and average 10-12 points a night over the last stretch of the season (based on his career averages). I see him finishing north of 1400 points and in that 16-17 range. Obviously a lot of this is dependent on how many games we play in the conference tournament and NCAAT.

OTOH, I listened to Mick's interview with the media and he indicated he has counseled Gary of late to start putting up more points so that it will help get him "noticed" by scouts for his professional career. Its possible that the 14-15 points will be the new norm, since the 10-12 ppg was based on Gary being unselfish and distributing the ball.

If you noticed he's also told him starting dunking ball at rim and increase his rebound numbers. He's going after ALL rebounds. I even noticed our guards have been told let our bigs grab rebounds for the numbers.
 
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(01-25-2018 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
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(01-24-2018 04:42 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  It's hard to compare players who play completely different positions, and I know next to nothing about players before the Huggins era. But considering the Huggins and Cronin eras, I would put Gary Clark either 3rd or 4th among the 4's and 5's, either just ahead of or just behind Maxiell. Martin and Fortson are in their own class, with Clark and Maxiell heading up the 2nd tier, along with Hicks and Gates. The tough ones to rank are guys like Corie Blount and Dontonio Wingfield, who weren't here long but did go to the NBA. Blount in particular had a really long NBA career. Hell, even Art Long had a stint in the NBA, even if he didn't exactly make us proud to be Bearcats fans...

I thought Wingfield was better than Maxiell here... they played different, but as a freshman, DW averaged more Pts, Reb, Stls and Assists than Maxiell ever did in a season. Maxiell played his role well and worked his butt off tho, Wingfield wasn't good enough to be a star in the NBA, but his game was suited to be a teams alpha. Also really depends if you're comparing peak season or career. Each player at their best I go Martin, Fortson, Clark, Wingfield, Blount, Maxiell, Brannen, Gates

Wingfield was the most talented freshman UC had in the modern era. One year simply isn't enough to put him above some of those other guys.
wingfield wasnt more gifted than demaar johnson
 
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I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson
 
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(01-25-2018 05:14 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 11:09 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  To get to 1,500 career points he would need to average around 15 PPG down the stretch or slightly less if UC has a very deep run in March. Would put Clark 14th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding while passing both Paul Hogue and Robert Miller in those two categories.

I think he doesn't quite get to 1,500. Gary has come on strong the last three games with 14-17 point performances, but IMHO he will get back to baseline at some point and average 10-12 points a night over the last stretch of the season (based on his career averages). I see him finishing north of 1400 points and in that 16-17 range. Obviously a lot of this is dependent on how many games we play in the conference tournament and NCAAT.

OTOH, I listened to Mick's interview with the media and he indicated he has counseled Gary of late to start putting up more points so that it will help get him "noticed" by scouts for his professional career. Its possible that the 14-15 points will be the new norm, since the 10-12 ppg was based on Gary being unselfish and distributing the ball.

If you noticed he's also told him starting dunking ball at rim and increase his rebound numbers. He's going after ALL rebounds. I even noticed our guards have been told let our bigs grab rebounds for the numbers.
Huh? Are u in the huddle? How is it possible that just the bigs get rebounds? That's a recipe for being dominated on the boards,,and losing...
 
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(01-25-2018 05:32 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:14 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 11:09 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  To get to 1,500 career points he would need to average around 15 PPG down the stretch or slightly less if UC has a very deep run in March. Would put Clark 14th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding while passing both Paul Hogue and Robert Miller in those two categories.

I think he doesn't quite get to 1,500. Gary has come on strong the last three games with 14-17 point performances, but IMHO he will get back to baseline at some point and average 10-12 points a night over the last stretch of the season (based on his career averages). I see him finishing north of 1400 points and in that 16-17 range. Obviously a lot of this is dependent on how many games we play in the conference tournament and NCAAT.

OTOH, I listened to Mick's interview with the media and he indicated he has counseled Gary of late to start putting up more points so that it will help get him "noticed" by scouts for his professional career. Its possible that the 14-15 points will be the new norm, since the 10-12 ppg was based on Gary being unselfish and distributing the ball.

If you noticed he's also told him starting dunking ball at rim and increase his rebound numbers. He's going after ALL rebounds. I even noticed our guards have been told let our bigs grab rebounds for the numbers.
Huh? Are u in the huddle? How is it possible that just the bigs get rebounds? That's a recipe for being dominated on the boards,,and losing...
lmao nah just been around sports all my life. If a big or guard battling for rebound you keep your big happy and let him get rebound. Bigs make money off getting rebounds. Mick even mentioned Gary needs as many rebounds as possible to get drafted. On defensive rebounds for most part our guards letting bigs get them.
 
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(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

The stats say otherwise

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ate-1.html
 
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(01-25-2018 05:16 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 10:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 07:01 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 04:42 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  It's hard to compare players who play completely different positions, and I know next to nothing about players before the Huggins era. But considering the Huggins and Cronin eras, I would put Gary Clark either 3rd or 4th among the 4's and 5's, either just ahead of or just behind Maxiell. Martin and Fortson are in their own class, with Clark and Maxiell heading up the 2nd tier, along with Hicks and Gates. The tough ones to rank are guys like Corie Blount and Dontonio Wingfield, who weren't here long but did go to the NBA. Blount in particular had a really long NBA career. Hell, even Art Long had a stint in the NBA, even if he didn't exactly make us proud to be Bearcats fans...

I thought Wingfield was better than Maxiell here... they played different, but as a freshman, DW averaged more Pts, Reb, Stls and Assists than Maxiell ever did in a season. Maxiell played his role well and worked his butt off tho, Wingfield wasn't good enough to be a star in the NBA, but his game was suited to be a teams alpha. Also really depends if you're comparing peak season or career. Each player at their best I go Martin, Fortson, Clark, Wingfield, Blount, Maxiell, Brannen, Gates

Wingfield was the most talented freshman UC had in the modern era. One year simply isn't enough to put him above some of those other guys.
wingfield wasnt more gifted than demaar johnson
Yes he was
 
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(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

The stats say otherwise

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ate-1.html

Jermaine f’ing Tate? Lmao!
 
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Jermaine Tate was a nice player and certainly could have put up more points had he not shared the front court with Kenyon. But he's not on Gary's level.
 
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(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

Bulldog back on the Henny...
 
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(01-25-2018 05:41 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

The stats say otherwise

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ate-1.html

tate was pretty good at ohio state, came here, shut up, and became a pretty good role player. loved tate
 
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When I watch Clark play, I think a lot of Jimmy Ard and Roberson in the late 60's, into early 70's. Many similarities, though Clark is probably the more accomplished shot blocker. All 3 are good at both ends, and play hard and smart. I will take any of them on my team.

I remember some great MVC games against UL - Wes Unseld vs. Ard and Roberson. Good teams from the era when only one team per conference went to the NCAA.

Roberson was probably a better outside shooter, though no 3 point line back then.
 
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(01-25-2018 07:15 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:41 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

The stats say otherwise

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ate-1.html

Jermaine f’ing Tate? Lmao!

I take it you dont know who tate is? He'll avg 20 and 10 in aac. Put up 13 and 6 in big ten, when every team had Jr or SR. He was only a Fr and So. LMAO
 
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(01-25-2018 07:45 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

Bulldog back on the Henny...

Tate
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gates
clark

and i think clark lock to go in 1st rd now. Whats go get him drafted? Being able to hit 3's and dribble ball up court and make plays. lmao didnt you say he would NEVER shoot 3s or dribble ball up court and get dunks like the one he did other night? Tell your fan base BULLDOG called clark being an All american and going to nba 5yrs ago!!!
 
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(01-25-2018 07:54 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:41 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

The stats say otherwise

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ate-1.html

tate was pretty good at ohio state, came here, shut up, and became a pretty good role player. loved tate

in aac has clark ever avg over 12pts playing on top 25team in country before this year?
 
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(01-27-2018 09:27 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 07:45 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

Bulldog back on the Henny...

Tate
Maxiell
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clark

and i think clark lock to go in 1st rd now. Whats go get him drafted? Being able to hit 3's and dribble ball up court and make plays. lmao didnt you say he would NEVER shoot 3s or dribble ball up court and get dunks like the one he did other night? Tell your fan base BULLDOG called clark being an All american and going to nba 5yrs ago!!!


Someone may take a chance on Clark at the end of the second, but I think it more likely if he gets an NBA opportunity it'll be undrafted.
Still, when it comes to people like Kilpatrick and Clark, I like it when those that work especially hard and will their way to success are rewarded.
 
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(01-27-2018 11:42 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 09:27 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 07:45 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

Bulldog back on the Henny...

Tate
Maxiell
gates
clark

and i think clark lock to go in 1st rd now. Whats go get him drafted? Being able to hit 3's and dribble ball up court and make plays. lmao didnt you say he would NEVER shoot 3s or dribble ball up court and get dunks like the one he did other night? Tell your fan base BULLDOG called clark being an All american and going to nba 5yrs ago!!!


Someone may take a chance on Clark at the end of the second, but I think it more likely if he gets an NBA opportunity it'll be undrafted.
Still, when it comes to people like Kilpatrick and Clark, I like it when those that work especially hard and will their way to success are rewarded.

clark highest rising draft prospect right now. just keep dunking like he has and playing elite D. kyle kuzma go make a lot of SR money this year. unless its cant miss the days of potential over production is long gone
 
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Clark is Mr. Consistency. What is his highest point total in a game? I think it is 21.
 
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that block he had after he fell down was kenyon martin esque
 
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(01-27-2018 09:22 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 07:15 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:41 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:20 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I still think jermaine tate best PF I've seen since fortson

The stats say otherwise

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ate-1.html

Jermaine f’ing Tate? Lmao!

I take it you dont know who tate is? He'll avg 20 and 10 in aac. Put up 13 and 6 in big ten, when every team had Jr or SR. He was only a Fr and So. LMAO

I know exactly who Jermaine Tate is. He played with Kenyon and Mickael and Fletch. He was a role player when he came to UC. He was one of the better players on those tOSU squads but i’m pretty sure they sucked back then. So LMAO.
 
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