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Gary Clark - Where Does He Stand All-Time?
I was pondering once Gary Clark finishes his Senior season where will he end up all-time with other Bearcat greats? Obviously, you can compare real numbers and there are intangibles that are harder to quantify. Objectivity vs. subjectivity. He also had aspects of his game early on that needed work. Remember how he would stand still dribbling with his back to the basket? He has definitely improved his game over the years and was always good on the defensive end. He does not have any All-American recognition but was named Second Team All-Conference (2016) and All-Rookie Team Conference (2015). It would seem he is in line for some level of All-Conference honors for this season. Here are some career numbers to ponder (Gary's current numbers and rank all-time vs. the player that I could readily find he is most closest to with rank all-time for each category):

Points
1,228 (30th) --- E. Hicks 1,231 (29th)

Boards
978 (6th) --- D. Jones 983 (5th)

Assists
239 (???) --- D. Flint 407 (7th)

Steals
138 (???) --- L. Banks 153 (7th)

Blocks
159 (5th) --- J. Jackson 219 (4th)

FG%
.523 (???) --- O. Robertson .535 (5th)

Games Played
121 (???) --- B. Brannen/L. Stokes/J. Maxiell/D. Vaughn/S. Thomas 129 (9th)

Games Started
119 (2nd) --- D. Vaughn 123 (1st)

He will continue to add to his career numbers and has a chance to make an impact for the conference title, conference tournament and NCAAT this year. He has a decent shot to finish near the Top 20 All-Time in scoring. He has some nice all-around numbers for his career that reflects his play on the court. He sure has been fun to watch especially this year.
 
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I would also put Gary on the "All Time Good People" list for UC basketball players.
 
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He seems like a good guy. He has been a solid player in the range of #20.

All things considered that is damn good.
 
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I think I would place Gary on about on the same tier as Max, Hicks, Ruben, Brannen. As far as Mick guys go, he is probably the 2nd most significant player to come through with Cash and Gates behind him.
 
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High character guy. Tremendous work ethic. Never any trouble on or off the court. The kind of 4-year guy who epitomizes what it means to be a Bearcat. Work hard, get better, become a model for the younger guys on the team, and potentially look at making a paycheck with your athletic skills, your consistency, your unselfishness and your positive attitude. Gary can be frustrating at times because he could actually be better offensively than he is, but his defense, rebounding and team leadership qualities are off the charts. He is the centerpiece of this year's team, and if UC goes reaches some of its goals this season, Gary will be long remembered as one of the best to ever wear the Red and Black.
 
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(01-17-2018 06:01 PM)jarr Wrote:  I think I would place Gary on about on the same tier as Max, Hicks, Ruben, Brannen. As far as Mick guys go, he is probably the 2nd most significant player to come through with Cash and Gates behind him.

Significant, still probably have Lance Stephenson and Sean Kilpatrick ahead of Gary Clark... As far as production for the Cats, he'll probably be #1 of the Mick era.

Think SK gets the best single season under Mick, and Gary Clark gets the best 4 year career under Mick.
 
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Looking at the rebounding record, Gary will wind up 3rd all time with ~1100 at the end of the season (the top two guys have 1250-1350).

Scoring wise Gary will finish 17-18th if he averages 10-11 points a game the rest of the season.
 
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(01-17-2018 06:09 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  .Never any trouble on or off the court.

Never any trouble but very often a problem
 
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ucbrownsfan ' Wrote:  Significant, still probably have Lance Stephenson and Sean Kilpatrick ahead of Gary Clark...

You could convince me of Sean - but lance?? He was a disappointment. Didn't make the team better, didn't even play particularly well. Most talented, sure. But that's it.
 
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(01-17-2018 11:07 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  
ucbrownsfan ' Wrote:  Significant, still probably have Lance Stephenson and Sean Kilpatrick ahead of Gary Clark...

You could convince me of Sean - but lance?? He was a disappointment. Didn't make the team better, didn't even play particularly well. Most talented, sure. But that's it.

A big part of significant to me is being able to show recruits we have guys with long NBA careers, like it or not Lance is that guy. SK hopefully establishes himself too. I think significance includes a team getting to an elite 8, or the player becoming a NBA player etc. I'd love to see Gary Clark do it at the next level... his shooting has improved so much - 80%+ from the foul line.
 
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(01-17-2018 06:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Looking at the rebounding record, Gary will wind up 3rd all time with ~1100 at the end of the season (the top two guys have 1250-1350).

Scoring wise Gary will finish 17-18th if he averages 10-11 points a game the rest of the season.

Good number projections. If these play out this way, he is in some select company. In particular, his rebounding has seemingly happened under the radar for some reason. He's already grabbed more career boards than Gates, Maxiell, Hicks, Fortson and Martin:

1. Oscar Robertson 1,338
2. Jack Twyman 1,242
3. Paul Hogue 1,088
4. Robert Miller 1,060
5. Dwight Jones 983
6. Gary Clark 978
7. Rick Roberson 945
8. Jim Ard 941
9. Connie Dierking 929
10. Yancy Gates 916
11. Jason Maxiell 908
12. George Wilson 888
12. Eric Hicks 888
14. Danny Fortson 873
15. Kenyon Martin 869
 
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In The Cronin Era he just pasted Gates for the Double-Double lead with 24 in a career with the one at UCF.
 
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(01-17-2018 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 11:07 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  
ucbrownsfan ' Wrote:  Significant, still probably have Lance Stephenson and Sean Kilpatrick ahead of Gary Clark...

You could convince me of Sean - but lance?? He was a disappointment. Didn't make the team better, didn't even play particularly well. Most talented, sure. But that's it.

A big part of significant to me is being able to show recruits we have guys with long NBA careers, like it or not Lance is that guy. SK hopefully establishes himself too. I think significance includes a team getting to an elite 8, or the player becoming a NBA player etc. I'd love to see Gary Clark do it at the next level... his shooting has improved so much - 80%+ from the foul line.

Is Lance still in the League?
 
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(01-19-2018 12:25 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 11:49 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 11:07 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  
ucbrownsfan ' Wrote:  Significant, still probably have Lance Stephenson and Sean Kilpatrick ahead of Gary Clark...

You could convince me of Sean - but lance?? He was a disappointment. Didn't make the team better, didn't even play particularly well. Most talented, sure. But that's it.

A big part of significant to me is being able to show recruits we have guys with long NBA careers, like it or not Lance is that guy. SK hopefully establishes himself too. I think significance includes a team getting to an elite 8, or the player becoming a NBA player etc. I'd love to see Gary Clark do it at the next level... his shooting has improved so much - 80%+ from the foul line.

Is Lance still in the League?

Yup. He fell out for a little after the move to Charlotte but has since found a nice role with the Pacers. He's actually a fan favorite in Indianapolis; his antics are worth a few YouTube searches. Most recently he drew a technical on Lebron for, well, being Lance.
 
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i call lance, mini triple double. stuffs stat sheets on a nightly bases. never shoulda left indy.

i'm surprised danny and kenyon aren't higher on the rebounding list. i know danny lost a year and kenyon was a bit limited his freshman year, but still
 
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(01-19-2018 01:24 PM)Lush Wrote:  i call lance, mini triple double. stuffs stat sheets on a nightly bases. never shoulda left indy.

i'm surprised danny and kenyon aren't higher on the rebounding list. i know danny lost a year and kenyon was a bit limited his freshman year, but still

If Danny would have stayed for his senior season he would have finished with ~1200 (assuming he got his 9 rebound a game average from the two years prior). Its pretty spectacular when you considered he shared the boards with Art Long who was grabbing 7.5-8 boards a game himself those years.

Kenyon's numbers would have been better had he been able to play more his freshman year. He only averaged his 10 minutes a game that year.
 
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(01-19-2018 01:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 01:24 PM)Lush Wrote:  i call lance, mini triple double. stuffs stat sheets on a nightly bases. never shoulda left indy.

i'm surprised danny and kenyon aren't higher on the rebounding list. i know danny lost a year and kenyon was a bit limited his freshman year, but still

If Danny would have stayed for his senior season he would have finished with ~1200 (assuming he got his 9 rebound a game average from the two years prior). Its pretty spectacular when you considered he shared the boards with Art Long who was grabbing 7.5-8 boards a game himself those years.

Kenyon's numbers would have been better had he been able to play more his freshman year. He only averaged his 10 minutes a game that year.

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda ... Oscar and Paul Hogue only played for three years too.
 
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(01-19-2018 01:45 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 01:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 01:24 PM)Lush Wrote:  i call lance, mini triple double. stuffs stat sheets on a nightly bases. never shoulda left indy.

i'm surprised danny and kenyon aren't higher on the rebounding list. i know danny lost a year and kenyon was a bit limited his freshman year, but still

If Danny would have stayed for his senior season he would have finished with ~1200 (assuming he got his 9 rebound a game average from the two years prior). Its pretty spectacular when you considered he shared the boards with Art Long who was grabbing 7.5-8 boards a game himself those years.

Kenyon's numbers would have been better had he been able to play more his freshman year. He only averaged his 10 minutes a game that year.

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda ... Oscar and Paul Hogue only played for three years too.

Agreed-- I was merely explaining to Lush the reason for Danny and Kenyon's production.
 
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(01-19-2018 01:48 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 01:45 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 01:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 01:24 PM)Lush Wrote:  i call lance, mini triple double. stuffs stat sheets on a nightly bases. never shoulda left indy.

i'm surprised danny and kenyon aren't higher on the rebounding list. i know danny lost a year and kenyon was a bit limited his freshman year, but still

If Danny would have stayed for his senior season he would have finished with ~1200 (assuming he got his 9 rebound a game average from the two years prior). Its pretty spectacular when you considered he shared the boards with Art Long who was grabbing 7.5-8 boards a game himself those years.

Kenyon's numbers would have been better had he been able to play more his freshman year. He only averaged his 10 minutes a game that year.

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda ... Oscar and Paul Hogue only played for three years too.

Agreed-- I was merely explaining to Lush the reason for Danny and Kenyon's production.

which i had mentioned as well. just figured they woulda been higher up even considering those two years
 
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Danny was counted on to score. Boards were a bonus. That's what makes Oscar's rebounding numbers so incredible. Face it, Rob was a one of a kind God-given talent who would dominate even in today's era.
 
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