(01-18-2018 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump chose to end DACA. If he has not done that, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

Thanks Trump

DACA is an executive order, not law. He is fully within his right to end it. Are you even aware what the "DA" in DACA stands for? It's DEFERRED ACTION, meaning action will be taken sometime in the future... Guess what, it's the future and the president is legally ending an EO signed by the previous president. Do you know why DACA was an EO and not law? Because not even the libs in congress wanted to have a vote on something like that leading up to the 2016 elections.

Personally I hope the dems follow through with their govt shutdown bull****. It will be a massive winner for the Republicans when they play the tapes of all the dems bashing the GOP for the shutdown over Obamacare and then flipping to support a shutdown over DACA. DACA isn't a budget issue, it should never be part of the budget conversation. Republicans hold the high ground on this and can drive dems into the ground in the election over them shutting down the govt over DACA instead of doing their jobs on the budget.

Dems still don't realize they are overplaying their hand severely on immigration. They're drawing against a made hand. All the Republicans have to do is not blink.

Of course he is in his right to end it But own it. Don't jack up the system and then blame the democrats when things don't turn out the way you hoped.

Man up Trump.

#shitehole isn't manning up???

you have nothing in rebuttal.....keep trying.....

#enjoylosing

(01-18-2018 01:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump chose to end DACA. If he has not done that, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

Thanks Trump

DACA is an executive order, not law. He is fully within his right to end it. Are you even aware what the "DA" in DACA stands for? It's DEFERRED ACTION, meaning action will be taken sometime in the future... Guess what, it's the future and the president is legally ending an EO signed by the previous president. Do you know why DACA was an EO and not law? Because not even the libs in congress wanted to have a vote on something like that leading up to the 2016 elections.

Personally I hope the dems follow through with their govt shutdown bull****. It will be a massive winner for the Republicans when they play the tapes of all the dems bashing the GOP for the shutdown over Obamacare and then flipping to support a shutdown over DACA. DACA isn't a budget issue, it should never be part of the budget conversation. Republicans hold the high ground on this and can drive dems into the ground in the election over them shutting down the govt over DACA instead of doing their jobs on the budget.

Dems still don't realize they are overplaying their hand severely on immigration. They're drawing against a made hand. All the Republicans have to do is not blink.

Of course he is in his right to end it But own it. Don't jack up the system and then blame the democrats when things don't turn out the way you hoped.

Man up Trump.

#shitehole isn't manning up???

you have nothing in rebuttal.....keep trying.....

#enjoylosing

Shithole isn't manning up its a cop out.

I don't have a real reason to keep Africans from entering the country so I'll just make up some bull **** like , "Well they come from **** hole countries"

I would have had more respect for him if he would have just come out and said I don't like black people but he doesn't even have the balls to say that.

He's a coward.

(01-18-2018 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump chose to end DACA. If he has not done that, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

Thanks Trump

DACA is an executive order, not law. He is fully within his right to end it. Are you even aware what the "DA" in DACA stands for? It's DEFERRED ACTION, meaning action will be taken sometime in the future... Guess what, it's the future and the president is legally ending an EO signed by the previous president. Do you know why DACA was an EO and not law? Because not even the libs in congress wanted to have a vote on something like that leading up to the 2016 elections.

Personally I hope the dems follow through with their govt shutdown bull****. It will be a massive winner for the Republicans when they play the tapes of all the dems bashing the GOP for the shutdown over Obamacare and then flipping to support a shutdown over DACA. DACA isn't a budget issue, it should never be part of the budget conversation. Republicans hold the high ground on this and can drive dems into the ground in the election over them shutting down the govt over DACA instead of doing their jobs on the budget.

Dems still don't realize they are overplaying their hand severely on immigration. They're drawing against a made hand. All the Republicans have to do is not blink.

Of course he is in his right to end it But own it. Don't jack up the system and then blame the democrats when things don't turn out the way you hoped.

Man up Trump.

#shitehole isn't manning up???

you have nothing in rebuttal.....keep trying.....

#enjoylosing

Shithole isn't manning up its a cop out.

I don't have a real reason to keep Africans from entering the country so I'll just make up some bull **** like , "Well they come from **** hole countries"

I would have had more respect for him if he would have just come out and said I don't like black people but he doesn't even have the balls to say that.

He's a coward.

so vote dem and move on.....it's pretty dayum simple son.....

(01-18-2018 12:04 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 10:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 09:08 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 08:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 08:23 PM)58-56 Wrote:  Correct. The link and the header are Fake News.

Members of Congress are also considered essential and receive their pay. Their staff are not and do not.

https://www.military.com/paycheck-chroni...itary.html

Quote:There are a couple of big myths that make military folks think that they shouldn’t be worried about their pay during a government shutdown. Please understand that military pay absolutely can be impacted during a government shutdown.

Myth 1: My contract guarantees that I’ll be paid.

Nope. In one of the rare pieces of information that is know, the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS) states, "In case of a potential government shutdown, the Department of Defense has no legal authority to pay any personnel - military or civilian - for the days during which the government is shut down."

In most past shutdowns, the shutdown was short, and occurred between pay periods, so pay wasn’t impacted. But just because that is how it has happened in the past doesn't mean that is how it will happen in the future.

Myth 2: They passed a bill guaranteeing military pay.

Yes, they did, for the shutdown that occurred in 2013. That bill only applied to that fiscal year, and does not apply to any future shutdowns.

There is always the possibility that a similar bill would be passed for any future shutdowns, but I wouldn’t count on it.

So then the lawmakers and the President need to stop pointing fingers and figure it out. if they can not avoid a shutdown then at least make sure all essential personnel that are required to work get the pay they earn.

Then tell your side to stop siding with criminals and vote for the president's plan. If they don't then be prepared to explain to over a million men and women in the armed services and many more veterans why your side chose supporting criminals over supporting the military.

As I said it takes two to tango and both sides could pass a measure to ensure payment to the military.

There's only one side complicating things by adding a non-budget issue like DACA to the negotiations.

Like I've said before....going to enjoy seeing the leftists explain to over a million active duty and many more million veterans why they supported illegal aliens over our troops.

(01-17-2018 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 02:46 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 01:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 01:32 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  how much would it cost to load up those 800,000 on planes, fly them to wherever they came from and push them out?

In money or broken families?

Of course you are talking about money because we all know that's all that conservatives care about. So what about the broken families right?

Not true. There is no reason for a family to break.

If Family Member A is here illegally, then Family Members B through x can choose to remain a unit and migrate to the country of Family Member A's origin.

The "broken family" cry is really just a misdirection trying to play on emotion rather than logic.


But I see the correlation to excuses here...

You say it was a crime of passion? Oh, then never mind. No jail time for you. You're excused. Go on about your business.

You cannot be serious. Would you be willing to move to a country where you have no family, don't know the language, and don't have a secure form of income?

no family, don't know the language... people do it every day.

Why wouldn't you have a secure form of income in Mexico?

(01-17-2018 04:08 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 02:46 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 01:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 01:32 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  how much would it cost to load up those 800,000 on planes, fly them to wherever they came from and push them out?

In money or broken families?

Of course you are talking about money because we all know that's all that conservatives care about. So what about the broken families right?

Not true. There is no reason for a family to break.

If Family Member A is here illegally, then Family Members B through x can choose to remain a unit and migrate to the country of Family Member A's origin.

The "broken family" cry is really just a misdirection trying to play on emotion rather than logic.


But I see the correlation to excuses here...

You say it was a crime of passion? Oh, then never mind. No jail time for you. You're excused. Go on about your business.

You cannot be serious. Would you be willing to move to a country where you have no family, don't know the language, and don't have a secure form of income?

If no one was willing to move to a country where they had no family, didn't know the language and had no secure form of income we wouldn't have an illegal immigration issue.

Yeah, this.

(01-18-2018 01:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  DACA is an executive order, not law. He is fully within his right to end it. Are you even aware what the "DA" in DACA stands for? It's DEFERRED ACTION, meaning action will be taken sometime in the future... Guess what, it's the future and the president is legally ending an EO signed by the previous president. Do you know why DACA was an EO and not law? Because not even the libs in congress wanted to have a vote on something like that leading up to the 2016 elections.

Personally I hope the dems follow through with their govt shutdown bull****. It will be a massive winner for the Republicans when they play the tapes of all the dems bashing the GOP for the shutdown over Obamacare and then flipping to support a shutdown over DACA. DACA isn't a budget issue, it should never be part of the budget conversation. Republicans hold the high ground on this and can drive dems into the ground in the election over them shutting down the govt over DACA instead of doing their jobs on the budget.

Dems still don't realize they are overplaying their hand severely on immigration. They're drawing against a made hand. All the Republicans have to do is not blink.

Of course he is in his right to end it But own it. Don't jack up the system and then blame the democrats when things don't turn out the way you hoped.

Man up Trump.

#shitehole isn't manning up???

you have nothing in rebuttal.....keep trying.....

#enjoylosing

Shithole isn't manning up its a cop out.

I don't have a real reason to keep Africans from entering the country so I'll just make up some bull **** like , "Well they come from **** hole countries"

I would have had more respect for him if he would have just come out and said I don't like black people but he doesn't even have the balls to say that.

He's a coward.

so vote dem and move on.....it's pretty dayum simple son.....

And get blamed for the stupid **** Democrats do? Hell no.

I'd rather not vote and blame everyone else who voted for the next dumb*** that wins the POTUS.

(01-17-2018 10:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 05:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  So the lesson here is that if you don't agree with a law you can break it.

Works for Joe Arpaio and Kim Davis.

Don't forget Antifa!

(01-18-2018 04:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 12:04 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 10:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 09:08 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 08:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  


https://www.military.com/paycheck-chroni...itary.html

So then the lawmakers and the President need to stop pointing fingers and figure it out. if they can not avoid a shutdown then at least make sure all essential personnel that are required to work get the pay they earn.

Then tell your side to stop siding with criminals and vote for the president's plan. If they don't then be prepared to explain to over a million men and women in the armed services and many more veterans why your side chose supporting criminals over supporting the military.

As I said it takes two to tango and both sides could pass a measure to ensure payment to the military.

There's only one side complicating things by adding a non-budget issue like DACA to the negotiations.

Like I've said before....going to enjoy seeing the leftists explain to over a million active duty and many more million veterans why they supported illegal aliens over our troops.

The military typically votes right so the Dems really have nothing to lose there. But again if they can not agree on DACA and have to shut down the government then as was done in 2013 they can make sure the military and other essential personnel get paid on time. Acting like it would not be both sides fault if they don't get paid it ridiculous.

DACA is a nothing.

It's an agreement we will look the other way long as you behave. Going military or marrying a citizen is about the only way to fix your problem.

I'm sympathetic. Pre-DACA there was young girl near here whose parents brought her to the US as infant and didn't learn she wasn't a citizen until she started getting her paperwork together to apply to college. Didn't even have paperwork to get her Mexican citizenship documented.

Got into college earned scholarship and all that and ended up deported shortly before graduation. That sucks, totally not her fault but by the same token, DACA wouldn't fix her core problem.

WHAT SURPRISES ME.
Is there has never been any really serious effort to amend the 14th amendment.
Redefining citizen as the child of a US citizen regardless where the birth took place or born in the US to a parent given permanent residency or a naturalized citizen eliminates the primary issues people have. Jus soli was needed in the 14th Amendment to resolve the status of freed slaves, we can switch to Jus sanguinis and the whole worry about people entering to give birth goes away.

(01-18-2018 05:24 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 04:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 12:04 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 10:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 09:08 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  So then the lawmakers and the President need to stop pointing fingers and figure it out. if they can not avoid a shutdown then at least make sure all essential personnel that are required to work get the pay they earn.

Then tell your side to stop siding with criminals and vote for the president's plan. If they don't then be prepared to explain to over a million men and women in the armed services and many more veterans why your side chose supporting criminals over supporting the military.

As I said it takes two to tango and both sides could pass a measure to ensure payment to the military.

There's only one side complicating things by adding a non-budget issue like DACA to the negotiations.

Like I've said before....going to enjoy seeing the leftists explain to over a million active duty and many more million veterans why they supported illegal aliens over our troops.

The military typically votes right so the Dems really have nothing to lose there. But again if they can not agree on DACA and have to shut down the government then as was done in 2013 they can make sure the military and other essential personnel get paid on time. Acting like it would not be both sides fault if they don't get paid it ridiculous.

Active duty troops voted 3/1 and veterans voted 2/1. Yes, they tend to support Republicans more but there's a lot of votes for you dims to lose here with none to gain from non-citizens.