(01-17-2018 09:10 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 06:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 06:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:17 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...036681001/

They are trying to take the route West Virginia took to get away from Virginia during the civil war so it's a long shot but newsworthy. The bulk of the land area of the state wants to get away from the coast (Bay area to LA). The irony to me is that after Trump was elected, I saw lots of Californian's that wanted to secede from the US...

Anyway, seeing as how most of the universities in Cali are in the coastal counties that would remain California I don't see how this affects my beloved college football picture with one exception.

I'm not a Cali boy but I am familiar with their world wide recognized university system. Not to get into too much detail but when designed there were 3 components: UC system (The top system for grad level research), The State system (teachers and such), and finally community college system (which would funnel students to the UC and State system). For the same reason that all of the Big Ten school and Pac 12 schools are MAJOR research schools if "New California" were to dump a whole bunch of money into a school it would make sense to me if they use one of the current UC schools which already has the infrastructure to do massive amounts of research, I mean... why reinvent the wheel.

"New California" would encompass 4 of the present 10 UC University systems.
UC Irvine (Orange County)
UC Merced (Merced County)
UC Riverside (Riverside County)
UC San Diego (San Diego County)

I don't know enough about California to know which of those schools are the most attractive for flagship or if they'll choose the New York style of not naming a flagship (huge mistake) but I think they'll have to attract attention to at least one of their schools athletically if they are to get out of the shadow of "old" California.

You cannot secede from the US or from any US state.

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West Virginia says, "Hold my beer"

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Cool, all you need is a civil war

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XACLY!

Although a territory during the colonial period, Maine split off from Massachusetts and became its own state in 1820. Of course, this was so the Union could have another Free State since Missouri was granted statehood.

Wake me up when. ANY of these past situations remotely resembles the California situacion.

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(01-18-2018 01:54 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  As for the original question - I would think UC-San Diego would become the 'flagship' UC school for New California, in the unlikely event that a split actually happens. UC-San Diego has the largest endowment of the schools in the area (only UCLA and Berkeley are higher)

UC Davis has the next largest endowment, and has more students than UC-San Diego, but I can't quite tell from the map which state it would be in. I don't know California very well but according to the OP it would still be in "Old California"

I'm not really sold on New California being able to be one state though. I'm not sure northern "New Californians" would want their state flagship at the southern extreme of the state. I would probably split it into two, having a North California and South California, while leaving the coast as just "California". I have no idea which of the UC schools could be a 'flagship' for North California though, unless they can get Davis.

San Diego State and Fresno State would be the only FBS schools in the state. Fresno would be a more ideal location as the flagship for the state schools, but again San Diego State has the better endowment/facilities/enrollment and would likely be the leading candidate, assuming they made one into a flagship.

If it was all up to me, I'd probably make UC-San Diego into the University of New California (UNC), and Fresno State into New Cal State University. UNC would then start football at the FBS level, having setup rivalries with San Diego State and New Cal state. San Diego State and New Cal State would then lobby hard for the MWC to drop San Jose State and pick up UNC instead. Maybe one of San Diego/Fresno is named New Cal Tech instead, so all three can be flagships.

UC-Davis is 15 miles due west of Sacramento. The map appears to place UC-Davis in New California.

From a cultural and structural standpoint, I think it would make sense to create three new states - Northern California, Southern California, and Jefferson (that includes counties from southern Oregon). The "original" California would keep the Sacramento-San Francisco-Los Angeles corridor and still contain a population over 20 million. It woudl boast three UC institutions - UCLA, Berkley, UC-Santa Barbara; as well as CSUN, Long Beach State, Cal Poly, and Cal State-Sacramento.

Southern California
The state's borders could include San Bernardino and Orange counties to the Mexican border. Population would be almost 8 million. San Diego could be the capital and UCSD the flagship. Southern California would also include UC-Irvine, UC-Riverside, SDSU, and Cal State-Fullerton.

Northern California
Its territory could cover Bakersfield in the south to San Jose and the Sacramento outskirts in the North. Population would be over 4 million. Fresno or San Jose could be the capital. UC-Merced would be the flagship, with Fresno St. and San Jose St. included.

Jefferson
The proposed territory for the Jefferson State movement would cover from just south of Eugene and Bend, Oregon in the north to the Sacramento outskirts in the south. Jefferson's capital could be Redding or Medford. Jefferson would be a mostly rural state, but still boast a population of about 3 million. UC-Davis could be its flagship, if the Sacramento outskirts and Sonoma were part of Jefferson - and not Northern California. (not sure if the counties between Redding and Sacramento would side with Jefferson or the San Joaguin Valley, if there was an option). The only other current universities that I can think of in Jefferson would be Chico State, Southern Oregon (in Ashland), and the Oregon Institute of Technology (in Klamath Falls).

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I disagree with what the ,ap looks like. Fresno is a blue city surrounded by a sea of red.
San jose and the east bay area voted for Hillary.
The Irvine/Riverside and the other cities are Democratic cities.
Several parts of San Diego will fight like hell to stay in California and would not want any parts of the 51st state.

They want to grab land and cities away from the Democrats to the 51st state. California as a whole is becoming all blue state wide.