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JMU Men's BB snakebitten again
Wow --- JMU Hoops continues to amaze in how they find ways to loose the close one. During yesterday's game against Delaware, when JMU went up by 7 with a little over 3 minutes left, I turned to the people sitting behind me and told them...."Delaware has JMU right where they want them, down 7 late in the game." Sure enough, an 8-0 run to end this one sealed the deal. What's got to be frustrating for these players is they're not a bad team and very easily could be a couple games over .500 this season....

Current Record: Overall 4-15 (CAA 0-6)

vs Radford (L 69-68) - Took a 68-67 lead with 1:05 to go. Played tough defense in final minute but could not secure defensive rebound when needed, giving Radford multiple chances. Radford took advantage & scored go-ahead back with 5 seconds left for the win.

vs George Mason (L 76-72) - How can you forget this one. Unbelievable chain of events with officiating that turned a 71-67 lead with 7 seconds left into a 71-74 deficit with 6 seconds left.

vs Citadel (L 84-82) - Odd game with this one. Battled from 17 down with 15 minutes to go in 2nd half to actually build a 7 point lead with just under 3 minutes to play. Ended up getting outscored 11-2 over the last 3 minutes for the loss.

vs Richmond (L 74-71) - Tight game throughout with a Richmond 3 pointer with 1 second left being the difference.

vs Hofstra (L 87-81 OT) - Led for most of the 2nd half, but allowed a 3 pointer with 1 second left in regulation, forcing overtime in which we eventually lost.

vs W&M (L 89-82 OT) - Another hard game to forget. JMU led by 20 points in this game and completely collapsed down the stretch. Blew a 9 point lead with 55 seconds left, capped off by a 3 pointer with 5 seconds forcing overtime in which W&M continued their run.

vs Delaware (L 61-60) - End of game collapse again as UD closed out this win with a 8-0 run over the final 3 minutes to secure the 1 point decision.

Seven games.....all winnable....and had we won, very different conversations being had. Record at this point would be respectable:

Overall 11-8 (CAA 3-3)

Hoping we can right this ship this coming week with home games against ELON and Drexel.
01-14-2018 07:26 AM
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Brutal. While we could be better and could have a better record after a while when team's find ways to lose it kind of is who they are. This team isn't very good and will probably have us saying this and scratching our heads all season. They just don't execute when up in the game- The offense isn't good enough to try to let the air out of the ball and wind the shot clock down and expect to get a good shot. Other teams can do that against JMU and get a layout or open 3 as the shot clock winds down- the Dukes get a step back 3 or a fade away floater. I think someone else said- drive the ball to the basket in those situations. They are pretty good at that and it's kind of what Rowe preaches on offense anyway.
01-14-2018 07:52 AM
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This is a much better team with Phillips on the court. They either need to get him some defensive help or bring him off the bench instead of starting him. He only played 15 minutes yesterday before fouling out.
01-14-2018 10:24 AM
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Sigh. We have bungled the MBB coaching position so badly over the past 20+ years, this should surprise absolutely nobody. Dillard Part Deux.
01-14-2018 10:51 AM
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Perhaps we should send a late Xmas gift to the coaching staff?

https://smile.amazon.com/Coaching-Basket...l+coaching
01-14-2018 12:12 PM
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And I say that as a proponent of this coaching staff. I have the feeling that these coaches have their eyes solely on JMU, and not scouting for the "next best offer" that might be on the horizon. Let's hope that the first CAA win for this young team opens the floodgates.
01-14-2018 12:15 PM
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(01-14-2018 12:15 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  And I say that as a proponent of this coaching staff. I have the feeling that these coaches have their eyes solely on JMU, and not scouting for the "next best offer" that might be on the horizon. Let's hope that the first CAA win for this young team opens the floodgates.

I don't like the losses but I like the statements from the coaches. They do seem to be a committed group as do the players- and they are committed to seeing their way out of the hole that they have dug.

BTW a lot is said about the lack of pedigree for Rowe before getting the head job. FWIW the UNCW coach is struggling this year. His pedigree was as an assistant under Roy Williams at UNC. Sure UNCW lost their successful head man in Keatts and some kids to transfer and graduation but they had more returning talent coming into this season with the big who lead the nation in FG% last year and a guard or two than Rowe did last year. JMU had no pre season CAA players returning going into Rowe's first season- you can't say that for UNCW.

Just food for thought- sometimes it takes time- as in a few years- to strip it down and build it. Patience.
01-14-2018 10:18 PM
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I think this team is better with Lewis and Banks both starting and Joey not as I have watched games while he has been out injured. I hope we stick with that starting lineup when he heals up. I think Joey can be much more effective in a smaller quantity (10-15 min) off the bench. I like Joey's game so don't try to spin this as hating on Joey. I just think Joey's height (not his fault) gets exposed on defense on switches and bigger guards.
01-15-2018 12:35 PM
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(01-15-2018 12:35 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I think this team is better with Lewis and Banks both starting and Joey not as I have watched games while he has been out injured. I hope we stick with that starting lineup when he heals up. I think Joey can be much more effective in a smaller quantity (10-15 min) off the bench. I like Joey's game so don't try to spin this as hating on Joey. I just think Joey's height (not his fault) gets exposed on defense on switches and bigger guards.

I wish everyone had seen how well poor Joey played in practice prior to the start of the season and before his knees starting swelling up. I was not there but my understanding is that he also played well in the Virgin Islands. I hope that the one silver lining with the sprained ankle is that it might allow Joey to get his knees a bit healthier. At this point in the season it probably does make sense to let Lewis stay in the starting lineup and ease up on the minutes Joey plays.
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(01-15-2018 02:42 PM)Bogey Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 12:35 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I think this team is better with Lewis and Banks both starting and Joey not as I have watched games while he has been out injured. I hope we stick with that starting lineup when he heals up. I think Joey can be much more effective in a smaller quantity (10-15 min) off the bench. I like Joey's game so don't try to spin this as hating on Joey. I just think Joey's height (not his fault) gets exposed on defense on switches and bigger guards.

I wish everyone had seen how well poor Joey played in practice prior to the start of the season and before his knees starting swelling up. I was not there but my understanding is that he also played well in the Virgin Islands. I hope that the one silver lining with the sprained ankle is that it might allow Joey to get his knees a bit healthier. At this point in the season it probably does make sense to let Lewis stay in the starting lineup and ease up on the minutes Joey plays.

I had not heard of Joey having knee problems (probably because I have not been paying that much attention, especially around the holidays), but also hope a prolonged rest with help him out and help his shot. We need someone that can make 3s with some regularity. 4-22 against Delaware is a BIG reason we lost. We missed two in the corner on good, open looks that would have been the nail in the coffin.

In b4 "coulda, woulda, shoulda"
01-15-2018 04:52 PM
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I say they rest Joey until sometime in February to allow him to fully heal. Maybe he plays the last 3-4 weeks of the season to make sure he is in game shape for the CAA tournament. This will also give the Freshman ample playing time/experience. Joey would be fresh for the end of the season run. There is no value in rushing him back.
01-15-2018 08:08 PM
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(01-15-2018 08:08 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I say they rest Joey until sometime in February to allow him to fully heal. Maybe he plays the last 3-4 weeks of the season to make sure he is in game shape for the CAA tournament. This will also give the Freshman ample playing time/experience. Joey would be fresh for the end of the season run. There is no value in rushing him back.

Would love to see this happen. Would kinda force him into the appropriate role & give development time for everyone else.
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(01-15-2018 08:08 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I say they rest Joey until sometime in February to allow him to fully heal. Maybe he plays the last 3-4 weeks of the season to make sure he is in game shape for the CAA tournament. This will also give the Freshman ample playing time/experience. Joey would be fresh for the end of the season run. There is no value in rushing him back.

The silver lining is that while neither Lewis or Mosely are "natural" point guards both are capable and have pretty good assist to turnover ratios. With the 3 point shots, his size and his knack for getting to the rim Lewis reminds me a little of Curry. Curry wasn't as good as Lewis his Freshman year though.
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No word on Pinkard? Bench is thin if McLean sits in this hypothetical scenario
01-17-2018 09:30 AM
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Like others have said, they don't execute at the ends of games. A big part of it is maturity. I've seen them several times this year start to celebrate because they think the game is over and they then let their guard down, so to speak. They did that in the Delaware game when up 7 points and then Banks proceeded to miss the second of two free throws and everything unraveled from there. The other big flaw, strategically, is that they don't run good offense when they try to run the clock down, again as others have said. Couple that with missing free throws, turning the ball over and giving up dribble drives to the basket and you have your answer.

I'd also be curious to know what the cumulative scores are for the Dukes by half. If they're getting outscored in the second halves, it could be a case where their conditioning isn't good enough. In the first W&M game, I thought that the Tribe had worn down the Dukes certainly by the end of the game. W&M is a very well conditioned team from what I've seen...most of their players look like long distance runners. Dukeman2 should have a field day with this post.
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(01-18-2018 12:12 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Like others have said, they don't execute at the ends of games. A big part of it is maturity. I've seen them several times this year start to celebrate because they think the game is over and they then let their guard down, so to speak. They did that in the Delaware game when up 7 points and then Banks proceeded to miss the second of two free throws and everything unraveled from there. The other big flaw, strategically, is that they don't run good offense when they try to run the clock down, again as others have said. Couple that with missing free throws, turning the ball over and giving up dribble drives to the basket and you have your answer.

I'd also be curious to know what the cumulative scores are for the Dukes by half. If they're getting outscored in the second halves, it could be a case where their conditioning isn't good enough. In the first W&M game, I thought that the Tribe had worn down the Dukes certainly by the end of the game. W&M is a very well conditioned team from what I've seen...most of their players look like long distance runners. Dukeman2 should have a field day with this post.

I'll give you a learning experience/example from last game player and coach. Delaware plays a chippy style- Wilson gets the big basket but then gets T'd up for taunting. Learning lesson. In doing so he picks up his 3rd foul toward the end of the first half. Phillips was already in foul trouble but Rowe has to get Wilson out there- have him cool down. He leaves him in- next possession he picks up foul #4 and is basically done for the game prior to the end of the first half. Rowe then puts in Jacobs who played relatively well for the first time. Put Jacobs in after the Tech on Wilson. Learning lesson for coach and player there. Hopefully the next time- no tech and smarter substitutions.
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Did the Dukes bite the snake back tonight? Down 10 with 1:53 and finished with a flurry
01-18-2018 09:35 PM
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(01-18-2018 09:35 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Did the Dukes bite the snake back tonight? Down 10 with 1:53 and finished with a flurry

Nice to be on the other side of it finally, was feeling pretty bad for the guys. Took the lead immediately in OT and never looked back, hopefully getting that monkey off their backs to finish a W will lead to another one on Saturday.
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