(01-14-2018 01:53 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  He'd be crazy to leave Navy. They have a built in advantage over all AAC programs with their prep school set up. Read an article prior to football season where they keep 150 guys developing in the system all the time!!!! No one else can duplicate it in the league.

This is laughable.
Roster size is due to lack of athletic scholarships - every Navy football player is getting exctlly the same ride as every other midshipman. Essentially all walk-ons, so every school in the league has the capability to duplicate it.
You know what else comes from that? Our guys aren't on NLIs. Every recruit who "signed" in December could have undone that if they didn't like the coaching situation.
Same applies to the Prep School - every midshipman candidate at NAPS can get recruited elsewhere.

Put that together with the academic requirements and the pool shrinking to those willing to serve for five years...you sound foolish.

(01-14-2018 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So, question. This is twice Niumatalolo has "been in negotiations," (BYU last year, and now Arizona) yet decided to stay. I'm all for it, as I am a Navy fan, after Memphis.

But he is going to stop getting inquiries and offers, if he keeps this up. And if he doesn't care, why does he continue to interview for other jobs?

Any of you Navy fans have thoughts on this?

So even after turning down BYU, Coach Niumat was saying "I'll always listen." Part of that is common courtesy, part is knowing that you have to do what is right for the family in the end.

BYU obviously was a special situation.
Arizona? Well, the nest is empty and the kids -- and now the GRANDkid -- are all out west. Reports talked of chance for Va'a to be a GA. That would inclde grandbaby for Barbara...I also think this may have appealed as a different sort of rebuild. Team was there - RichRod had a winning season. This would have been a culture rebuild, though, which had to appeal to Coach Niumat.

He's not job hunting, so if they stop calling, they stop calling. The time he answers the call are nerve-wracking for us, but its a feel good moment when he comes back talking about Navy being a special place (He "gets it" about USNA more than Johnson ever did). And we KNOW now that Coach Jasper is waiting in the wings.

^^ Thanks.

Kevin Sumlin to AZ made too much sense.

(01-14-2018 03:25 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 01:53 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  He'd be crazy to leave Navy. They have a built in advantage over all AAC programs with their prep school set up. Read an article prior to football season where they keep 150 guys developing in the system all the time!!!! No one else can duplicate it in the league.

This is laughable.
Roster size is due to lack of athletic scholarships - every Navy football player is getting exctlly the same ride as every other midshipman. Essentially all walk-ons, so every school in the league has the capability to duplicate it.
You know what else comes from that? Our guys aren't on NLIs. Every recruit who "signed" in December could have undone that if they didn't like the coaching situation.
Same applies to the Prep School - every midshipman candidate at NAPS can get recruited elsewhere.

Put that together with the academic requirements and the pool shrinking to those willing to serve for five years...you sound foolish.

Let me first say I appreciate the men and women in uniform that provides the freedom we have today. Several members of my family have served. What these young people do is the ultimate selfless act in the USA.

I mean nothing derogatory toward any of our military institutions.

I was just repeating what I read in an article that was linked on this site. I think Navy brought in 54 kids this year to participate in the football program. The point of the article was the number of players including the prep school working in the same system which is unique and the advantage it creates. Programs can't do that in this conference.

Go Navy!!!!

(01-14-2018 07:03 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:25 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 01:53 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  He'd be crazy to leave Navy. They have a built in advantage over all AAC programs with their prep school set up. Read an article prior to football season where they keep 150 guys developing in the system all the time!!!! No one else can duplicate it in the league.

This is laughable.
Roster size is due to lack of athletic scholarships - every Navy football player is getting exctlly the same ride as every other midshipman. Essentially all walk-ons, so every school in the league has the capability to duplicate it.
You know what else comes from that? Our guys aren't on NLIs. Every recruit who "signed" in December could have undone that if they didn't like the coaching situation.
Same applies to the Prep School - every midshipman candidate at NAPS can get recruited elsewhere.

Put that together with the academic requirements and the pool shrinking to those willing to serve for five years...you sound foolish.

Let me first say I appreciate the men and women in uniform that provides the freedom we have today. Several members of my family have served. What these young people do is the ultimate selfless act in the USA.

I mean nothing derogatory toward any of our military institutions.

I was just repeating what I read in an article that was linked on this site. I think Navy brought in 54 kids this year to participate in the football program. The point of the article was the number of players including the prep school working in the same system which is unique and the advantage it creates. Programs can't do that in this conference.

Go Navy!!!!

No ill will considered.

But look at the pool we're drawing from - fanhood is right that we have a ceiling. We aren't stockpiling 4-stars 54 at a time.
The only reason we're as high as the middle of the pack of the conference in recruiting rankings is the sheer numbers - we don't even have any more 3-stars than anyone else in conference, so how are we advantage?
Anyone could get a greater number of walk-ons on the roster - in some cases MORE easily than we.

If the argument is "don't feel sorry for Navy - their recruiting constraints are offset by their ability to bring in more" okay, that is a different conversation, with arguments on both sides of that point.
If I'm parsing too much between "Navy has an advantage" and "don't feel sorry for Navy because of offsets" I'm willing to have THAT conversation, but I see a big difference between the two.

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So, question. This is twice Niumatalolo has "been in negotiations," (BYU last year, and now Arizona) yet decided to stay. I'm all for it, as I am a Navy fan, after Memphis.

But he is going to stop getting inquiries and offers, if he keeps this up. And if he doesn't care, why does he continue to interview for other jobs?

Any of you Navy fans have thoughts on this?

So even after turning down BYU, Coach Niumat was saying "I'll always listen." Part of that is common courtesy, part is knowing that you have to do what is right for the family in the end.

BYU obviously was a special situation.
Arizona? Well, the nest is empty and the kids -- and now the GRANDkid -- are all out west. Reports talked of chance for Va'a to be a GA. That would inclde grandbaby for Barbara...I also think this may have appealed as a different sort of rebuild. Team was there - RichRod had a winning season. This would have been a culture rebuild, though, which had to appeal to Coach Niumat.

He's not job hunting, so if they stop calling, they stop calling. The time he answers the call are nerve-wracking for us, but its a feel good moment when he comes back talking about Navy being a special place (He "gets it" about USNA more than Johnson ever did). And we KNOW now that Coach Jasper is waiting in the wings.

If Coach Ken has a couple more 10+ win seasons, schools will keep calling. Especially if they do a little more research on the triple option.

I also wonder if Coach Ken hesitated because Ivin wasn't in the best situation to take over. I think if the transition would be perceived as smooth, Coach Ken is gone. However, he has a love for the school and Ivin. I think he would have been hurt to see Ivin skipped over because of his family situation.

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So, question. This is twice Niumatalolo has "been in negotiations," (BYU last year, and now Arizona) yet decided to stay. I'm all for it, as I am a Navy fan, after Memphis.

But he is going to stop getting inquiries and offers, if he keeps this up. And if he doesn't care, why does he continue to interview for other jobs?

Any of you Navy fans have thoughts on this?

So even after turning down BYU, Coach Niumat was saying "I'll always listen." Part of that is common courtesy, part is knowing that you have to do what is right for the family in the end.

BYU obviously was a special situation.
Arizona? Well, the nest is empty and the kids -- and now the GRANDkid -- are all out west. Reports talked of chance for Va'a to be a GA. That would inclde grandbaby for Barbara...I also think this may have appealed as a different sort of rebuild. Team was there - RichRod had a winning season. This would have been a culture rebuild, though, which had to appeal to Coach Niumat.

He's not job hunting, so if they stop calling, they stop calling. The time he answers the call are nerve-wracking for us, but its a feel good moment when he comes back talking about Navy being a special place (He "gets it" about USNA more than Johnson ever did). And we KNOW now that Coach Jasper is waiting in the wings.

Exactly what Gregg Marshall does. Had he said after the F4 that he's never leaving Wichita, he'd likely not be making $3.5+ million a year right now.

Congratulations Navy, you've got a good one!


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(01-15-2018 08:06 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So, question. This is twice Niumatalolo has "been in negotiations," (BYU last year, and now Arizona) yet decided to stay. I'm all for it, as I am a Navy fan, after Memphis.

But he is going to stop getting inquiries and offers, if he keeps this up. And if he doesn't care, why does he continue to interview for other jobs?

Any of you Navy fans have thoughts on this?

So even after turning down BYU, Coach Niumat was saying "I'll always listen." Part of that is common courtesy, part is knowing that you have to do what is right for the family in the end.

BYU obviously was a special situation.
Arizona? Well, the nest is empty and the kids -- and now the GRANDkid -- are all out west. Reports talked of chance for Va'a to be a GA. That would inclde grandbaby for Barbara...I also think this may have appealed as a different sort of rebuild. Team was there - RichRod had a winning season. This would have been a culture rebuild, though, which had to appeal to Coach Niumat.

He's not job hunting, so if they stop calling, they stop calling. The time he answers the call are nerve-wracking for us, but its a feel good moment when he comes back talking about Navy being a special place (He "gets it" about USNA more than Johnson ever did). And we KNOW now that Coach Jasper is waiting in the wings.

Exactly what Gregg Marshall does. Had he said after the F4 that he's never leaving Wichita, he'd likely not be making $3.5+ million a year right now.

Congratulations Navy, you've got a good one!


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I'm glad Navy and the conference kept Coached Ken, he is a good one but your comparison between a college basketball coach and a college football coach are not similar whatsoever.

WSU has the same legitimate chance as Duke, UNC, Kansas etc have to make the Final Four or win the Natl Champ. So he's really in a win/win spot, he's making great money at a smaller school in a conference where he is more likely to win it every year and he doesn't have nearly the pressure of an ACC or Big Ten job.

College football is vastly different, even though the AAC is a great league we saw this year even with an undefeated season you're basically going to be playing in a bowl game that doesn't matter. I commend him for sticking with Navy but if he wishes to succeed at the highest level possible, he will have to leave Navy at some point. Of course he may not care about that at all, which is a good thing for them.

(01-16-2018 10:19 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 08:06 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So, question. This is twice Niumatalolo has "been in negotiations," (BYU last year, and now Arizona) yet decided to stay. I'm all for it, as I am a Navy fan, after Memphis.

But he is going to stop getting inquiries and offers, if he keeps this up. And if he doesn't care, why does he continue to interview for other jobs?

Any of you Navy fans have thoughts on this?

So even after turning down BYU, Coach Niumat was saying "I'll always listen." Part of that is common courtesy, part is knowing that you have to do what is right for the family in the end.

BYU obviously was a special situation.
Arizona? Well, the nest is empty and the kids -- and now the GRANDkid -- are all out west. Reports talked of chance for Va'a to be a GA. That would inclde grandbaby for Barbara...I also think this may have appealed as a different sort of rebuild. Team was there - RichRod had a winning season. This would have been a culture rebuild, though, which had to appeal to Coach Niumat.

He's not job hunting, so if they stop calling, they stop calling. The time he answers the call are nerve-wracking for us, but its a feel good moment when he comes back talking about Navy being a special place (He "gets it" about USNA more than Johnson ever did). And we KNOW now that Coach Jasper is waiting in the wings.

Exactly what Gregg Marshall does. Had he said after the F4 that he's never leaving Wichita, he'd likely not be making $3.5+ million a year right now.

Congratulations Navy, you've got a good one!


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I'm glad Navy and the conference kept Coached Ken, he is a good one but your comparison between a college basketball coach and a college football coach are not similar whatsoever.

WSU has the same legitimate chance as Duke, UNC, Kansas etc have to make the Final Four or win the Natl Champ. So he's really in a win/win spot, he's making great money at a smaller school in a conference where he is more likely to win it every year and he doesn't have nearly the pressure of an ACC or Big Ten job.

College football is vastly different, even though the AAC is a great league we saw this year even with an undefeated season you're basically going to be playing in a bowl game that doesn't matter. I commend him for sticking with Navy but if he wishes to succeed at the highest level possible, he will have to leave Navy at some point. Of course he may not care about that at all, which is a good thing for them.

Everything you said is 100% dead on but don’t waste your time, the WSU fans don’t get it. This is been explained at least five times in here that I’ve seen.