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(01-12-2018 06:23 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Lad -- a *big* differentiator are looking at *what* the EOs do. Many of Trump's specifically rollback previous EOs, or, rollback rulemaking authority.

Many of Obama's EOs had the effect of 'creating' law (see for example the incessant number of exemptions in Obamacare), or 'creating action' contrary to existing law (see for example DAPA and DACA, DAPA which has been found explicitly unconstitutional and DACA which has the same underlying problems.)

To a massive extent Obama used EOs as 'personal whim' devices, and to a great extent Obama used them *even* when they seemingly contradicted existing law.

Under Obamacare, Obama performed numerous 'personal regal decisions, regardless of what the f-ck the law said. Examples include

The Obama administration decided not to enforce the law’s employer mandate until 2015, and then delayed its enforcement a second time. (nowhere in the law)

After millions of Americans complained that their insurance plans had been canceled—contrary to Obama’s promise that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”—Obama declined to enforce aspects of the law that required those plans to shut down—until he was reelected. (again nowhere in the law)

The Obama administration decided—unilaterally—to waive Obamacare’s individual mandate, by granting a “hardship exemption” to anyone for whom Obamacare’s offerings were “unaffordable.” (again, nowhere in the law)

The Affordable Care Act forced insurers to offer plans with reduced co-pays and deductibles for those with very low-incomes, but didn’t appropriate the cost-sharing subsidies needed to pay for them. Facing a rebellion from insurers, who were being forced to cover these individuals at a loss, the Obama administration decided to spend the money anyway, even though they had *no legal authority* to do so.

You cite Trump's EO on the travel ban, but you neglect to cite the relevant portion of the statute where the legislature explicitly *gives* the power to stop travel under the immigration laws to the President. The courts have stretched the crap out the rubric to find that Trump's use was an unconstitutional discrimination on religion and race..... but again, the SCOTUS overturned the restraining orders.

Sorry, your line just doesnt hold water when you actually: a) compare the extralegal activities that Obama put into action using EOs; and b) look at the *what* *many* of Trump's EOs are actual rollbacks of Obama's extra-legal playground romp.

So yes, Obama stretched the f-ck out of executive power. Trump is mainly using executive power to curtail what the supposed Con law professor did with executive power.

I think my line still holds water - I really don't see evidence of Trump wanting to intentionally curtail the power of the executive as much as erase Obama's actions or reduce government's influence in general. Again, it is just happenstance that reducing Obama's "legacy" or government's influence, somewhat coincides with rolling back Obama's use of the EOs.

As I said in another post, Session's at the DOJ might actually be basing his decisions off of a similar idea since they have said the DOJ will no longer operate off of the internal memos.
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Let's look at one of the more controversial executive orders: the one calling for the construction of a border wall. That's not an expansion of the executive's power. The president already has the authority to regulate the border. The wall isn't getting built. Why? Congress hasn't funded it. Funding is a legislative power. If Trump were truly interested expanding executive power the executive order would include a means of funding it - like diverting money from other programs - that circumvented the need for Congressional approval. If you read through the 58, you'll see that the vast majority are like that - exercises of existing powers. If anything he's guilty of trivializing executive orders, but then again he didn't start that trend.

(I don't claim there's noble intent here. If the wall never gets built, he can blame Congress for not funding it. But the executive order is not a power grab.)
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(01-12-2018 06:35 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:42 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 12:14 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  You haven’t been asking for me to refined fitness, you’ve been asking to define a test to judge fitness. Ive responded to the latter.

Since you’re now asking for the former: have mental cognition fit for the job (speak abover a 3rd grade level, be able to communicate effectively, be able to read, digest, and respond to briefing material), have a temperament that allows for one to receive criticism, speak carefully and intentionally, understand how government works and functions, don’t be racist, don’t mock people with disabilities, be abovr the fray and have class when interacting with others. And literally be healthy enough to carry out the duties with full cognition.

Like I said, too difficult and too many issues with a fitness test, so eligibility will have to do. I mean, technically the voters could literally elect a brain dead person, right? I think that being the case is better than the slippery slopes of having fitness tests. But that doesn’t mean I can’t Dayne trump isn’t fit to be president.

so, in your opinion, most fourth graders are fit to be president?

Only if they started school late or flunked a lot.

You have to be this tall to work in the Oval Office.

sounds to me like Lads list of what makes a person fit is a litany of all the things some people are told not to like about him.

FWIW, in third grade i was reading at a ninth grade level. I would have made a great President.

Was Hillary communicating effectively when she made her "deplorables" comment? Was she speaking carefully and intentionally? How about when she made he "vast right-wing conspiracy" statement? How about when she had things to say about Bill's accusers? Was it a good thing to say she would joint the Resistance?

We are really going to have to be careful who we nominate if these are the standards. I pick Condy Rice.

OO, what is your point?

I've stated a few times that I think a fitness test, even one that hinges on medical evaluations alone, would not practically be a good idea. That the judgement of fitness is a qualitative measure, akin to thinking the president is doing a "good" or "bad" job. Your question of what makes someone fit is the same as what makes someone a good president.

I am not the one making a big deal of his fitness. I think it is a very subjective thing, as evidenced by your suggested criteria. But those whining that he is unfit seem to think it is obvious whether one is fit or unfit, and Trump is obviously unfit.

If you have ever read Gulliver's Travels, this is reminiscent of the big end - little end debate. All the people on your island see it one way.

I certainly think there are dozens, even thousands, of people more 'fit" to be president. I am one, since I am the only person I know who agrees with me all the time. I don't even know how to to tweet, thus making me better.
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(01-12-2018 06:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 06:23 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Lad -- a *big* differentiator are looking at *what* the EOs do. Many of Trump's specifically rollback previous EOs, or, rollback rulemaking authority.

Many of Obama's EOs had the effect of 'creating' law (see for example the incessant number of exemptions in Obamacare), or 'creating action' contrary to existing law (see for example DAPA and DACA, DAPA which has been found explicitly unconstitutional and DACA which has the same underlying problems.)

To a massive extent Obama used EOs as 'personal whim' devices, and to a great extent Obama used them *even* when they seemingly contradicted existing law.

Under Obamacare, Obama performed numerous 'personal regal decisions, regardless of what the f-ck the law said. Examples include

The Obama administration decided not to enforce the law’s employer mandate until 2015, and then delayed its enforcement a second time. (nowhere in the law)

After millions of Americans complained that their insurance plans had been canceled—contrary to Obama’s promise that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”—Obama declined to enforce aspects of the law that required those plans to shut down—until he was reelected. (again nowhere in the law)

The Obama administration decided—unilaterally—to waive Obamacare’s individual mandate, by granting a “hardship exemption” to anyone for whom Obamacare’s offerings were “unaffordable.” (again, nowhere in the law)

The Affordable Care Act forced insurers to offer plans with reduced co-pays and deductibles for those with very low-incomes, but didn’t appropriate the cost-sharing subsidies needed to pay for them. Facing a rebellion from insurers, who were being forced to cover these individuals at a loss, the Obama administration decided to spend the money anyway, even though they had *no legal authority* to do so.

You cite Trump's EO on the travel ban, but you neglect to cite the relevant portion of the statute where the legislature explicitly *gives* the power to stop travel under the immigration laws to the President. The courts have stretched the crap out the rubric to find that Trump's use was an unconstitutional discrimination on religion and race..... but again, the SCOTUS overturned the restraining orders.

Sorry, your line just doesnt hold water when you actually: a) compare the extralegal activities that Obama put into action using EOs; and b) look at the *what* *many* of Trump's EOs are actual rollbacks of Obama's extra-legal playground romp.

So yes, Obama stretched the f-ck out of executive power. Trump is mainly using executive power to curtail what the supposed Con law professor did with executive power.

I think my line still holds water - I really don't see evidence of Trump wanting to intentionally curtail the power of the executive as much as erase Obama's actions or reduce government's influence in general. Again, it is just happenstance that reducing Obama's "legacy" or government's influence, somewhat coincides with rolling back Obama's use of the EOs.

As I said in another post, Session's at the DOJ might actually be basing his decisions off of a similar idea since they have said the DOJ will no longer operate off of the internal memos.

Still doesnt address Trump's EO rollback of DACA coupled with his support of legislative DACA.

Tweet from July 10, 2012
Quote:Why is @BarackObama constantly issuing executive orders that are major power grabs of authority? This is the latest

from December 2015
Quote:“I don't think he even tries anymore. I think he just signs executive actions,” Trump said at a campaign event in December 2015 before criticizing what he deemed Obama’s failure to adhere to the proper checks and balances. “That's the way the system is supposed to work. And then all of a sudden, I hear he tried, he can't do it, and then, boom, and then another one, boom.”

A quick Google search turned up more than a tiny handful of quotes from Trump relating to Obama's exercise of executive power.

But you want to believe Trump has no idea that his EO's are curtailing that extra-legal avenue. Your choice I guess.
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Obama, when he could not get what he wanted through Congress:

"I have a pen and a phone".
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(01-13-2018 12:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Obama, when he could not get what he wanted through Congress:

"I have a pen and a phone".

Point? I think it has been established multiple times in this thread that Obama expanded the power of the executive through his EOs.
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(01-13-2018 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 12:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Obama, when he could not get what he wanted through Congress:

"I have a pen and a phone".

Point? I think it has been established multiple times in this thread that Obama expanded the power of the executive through his EOs.

Just hammering the nail.
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(01-13-2018 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 12:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Obama, when he could not get what he wanted through Congress:

"I have a pen and a phone".

Point? I think it has been established multiple times in this thread that Obama expanded the power of the executive through his EOs.

Just hammering the nail. It is such a good quote.
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(01-12-2018 09:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 06:35 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:42 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  so, in your opinion, most fourth graders are fit to be president?

Only if they started school late or flunked a lot.

You have to be this tall to work in the Oval Office.

sounds to me like Lads list of what makes a person fit is a litany of all the things some people are told not to like about him.

FWIW, in third grade i was reading at a ninth grade level. I would have made a great President.

Was Hillary communicating effectively when she made her "deplorables" comment? Was she speaking carefully and intentionally? How about when she made he "vast right-wing conspiracy" statement? How about when she had things to say about Bill's accusers? Was it a good thing to say she would joint the Resistance?

We are really going to have to be careful who we nominate if these are the standards. I pick Condy Rice.

OO, what is your point?

I've stated a few times that I think a fitness test, even one that hinges on medical evaluations alone, would not practically be a good idea. That the judgement of fitness is a qualitative measure, akin to thinking the president is doing a "good" or "bad" job. Your question of what makes someone fit is the same as what makes someone a good president.

I am not the one making a big deal of his fitness. I think it is a very subjective thing, as evidenced by your suggested criteria. But those whining that he is unfit seem to think it is obvious whether one is fit or unfit, and Trump is obviously unfit.

If you have ever read Gulliver's Travels, this is reminiscent of the big end - little end debate. All the people on your island see it one way.

I certainly think there are dozens, even thousands, of people more 'fit" to be president. I am one, since I am the only person I know who agrees with me all the time. I don't even know how to to tweet, thus making me better.

During confirmation hearings, Strom Thurmond would conclude his questioning by asking witnesses if they thought the nominee had the wisdom, temperament, and experience to be effective in the position. That is a subjective judgement. But probably the best way it can be worded.

Sometimes it is more objective. As much as I admire him, FDR was not fit to serve a fourth term.

Doris Goodman wrote that a major factor in LBJ's decision not to seek re-election was an actuarial study which concluded he likely would not survive a second term (he had suffered a major heart attack in 1955.) A second full term would have ended on January 20, 1973. He died on January 22.

Some think Ronald Reagan was showing early signs of his Alzheimer's during his re-election campaign
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(01-14-2018 12:21 PM)JSA Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 09:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 06:35 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:42 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Only if they started school late or flunked a lot.

You have to be this tall to work in the Oval Office.

sounds to me like Lads list of what makes a person fit is a litany of all the things some people are told not to like about him.

FWIW, in third grade i was reading at a ninth grade level. I would have made a great President.

Was Hillary communicating effectively when she made her "deplorables" comment? Was she speaking carefully and intentionally? How about when she made he "vast right-wing conspiracy" statement? How about when she had things to say about Bill's accusers? Was it a good thing to say she would joint the Resistance?

We are really going to have to be careful who we nominate if these are the standards. I pick Condy Rice.

OO, what is your point?

I've stated a few times that I think a fitness test, even one that hinges on medical evaluations alone, would not practically be a good idea. That the judgement of fitness is a qualitative measure, akin to thinking the president is doing a "good" or "bad" job. Your question of what makes someone fit is the same as what makes someone a good president.

I am not the one making a big deal of his fitness. I think it is a very subjective thing, as evidenced by your suggested criteria. But those whining that he is unfit seem to think it is obvious whether one is fit or unfit, and Trump is obviously unfit.

If you have ever read Gulliver's Travels, this is reminiscent of the big end - little end debate. All the people on your island see it one way.

I certainly think there are dozens, even thousands, of people more 'fit" to be president. I am one, since I am the only person I know who agrees with me all the time. I don't even know how to to tweet, thus making me better.

During confirmation hearings, Strom Thurmond would conclude his questioning by asking witnesses if they thought the nominee had the wisdom, temperament, and experience to be effective in the position. That is a subjective judgement. But probably the best way it can be worded.

Sometimes it is more objective. As much as I admire him, FDR was not fit to serve a fourth term.

Doris Goodman wrote that a major factor in LBJ's decision not to seek re-election was an actuarial study which concluded he likely would not survive a second term (he had suffered a major heart attack in 1955.) A second full term would have ended on January 20, 1973. He died on January 22.

Some think Ronald Reagan was showing early signs of his Alzheimer's during his re-election campaign

I always love the use of the phrase "some think". Makes me wistful for the golden days of the TV show "Ancient Aliens".....

('Some think Noah's Ark was *really* an orbiting biology laboratory....')
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(01-14-2018 12:21 PM)JSA Wrote:  Doris Goodman wrote that a major factor in LBJ's decision not to seek re-election was an actuarial study which concluded he likely would not survive a second term (he had suffered a major heart attack in 1955.) A second full term would have ended on January 20, 1973. He died on January 22.

Don't mess with actuaries!
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"No, not everything is racist. But Donald Trump is."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018...mp-is.html

"I don’t like to accuse people of racism. That word is used far too often, unjustly, to smear good men and women. It has been thrown at House Speaker Paul Ryan, Sen. John McCain, former Gov. Mitt Romney, and other decent conservatives. It has been attributed to anyone who defends law enforcement or opposes a government program. When everyone on the right is a white nationalist or white supremacist, these terms lose their meaning."

"But Donald Trump is a racist. He meets what Ryan himself once called the “textbook definition” of racism. Trump singles out particular ethnic, racial, and religious groups for suspicion. He holds all members of these groups responsible for the misdeeds of other members. He casts aspersions on individuals based on creed and background. And he explicitly advocates discrimination. If these behaviors don’t define bigotry, nothing does. "

...

"A president who keeps saying bigoted things and pushing bigoted ideas, despite repeated warnings, is a bigot. A party that continues to excuse him is a bigoted party. And a country that accepts him is a bigoted country. Don’t be that party. Don’t be that country. "
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And now, JAAO, the progressives are learning that when the knee jerk reaction to anyone that doesn't agree with them in lockstep is to yell 'racist', 'sexist', 'homophobe', and every other mode to divide a people, then after forty fing years of it, when a real asshat comes around, the name slinging really doesnt have much of an impact.

In essence the article states that "Yeah, we have tossed that divisive moniker at everyone in creation on the opposite side for a long fing time. But now it is *really* the case." Sounds like me like the case of my four year old nephew insisting he 'really really really means it now' when faced with a pile of chocolate that he cant have because of his behavior issues.

Might be. The problem is that the progressives have rung that bell far too many times for me to really fing care (or, to really take their 'but it's really the case now' seriously.) If even one per cent of the people share my view, I would suggest strongly that the progs and liberals change their "all about race all the time strategy". Dont know if they can, as it seems amazingly deepy rooted in the psyche at this point.

Cry me a river.
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Tanq, according to what JAAO just wrote, you are a bigot, and so am I, and so is every person who does not join in the hue and cry against Trump.

But as you said, this is old stuff. I have been called racist/bigot so many times, it is totally ineffectual. Maybe this is why millions of Americans thought "She is talking about ME" when Hillary did her "deplorables" speech that cost her the election.

I am sure this is about the DACA stuff. Or the "muslim" ban. I have a lot to say about both or either. But what's the use when all the left does is stereotype me as KKK member or nazi?

Leftist seeing someone who disagrees with him



And what is the connection here between presidential fitness and bigotry? We have had plenty of bigoted presidents. Lincoln suggested shipping the slaves back to Africa. Bigot.
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(01-26-2018 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And now, JAAO, the progressives are learning that when the knee jerk reaction to anyone that doesn't agree with them in lockstep is to yell 'racist', 'sexist', 'homophobe', and every other mode to divide a people, then after forty fing years of it, when a real asshat comes around, the name slinging really doesnt have much of an impact.

In essence the article states that "Yeah, we have tossed that divisive moniker at everyone in creation on the opposite side for a long fing time. But now it is *really* the case." Sounds like me like the case of my four year old nephew insisting he 'really really really means it now' when faced with a pile of chocolate that he cant have because of his behavior issues.

Might be. The problem is that the progressives have rung that bell far too many times for me to really fing care (or, to really take their 'but it's really the case now' seriously.) If even one per cent of the people share my view, I would suggest strongly that the progs and liberals change their "all about race all the time strategy". Dont know if they can, as it seems amazingly deepy rooted in the psyche at this point.

Cry me a river.

As you know, I can and have given many examples of *Republicans* calling out Trumps racism, including the previous nominee. But you and OO continue to completely ignore that.

What's more odd is you seem to sort of admit that Trump is a racist or bigot. But that you don't care if the POTUS and leader of the free world is a racist. Can you not see how from the perspective of a person of color or other discriminated against group how offensive that is? That your desire for perceived payback is more important than the effect having a racist as president. Essentially "It's unfair how Republicans are accused of racism. Also it's fine with me to have a racist president." Do you not see the conflict?
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(01-26-2018 12:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  And what is the connection here between presidential fitness and bigotry? We have had plenty of bigoted presidents. Lincoln suggested shipping the slaves back to Africa. Bigot.

Lincoln was a bigot by today's standards. But he isn't president today. Trump is.

You've done the same thing Tang did. Complain about accusations of racism against conservatives and then say "I don't give a @#$% that the president is racist."
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(01-29-2018 09:03 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  You've done the same thing Tang did. Complain about accusations of racism against conservatives and then say "I don't give a @#$% that the president is racist."

I have a different take. I absolutely care quite a bit if the president is racist. But I don't think Trump is racist. And I'm sorry, but the allegations that he is racist seem to me to be hyperbolic projections based upon evidence that is really quite flimsy. He certainly does things that COULD be construed as racism in a vacuum. But he does other things that refute that. He is a businessman instead of a politician, and that influences how he approaches things and how he speaks. But other actions simply don't support the notion that he is a racist.
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(01-29-2018 09:03 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 12:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  And what is the connection here between presidential fitness and bigotry? We have had plenty of bigoted presidents. Lincoln suggested shipping the slaves back to Africa. Bigot.

Lincoln was a bigot by today's standards. But he isn't president today. Trump is.

You've done the same thing Tang did. Complain about accusations of racism against conservatives and then say "I don't give a @#$% that the president is racist."

I guess what I did is something different from Tanq, then, no matter what you think you saw.

Of course I complain about being called a racist. Wouldn't you? That's why every time a liberal accuses me of hating brown skinned people because I believe in controlling our borders, I let them have it about their own benevolent racism.

What I say is that Trump is not a racist, and the left is hypocritical.

"By today's standards". Why is Lincoln allowed to be judged by the standards of his time but not Lee or other Confederates? Or is there some movement to have the Lincoln Memorial razed that I don't know about. Lincoln called for blacks to be sent back to Africa. Trump has not.

If we are to judge some by the standards of their day, let us do it for all.
01-29-2018 09:33 AM
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(01-29-2018 09:03 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And now, JAAO, the progressives are learning that when the knee jerk reaction to anyone that doesn't agree with them in lockstep is to yell 'racist', 'sexist', 'homophobe', and every other mode to divide a people, then after forty fing years of it, when a real asshat comes around, the name slinging really doesnt have much of an impact.

In essence the article states that "Yeah, we have tossed that divisive moniker at everyone in creation on the opposite side for a long fing time. But now it is *really* the case." Sounds like me like the case of my four year old nephew insisting he 'really really really means it now' when faced with a pile of chocolate that he cant have because of his behavior issues.

Might be. The problem is that the progressives have rung that bell far too many times for me to really fing care (or, to really take their 'but it's really the case now' seriously.) If even one per cent of the people share my view, I would suggest strongly that the progs and liberals change their "all about race all the time strategy". Dont know if they can, as it seems amazingly deepy rooted in the psyche at this point.

Cry me a river.

As you know, I can and have given many examples of *Republicans* calling out Trumps racism, including the previous nominee. But you and OO continue to completely ignore that.

What's more odd is you seem to sort of admit that Trump is a racist or bigot. But that you don't care if the POTUS and leader of the free world is a racist. Can you not see how from the perspective of a person of color or other discriminated against group how offensive that is? That your desire for perceived payback is more important than the effect having a racist as president. Essentially "It's unfair how Republicans are accused of racism. Also it's fine with me to have a racist president." Do you not see the conflict?

Binary thinking of the sort that is paralyzing the political process.
01-29-2018 09:35 AM
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