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RE: Study of impact of schedule on CFB elite
(01-12-2018 03:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Alabama stacks the deck in their favor and the committee gave them a pass. Note: I was on record of favoring Alabama over my home town school Ohio State, because I thought they were better. But had the committee valued conference championships more and punished schools that did not play an OOC P5 road game, they would have been justified.

All I am saying is Alabama is taking advantage of a the SEC's minimal 9 P5 opponent rule and the committee's reluctance to punish them for it. Smart play by Saban, no reason to change it. But it does give them a huge advantage to get in.

My point is also valid on the P12. They basically sent Washington, Stanford, and USC into double traps, and each got snared. Had one of them survived, especially Washington, they might have gotten a bid. That was a self inflicted wound. The SEC by comparison let's schools take a bye or an FCS opponent the week before their rivalry game. Again smart, but not an even playing field with the other conferences.

The committee broke the seal on the no CCG with tOSU last year. And SEC East teams, save UT, do play 9 P5 games with the OOC games versus the ACC.
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(01-12-2018 06:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 03:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Alabama stacks the deck in their favor and the committee gave them a pass. Note: I was on record of favoring Alabama over my home town school Ohio State, because I thought they were better. But had the committee valued conference championships more and punished schools that did not play an OOC P5 road game, they would have been justified.

All I am saying is Alabama is taking advantage of a the SEC's minimal 9 P5 opponent rule and the committee's reluctance to punish them for it. Smart play by Saban, no reason to change it. But it does give them a huge advantage to get in.

My point is also valid on the P12. They basically sent Washington, Stanford, and USC into double traps, and each got snared. Had one of them survived, especially Washington, they might have gotten a bid. That was a self inflicted wound. The SEC by comparison let's schools take a bye or an FCS opponent the week before their rivalry game. Again smart, but not an even playing field with the other conferences.

The committee broke the seal on the no CCG with tOSU last year. And SEC East teams, save UT, do play 9 P5 games with the OOC games versus the ACC.

So did Auburn (Clemson), Alabama (Florida State), Arkansas (TCU) Texas A&M (UCLA), L.S.U. (B.Y.U.* and Syracuse), Ole Miss (California), and Mississippi State (B.Y.U.*)

* The SEC considers B.Y.U. to be a P5 quality opponent.

This is whiny looser stuff. It happens ever year. Long gone are the days when you congratulate the winner and secretly make preparations to beat his butt next year. These days the losses have to be excused, the winners have to be explained away, and every body deserves a trophy. And for those who complain about late season G5 or less games, 3 patsies is three patsies whether you play them at the start of the season or sprinkle them throughout.
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RE: Study of impact of schedule on CFB elite
actually Tennessee did play Georgia Tech.... Pretty much EVERYONE played 9 P5 games in the SEC.
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...but 9 is no longer the standard. Big Ten, Pac-12 and Big XII pretty much all play 10 P5 games, as do about half of the ACC.
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(01-12-2018 04:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is typical. Many of us call on the SEC to step it up, either go to 9 conference games or require a 10th P5 opponent. This will force a road game every couple years on even Alabama.

So because the Big Slow was stupid enough to add a conference game to the schedule everyone else should too? Was adding a 9th conference game required by the NCAA or did the Big Slow add it on their own?


Is the NCAA preventing the Big Slow from doing scheduling that benefits their programs or is it the Big Slow doing it to themselves?


Why should any conference do something that doesn't benefit it's member schools simply because another conference was stupid enough to do it first?
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(01-12-2018 09:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...but 9 is no longer the standard. Big Ten, Pac-12 and Big XII pretty much all play 10 P5 games, as do about half of the ACC.

And there's a good reason for that Hokie Mark. The SEC hasn't had to monetize that 10th game yet. When our tier 1 rights are up in 2024 with CBS expect to see the SEC start to bargain over that game.

Nobody gives up a bargaining chip until they get paid to do so. That's not a cheap defense, it is simply the truth in business terms. We give into that 10th P game when we are paid to do so. You don't get to be the wealthiest conference in athletics by giving stuff away!
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(01-12-2018 11:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is typical. Many of us call on the SEC to step it up, either go to 9 conference games or require a 10th P5 opponent. This will force a road game every couple years on even Alabama.

So because the Big Slow was stupid enough to add a conference game to the schedule everyone else should too? Was adding a 9th conference game required by the NCAA or did the Big Slow add it on their own?


Is the NCAA preventing the Big Slow from doing scheduling that benefits their programs or is it the Big Slow doing it to themselves?


Why should any conference do something that doesn't benefit it's member schools simply because another conference was stupid enough to do it first?

They added it to get the bump up in pay from FOX who was sucking hind teat on content! I'm sure ESPN chunked some extra change in the hat as well.
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(01-12-2018 11:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is typical. Many of us call on the SEC to step it up, either go to 9 conference games or require a 10th P5 opponent. This will force a road game every couple years on even Alabama.

So because the Big Slow was stupid enough to add a conference game to the schedule everyone else should too? Was adding a 9th conference game required by the NCAA or did the Big Slow add it on their own?


Is the NCAA preventing the Big Slow from doing scheduling that benefits their programs or is it the Big Slow doing it to themselves?


Why should any conference do something that doesn't benefit it's member schools simply because another conference was stupid enough to do it first?

They added it to get the bump up in pay from FOX who was sucking hind teat on content! I'm sure ESPN chunked some extra change in the hat as well.

So perhaps they should direct their complaints towards their media partners.
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Some people are missing the point about 8 conference games vs. 9, especially in the SEC. The main beneficiary isn't Alabama, though they do benefit (especially as long as Tennessee remains mediocre) from playing Georgia or Florida once every 6 years instead of once every 3 years. The big winners are the lower-tier SEC programs that are just hoping to be bowl-eligible.

Look at Missouri, for example. They play 6 SEC East teams plus Arkansas every year, and only have to play one of the other 6 SEC West teams. That means they only have to play Bama or Auburn or LSU once every six years, whereas if they had 9 conference games they'd have to play each of those teams once every 3 years -- i.e., every year they'd probably have one of the 3 on their schedule or else get unlucky one year and have two of them on the schedule. Missouri's path to 6 wins is much easier when they get a 4th non-con game instead of another game against an SEC West heavyweight.

It wouldn't be a burden on the Tide to have played Missouri instead of, say, Fresno State in 2017; in fact Bama's schedule would have been easier if they had played Mizzou instead. But playing Bama instead of UConn or Idaho would have dropped Mizzou from 7-5 to 6-6.

As far as the neutral-site games, it works for the Tide because of money. Because they can sell tickets in Atlanta and because ESPN pays for those games, the promoters of the games can pay millions to each participating school, so much that most teams make more from playing Alabama in Atlanta than they would by hosting the Tide.

The other monetary reason it works is that Bama's season-ticket base is sufficiently fanatical that they don't get up in arms about never getting a marquee non-con home game or about paying for 2 G5 games plus an FCS game every year. Other programs, even top programs, would get blowback from their boosters for the lack of more appealing home games, but when your ticket buyers are that forgiving, you have a lot of latitude.

And money is always going to drive these things. Always. The day that money is less of a factor in college football is the day that football coaches are riding unicorns over the rainbow.
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(01-12-2018 03:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Can't punish the SEC for being smart about scheduling with byes etc. It's just dumb to say that. Not a damn thing is stopping the Pac 12 or any other conference from scheduling like the SEC.

I don't mind your pro-SEC ranting, Stever. To each his own.

But you're advocating something that gives us WORSE college football. OSU over PSU in 2016...and Bama over OSU in 2017 is water under the bridge. I did this research to show the importance of scheduling in the sport. This is bigger than just a "my conference versus your conference" or "Bama versus OSU"; this is about making the sport's playoff better. And if the committee would consider home/away games differently...that would make it better overall.

(Big Ten commish Delany knocked his own stool out from under himself and the league last year when he advocated OSU (non-champ) over PSU (champ). It came back to bite him (with GREAT poetic justice) just one year later when Bama (non-champ) had the precedent to be chosen over OSU (champ). The PSU fan in me LOVES the irony and the suffering in Columbus...but the fan of CFB doesn't like it at all.)
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(01-13-2018 02:02 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is typical. Many of us call on the SEC to step it up, either go to 9 conference games or require a 10th P5 opponent. This will force a road game every couple years on even Alabama.

So because the Big Slow was stupid enough to add a conference game to the schedule everyone else should too? Was adding a 9th conference game required by the NCAA or did the Big Slow add it on their own?


Is the NCAA preventing the Big Slow from doing scheduling that benefits their programs or is it the Big Slow doing it to themselves?


Why should any conference do something that doesn't benefit it's member schools simply because another conference was stupid enough to do it first?

They added it to get the bump up in pay from FOX who was sucking hind teat on content! I'm sure ESPN chunked some extra change in the hat as well.

So perhaps they should direct their complaints towards their media partners.

I know the impact of money. No debate there. Maybe the SEC will pony up in 2023 or something to get more SEC games for the ESPN/CBS deals. Or maybe they'll enjoy the easy road to the playoffs.

The CFP standards for selection...
--conference championships
--strength of schedule
--head-to-head
--opponents' results

They are ignoring those though. Instead, they rely on the "eye ball" test (which is merely a survey of past recruiting rankings and NFL draft lists) and the almighty "0 or 1" in the loss column.

The Big Ten and Pac-12 heard the CFP's supposed standards and stepped up (and yes, they made more money too). But the CFP committee gave Bama a pass this year. (And they cashed it in BIG TIME! Kudos for them! Jeers for the CFP!)
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South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida played ten P5 this past year
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(01-13-2018 08:01 AM)micahandme Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 02:02 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is typical. Many of us call on the SEC to step it up, either go to 9 conference games or require a 10th P5 opponent. This will force a road game every couple years on even Alabama.

So because the Big Slow was stupid enough to add a conference game to the schedule everyone else should too? Was adding a 9th conference game required by the NCAA or did the Big Slow add it on their own?


Is the NCAA preventing the Big Slow from doing scheduling that benefits their programs or is it the Big Slow doing it to themselves?


Why should any conference do something that doesn't benefit it's member schools simply because another conference was stupid enough to do it first?

They added it to get the bump up in pay from FOX who was sucking hind teat on content! I'm sure ESPN chunked some extra change in the hat as well.

So perhaps they should direct their complaints towards their media partners.

I know the impact of money. No debate there. Maybe the SEC will pony up in 2023 or something to get more SEC games for the ESPN/CBS deals. Or maybe they'll enjoy the easy road to the playoffs.

The CFP standards for selection...
--conference championships
--strength of schedule
--head-to-head
--opponents' results

They are ignoring those though. Instead, they rely on the "eye ball" test (which is merely a survey of past recruiting rankings and NFL draft lists) and the almighty "0 or 1" in the loss column.

The Big Ten and Pac-12 heard the CFP's supposed standards and stepped up (and yes, they made more money too). But the CFP committee gave Bama a pass this year. (And they cashed it in BIG TIME! Kudos for them! Jeers for the CFP!)

those aren't the standards. Those are in play when teams are close. That's the thing that folks like you want to completely overlook. By giving up 55 to Iowa, things weren't close.
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