(08-25-2018 03:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 01:23 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 03:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see the SBC fans do not see the picture. You all lost FAU, FIU, North Texas the last go around. You could lose Arkansas State, Texas State, South Alabama and Georgia State in the next round. That leaves 6 schools. You need to add a couple more to make it 8 in case you get raided again. Benson is the death of the SBC just as he was with the WAC for football. You need to be proactive, not reactive. Doing nothing now will hurt the conference in the future.

This somehow might actually be the dumbest of your posts.

Nobody left the WAC BECAUSE of Benson. The MWC 8 left because they could do the math and understood they could make more per team in their own league than they could in the WAC and they could play each other every year.

TCU left because they could join a then superior CUSA.
Rice, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP because they could join a somewhat better CUSA that was a better geographic fit.
Boise left because the MWC was a better league.
Fresno, Hawaii, and Nevada because MWC was better, more compact and stable.
La Tech left to be in a more geographically appropriate CUSA.
etc. etc.

It had nothing to do with who was commissioner and everything to do with money and geography.

If the WAC presidents had added two schools instead of six in 1996 there probably is no MWC today.

Yes the Sun Belt lost some teams. The Massey composite for 2012 had North Texas 100, FIU 103, and FAU 110. Not like the league ended up being gutted and the league made a decision to end its relationships with Idaho and NMSU. It declined to extend invitations to Liberty and EKU who both presented to the league. It declined to extend a football only to UMass despite their inquiry.

Do you really think that Liberty or NMSU would say no if the league needed to add one or two to survive?

You post endless lists of move up schools and then turn around and think finding replacements would be difficult. Pick one. Which is it? Are there piles of schools clamoring to move up or are those schools rare.

As for UALR, hell did you bother to read the study that was done? They cannot afford it. The same thing I said before the study back when everyone said I was blowing smoke because I didn't want them to add football and be competition. The reality is my back of an envelope guesstimate of UALR's potential outlay to add football was more favorable to UALR football than their own study.

DavidSt, the man asked some valid questions. Are you going to answer or is your sole mission to pontificate and impress us with your knowledge of the landscape?

Why answer people who are blind to see logic? I see bigger pictures than he do. I search the Internet, and if the Little Rock business owners want Little Rock to have a college team? Then, they will help raise the money to get U. of Little Rock get a team.

Because you're conrtadictory and we'd like to know which side you're sticking with.

(08-15-2018 06:25 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  That is if CCU was not interested and geography not a factor.( somehow someone will get offended.)
CCU had to commit to a thirty two million dollar stadium expansion to 20600.

Montana, JMU, JSU , and PSU need no investment .
NDSU a small investment expanding their dome. They are really upgrading their facilities to a pretty high level.

Weber st
Montana St
Idaho
Are among the ones one decent size investment away.



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Its done.
Jacksonville State was only getting in an emergency.
UTC wasn't interested in spending the money.
JMU would rather be in the CAA/FCS.
PSU? Who is that. Portland?
EKU? Really on in an emergency.

Coastal got in, even with their high subsidy requirement, lack of facilities and low enrollment because they were close to the easterns schools, but not too close, they weren't within 25 miles of a P5, and they weren't private. Their baseball helped too.

Basically, the league wanted one (1) school in the East. The Belt went to JMU, who turned us down flat. UTC was contacted, and they didn't want to spend the money. Jax State was interested, but they didn't have the votes. Same with Liberty. So the App State people contacted Coastal, and found them to be interested. So was EKU. And CCU, for a variety of reasons, was the better fit in the eyes of the existing members. To say they got JMU's spot, its correct and incorrect. Yes CCU is in the Belt/FBS because JMU told us no, BUT....its CCU's spot, not JMU's now.

There WAS a chance for the Belt to shift west. But NMSU and Utah State decided they'd rather play in the WAC. Had they not gone to the WAC and it had died then, the Belt probably would have shifted West, Idaho and NMSU and Denver would probably still be in the league. Timing is everything. And I don't blame NMSU and Utah State for bolting back then. It was the right call for them at the time. It just didn't pan out. It was a disaster for NMSU and fatal for Idaho. Had the WAC collapsed in the early 2000s as a result of a MWC raid taking place earlier, here's your probable line up

SBC West

Idaho
NMSU
Texas State
ULM
ULL
Jump Ball (whoever wants it from EWU, Montana, MSU, NDSU, etc.). It could have even been, gulp La Tech.

SBC East

USA
Troy
Ark State
Ga Southern
Ga State
App

Basketball onlies (no divisions in Olympic sports)

UALR
Denver
UTA (possibly)
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Coastal would probably be still in FCS. But Coastal, correctly recognized that this was the one shot that they'd probably get at this, and decided to take the leap.

(08-25-2018 08:07 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 01:23 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 03:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see the SBC fans do not see the picture. You all lost FAU, FIU, North Texas the last go around. You could lose Arkansas State, Texas State, South Alabama and Georgia State in the next round. That leaves 6 schools. You need to add a couple more to make it 8 in case you get raided again. Benson is the death of the SBC just as he was with the WAC for football. You need to be proactive, not reactive. Doing nothing now will hurt the conference in the future.

This somehow might actually be the dumbest of your posts.

Nobody left the WAC BECAUSE of Benson. The MWC 8 left because they could do the math and understood they could make more per team in their own league than they could in the WAC and they could play each other every year.

TCU left because they could join a then superior CUSA.
Rice, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP because they could join a somewhat better CUSA that was a better geographic fit.
Boise left because the MWC was a better league.
Fresno, Hawaii, and Nevada because MWC was better, more compact and stable.
La Tech left to be in a more geographically appropriate CUSA.
etc. etc.

It had nothing to do with who was commissioner and everything to do with money and geography.

If the WAC presidents had added two schools instead of six in 1996 there probably is no MWC today.

Yes the Sun Belt lost some teams. The Massey composite for 2012 had North Texas 100, FIU 103, and FAU 110. Not like the league ended up being gutted and the league made a decision to end its relationships with Idaho and NMSU. It declined to extend invitations to Liberty and EKU who both presented to the league. It declined to extend a football only to UMass despite their inquiry.

Do you really think that Liberty or NMSU would say no if the league needed to add one or two to survive?

You post endless lists of move up schools and then turn around and think finding replacements would be difficult. Pick one. Which is it? Are there piles of schools clamoring to move up or are those schools rare.

As for UALR, hell did you bother to read the study that was done? They cannot afford it. The same thing I said before the study back when everyone said I was blowing smoke because I didn't want them to add football and be competition. The reality is my back of an envelope guesstimate of UALR's potential outlay to add football was more favorable to UALR football than their own study.

DavidSt, the man asked some valid questions. Are you going to answer or is your sole mission to pontificate and impress us with your knowledge of the landscape?

DavidSt is not obligated to answer for someone melting down over him. Instead, he took the higher road and moved on until prodded to acknowledge it. He’s a gentleman.

No melt down.

Just pointing out he alternately claims that the Sun Belt should expand to fill vacancies that do not exist because those vacancies might eventually exist and the Sun Belt at that future date could not fill them.

Yet he also posts endless lists of schools desiring to move up.

Those two things simply are incompatible and he knows it and didn't answer out of any "gentleman" reflex he didn't answer because he cannot explain the disconnect.

Likewise he beats the Arkansas-Little Rock drum yet the school's own study indicates they lack the resources. It makes no sense to write confidently about a school moving to FBS when said school has acknowledged they cannot fund such a move.

(08-25-2018 08:07 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 01:23 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 03:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see the SBC fans do not see the picture. You all lost FAU, FIU, North Texas the last go around. You could lose Arkansas State, Texas State, South Alabama and Georgia State in the next round. That leaves 6 schools. You need to add a couple more to make it 8 in case you get raided again. Benson is the death of the SBC just as he was with the WAC for football. You need to be proactive, not reactive. Doing nothing now will hurt the conference in the future.

This somehow might actually be the dumbest of your posts.

Nobody left the WAC BECAUSE of Benson. The MWC 8 left because they could do the math and understood they could make more per team in their own league than they could in the WAC and they could play each other every year.

TCU left because they could join a then superior CUSA.
Rice, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP because they could join a somewhat better CUSA that was a better geographic fit.
Boise left because the MWC was a better league.
Fresno, Hawaii, and Nevada because MWC was better, more compact and stable.
La Tech left to be in a more geographically appropriate CUSA.
etc. etc.

It had nothing to do with who was commissioner and everything to do with money and geography.

If the WAC presidents had added two schools instead of six in 1996 there probably is no MWC today.

Yes the Sun Belt lost some teams. The Massey composite for 2012 had North Texas 100, FIU 103, and FAU 110. Not like the league ended up being gutted and the league made a decision to end its relationships with Idaho and NMSU. It declined to extend invitations to Liberty and EKU who both presented to the league. It declined to extend a football only to UMass despite their inquiry.

Do you really think that Liberty or NMSU would say no if the league needed to add one or two to survive?

You post endless lists of move up schools and then turn around and think finding replacements would be difficult. Pick one. Which is it? Are there piles of schools clamoring to move up or are those schools rare.

As for UALR, hell did you bother to read the study that was done? They cannot afford it. The same thing I said before the study back when everyone said I was blowing smoke because I didn't want them to add football and be competition. The reality is my back of an envelope guesstimate of UALR's potential outlay to add football was more favorable to UALR football than their own study.

DavidSt, the man asked some valid questions. Are you going to answer or is your sole mission to pontificate and impress us with your knowledge of the landscape?

DavidSt is not obligated to answer for someone melting down over him. Instead, he took the higher road and moved on until prodded to acknowledge it. He’s a gentleman.

No. DavidSt has never answered a direct question that involves real credible documented FACTS.

DavidSt. doesn't answer questions. He's actually a Bot who is programmed to post random realignment drivel.