Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
Author Message
bluesox Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,593
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 56
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #81
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
Surprise the CAA doesn’t jump to 12 with say UNCG and X (northern school) to ease travel. Ditto the southern league going to 12 with Belmont, UNA and maybe UNCA to replace G
01-20-2018 10:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #82
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-20-2018 10:47 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Surprise the CAA doesn’t jump to 12 with say UNCG and X (northern school) to ease travel. Ditto the southern league going to 12 with Belmont, UNA and maybe UNCA to replace G

They should. I wonder why they do not
01-20-2018 08:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #83
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-20-2018 10:29 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 06:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 11:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't see more northeastern schools getting into the A10. Siena and Hofstra have been trying for ages...if it happens for them, it's because the conference is virtually gutted of anything relevant.

It would be interesting what Davidson would lobby for. CoC maybe. I personally don't understand the appeal for basketball prestige (they were good in ASun, and it's like we've been waiting for them ever since to really emerge in SoCon and CAA) over UNCW, but CoC pushes the border south and into a good coastal city.

Siena is actually perceived by many in the league as the number 1 target if there's an opening. I don't get it either. But there are some connected people on the A-10 board that seem to be very confident of that fact. Every team in the CAA would take a A-10 bid if offered. Every team in the America East would do the same. Just like every team in the A-10 would take a bid to the Big East.

Regarding Siena. They have the advantage of being close, but not too close, to many of our existing teams. St Bona really wants them. Fordham does too. So does UMass and URI. I don't think the southern teams really want an Albany based team in the league, but it might help with travel.

UNCW? Possible. But I'd guess that they'd be around 8th or 9th on the list. Ahead of JMU though. If Davidson left, then they'd be higher. Either way, the A-10 has 14 teams, and doesn't really need any more teams. College of Charleston? Probably around 8th or 9th.

BTW, UNCW and Charleston are probably better programs than some teams in the A-10. But that's not how things work.

I highly doubt you will get another northern team in the unless it is to replace a departing northern team like UMass. If St Louis were to leave there would likely be a push from the southern schools to replace with another school south of DC. There is a strong southern block of schools who must be taken into consideration. Sienna for St Louis' spot doesn't make any sense for southern schools

There are three members south of the DMV. There is no strong southern block of schools in the A10.

As I posted previously the other schools vetted when Davidson was added are all members of the MAAC. That information comes from a relative who is a former La Salle BoT member. When Temple, Xavier and Butler departed the A10 presidents decided to shift their focus going forward to have as geographically compact a conference as possible. They want a bus league.

That said student recruitment is a factor in the A10’s evaluation process. Davidson was valued not just for their basketball prowess but also for being in the Charlotte metro. The presidents wanted to maintain a presence in that area because unlike the states in the Northeast it has a growing school age population. For that reason I think that CoC would get serious consideration if a school has to be replaced and Davidson did lobby hard for CoC to be added along with them. Nevertheless, Siena and Iona were the top choices if Davidson didn’t join the A10 and I don’t think anything has changed since then.

I count Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson as schools that would favor expansion southward. Assuming it takes 67% to expand the southern schools would only need to win over GW to block expansion if their wishes were not taken into consideration. That's why I think the next school on deck would be a Charleston. My WISH is a package deal with Charleston and UNCW if 2 schools leave to create 7 DC and below and 7 above DC A10
01-20-2018 09:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fighting Muskie Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,160
Joined: Sep 2016
Reputation: 37
I Root For: Ohio St, MAC
Location:
Post: #84
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
With the amount of at large bids for mid majors shrinking it would probably be in the A-10's best interest to hold at 12 if they ever lost Dayton and St Louis.

Regarding CAA, I'm curious if Hofstra and Northeastern would have ever been added to the league if they had dropped football before joining. My guess is they look elsewhere to gain a northeastern presence--Stony Brook for sure. Maybe Albany or New Hampshire for the other add.
01-20-2018 09:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #85
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-20-2018 09:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  With the amount of at large bids for mid majors shrinking it would probably be in the A-10's best interest to hold at 12 if they ever lost Dayton and St Louis.

Regarding CAA, I'm curious if Hofstra and Northeastern would have ever been added to the league if they had dropped football before joining. My guess is they look elsewhere to gain a northeastern presence--Stony Brook for sure. Maybe Albany or New Hampshire for the other add.

I agree the A10 might never expand as they really have no need to be at 14. 12 would be fine for them particularly if St Louis and Dayton left.

Hofstra was part of the original package after the AEast CAA merger was voted down by the AEast.

Northeastern was added to get the 6th football school. Period.

So NE a definite no with out football. Hofstra a maybe. If they didn't have football it may have been Stony Brook Towson Delaware and Drexel added. But the CAA was desperate at that point so who knows for sure

Edit: I didn't realize how new to D1 Stony Brook and Albany were. I highly doubt they would have been considered back then for CAA membership. Realistically the only other option besides NE to get CAA football started, outside of ODU starting a program, was to invite New Hampshire or Maine instead. Out of those 3, it is easy to understand why NE was choice for #6
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2018 12:20 AM by solohawks.)
01-20-2018 09:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #86
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-16-2018 09:40 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I realize that the point of this board is to perpetuate bonkers theories, but just to refute and clarify re: the AE and CAA.

1.) The name of the conference is "America East." Calling it "American East" is a pretty good sign you don't know what you are talking about.

2.) UVM or Hartford aren't these rogue holdouts who don't want AE to sponsor football because they don't sponsor the sport. Frankly, I bet they either don't care, or would love their basketball rivals to lose more money on football so they have an easier go in basketball. You know who are at the top of the list for not wanting a New England/New York based AE football conference? Maine, New Hampshire, Stony Brook and Albany. They love being in a conference with Delaware, Villanova, Richmond, JMU, etc. The CAA is one of the top two FCS football leagues. AE football wouldn't be. Maine, in particular, recruits New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Virginia more than Massachusetts and the other New England states. They are in the football conference they want to be in.

3.) BU didn't kill AE football. Neither did Northeastern. You know what killed AE football? Delaware, Hofstra, Towson and Drexel leaving the league for the CAA. If they had stayed, the conference makeup for football would likely be identical but the banner would be "America East" not "CAA." When they left, the numbers shifted, and when the A-10 no longer had the most members, the CAA did. Either way, all schools are full members of the football conference. No affiliates.

4.) BU DID kill AE hockey. Word was that BC and Providence were okay with Hockey East becoming some version of America East, but BU had it's foot out the door already (or had dreams of leaving) and didn't want to sacrifice any of its power in the hockey league office.

5.) BU isn't keeping NU out of the Patriot- NU's academics and not so distant past as a commuter school are. BU is barely within the parameters of what the Patriot wants its members to be (if you squint) as the only large city school in the conference (BU is twice the size of American), Northeastern is BU with inferior academics. NU left the AE for the CAA when the CAA still had ODU, VCU and GMU and thought it was moving to a top flight basketball league. Obviously, that didn't shake out. They are still strivers though, and they aren't going to park their sports in the Patriot League that doesn't aspire to much athletically. BU left AE because they finally realized they weren't getting into the A-10. They wanted their sports to raise the school's profile, and when they realized that wasn't happening, they decided to leverage their decent athletics for an association with better educational institutions.

6.) Long story short, these are all one bid conferences in basketball and most other sports besides football, men's soccer, and ice hockey. Why the heck would they merge and make it harder for their members to get automatic bids? There's no huge check waiting for anyone if they combine and provide games for someone to air. The AE is a geographically compact group of northeast publics. You have the flagships of three small states (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont). You have the "second" state school of Massachusetts and Maryland. You have the three non-Buffalo D-I SUNYs. And there's Hartford who are a bit of an academic outlier but are a good league citizen. Maybe CCSU fits better, but they have nowhere to put football if they leave the NEC, so whatever.

Maybe Stony Brook or Albany gets a wandering eye thinking they could be FBS (not happening unless they get big donors, the state legislature isn't letting the money flow, and Binghamton's basketball scandal encouraged all three SUNYs to adopt a "stay in your lane" mentality with their athletics), but CAA doesn't get them much. Instead of beating each other and Vermont they would have to beat each other, UNCW and about six more schools to win the basketball league, and take a lot more flights to do it.

I would argue point 2.

After Richmond left, the remaining CAA 6 looked to the AEast for a new home. If that would have happened, the AEast could have taken over A10 football with Maine, UNH, Northeastern, Hofstra, Delaware, Towson, JMU, and William and Mary. Nova probably would have gone with Delaware and Richmond would have pushed to stay with the VA schools despite being an A10 member. The A10 didn't care about football anyways so I don't see them (UMass and URI) putting up much of a fight. The AEast was unable to absorb the CAA schools because the merger did not have the required 8 votes. Looking at the school makeup it is easy to see BU leading the way, with Vermont and Hartford, blocking the deal and thus keeping football out of the AEast. This caused the immediate departure of 3 football schools followed by the eventual departure of the 4th. UNH and Maine in particular got really jipped with the AEast not taking the CAA schools and not adding football.
01-22-2018 12:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #87
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.
01-22-2018 01:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Cyniclone Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,181
Joined: Nov 2012
Reputation: 223
I Root For: ODU and VCU
Location:
Post: #88
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-22-2018 01:13 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.

I don't think VCU wants to trade Dayton, St. Louis, GW, UMass, URI and the Philly schools for another run at the CAA. They could have just stayed in the CAA as it was instead of moving; with VCU and Mason remaining, the CAA would have stood a better chance at getting Davidson.

Now if Dayton and St. Louis went to the Big East, UMass to the AAC and Rhode Island to the state of mediocrity that has defined it most seasons, then perhaps VCU might be amenable to a rejiggering of the conferences that lands them back in the CAA. But only if the Big East and AAC were closed to them permanently.
01-22-2018 01:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Minutemen429 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 724
Joined: Feb 2011
Reputation: 31
I Root For: UMass
Location:
Post: #89
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-22-2018 01:13 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.

It looks like everybody who is currently in the A-10 would be in a worse basketball conference.
01-22-2018 03:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fighting Muskie Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,160
Joined: Sep 2016
Reputation: 37
I Root For: Ohio St, MAC
Location:
Post: #90
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
America East's dream scenario would be for JMU to move to FBS and disrupt the entire CAA balance. William and Mary goes to the Patriot as a full member along with Richmond football. Villanova maybe considers going along too. Towson and Delaware become potential America East targets and CAA football moves under the America East banner.
01-22-2018 07:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #91
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-22-2018 03:50 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 01:13 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.

It looks like everybody who is currently in the A-10 would be in a worse basketball conference.

The A10 4 plus UNCW and Charleston would be a very competitive league. Throw in a growing Towson, Elon, and William and Mary and that is an extremely competitive and geographic friendly league
(This post was last modified: 01-22-2018 09:44 PM by solohawks.)
01-22-2018 09:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
LostInSpace Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 633
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 18
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #92
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-20-2018 09:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I count Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson as schools that would favor expansion southward. Assuming it takes 67% to expand the southern schools would only need to win over GW to block expansion if their wishes were not taken into consideration. That's why I think the next school on deck would be a Charleston. My WISH is a package deal with Charleston and UNCW if 2 schools leave to create 7 DC and below and 7 above DC A10

Siena is closer to GMU than Charleston is. Iona is closer to Richmond/VCU than Charleston. Most importantly Charleston is far outside of the conference footprint for everyone else and Siena and Iona have had more success over they yeas than Charleston has. The block of schools wanting another southern member exists only in your imagination.

(01-22-2018 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 03:50 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 01:13 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.

It looks like everybody who is currently in the A-10 would be in a worse basketball conference.

The A10 4 plus UNCW and Charleston would be a very competitive league. Throw in a growing Towson, Elon, and William and Mary and that is an extremely competitive and geographic friendly league

This fantasy realignment isn’t happening. UR, VCU, GMU and Davidson are already in a conference together. They don’t need to change conferences. The current A10 members want nothing to do with Drexel, Hofstra or Northeastern. Why would they voluntarily trade three of the conference’s stronger programs for that dumpster fire trio? Delaware doesn’t want to be in the A10 either. UNCW isn’t going to magically get a reconfigured CAA with better basketball no matter how many implausible scenarios you concoct.
01-23-2018 09:24 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 20,987
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 438
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #93
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-23-2018 09:24 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 09:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I count Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson as schools that would favor expansion southward. Assuming it takes 67% to expand the southern schools would only need to win over GW to block expansion if their wishes were not taken into consideration. That's why I think the next school on deck would be a Charleston. My WISH is a package deal with Charleston and UNCW if 2 schools leave to create 7 DC and below and 7 above DC A10

Siena is closer to GMU than Charleston is. Iona is closer to Richmond/VCU than Charleston. Most importantly Charleston is far outside of the conference footprint for everyone else and Siena and Iona have had more success over they yeas than Charleston has. The block of schools wanting another southern member exists only in your imagination.

(01-22-2018 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 03:50 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 01:13 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.

It looks like everybody who is currently in the A-10 would be in a worse basketball conference.

The A10 4 plus UNCW and Charleston would be a very competitive league. Throw in a growing Towson, Elon, and William and Mary and that is an extremely competitive and geographic friendly league

This fantasy realignment isn’t happening. UR, VCU, GMU and Davidson are already in a conference together. They don’t need to change conferences. The current A10 members want nothing to do with Drexel, Hofstra or Northeastern. Why would they voluntarily trade three of the conference’s stronger programs for that dumpster fire trio? Delaware doesn’t want to be in the A10 either. UNCW isn’t going to magically get a reconfigured CAA with better basketball no matter how many implausible scenarios you concoct.

Here how I see the A-10's thinking

1) No team is going to leave the Atlantic 10 for CAA. There's no benefit and lots of drawbacks. Travel expenses in the Atlantic 10 are pretty much the same as in the CAA.

2) The Atlantic 10 is now full. There's no desire to add more teams. Of course, if Georgetown or St John's wanted to join, sure...but that ain't happening

3) In the event of Dayton and St Louis leaving, the conference might just do nothing.

4) If the conference did lose more than 2 teams, the league might expand, but that would depend on where the departures were located. Davidson is an unlikely poaching candidate. The A-10 already has a team in Richmond if VCU bails.

5) The league appears unamenable to expanding the footprint further. They were uninterested on UAB and Valparaiso and Wichita State.

6) In the event that the league gets raided again, the likely poached teams will not be likely to create an opening for a Southern team. The most likely opening would be in the MidAtlantic/Northeast region.

7) Any team offered a bid by the Atlantic 10 in that region from any conference not named the Big East or the AAC would accept that bid, immediately.

8) There are several schools that the Atlantic 10 would probably take if they lost, say 3 or 4 teams. Those teams might not have a better program than other teams, but the league has declined to pursue several good programs that the members felt were not a good fit. Wichita State, Valparaiso, and UAB have all surfaced as potential targets in the last couple of years. The league has shown that there's no appetite to expand the footprint at this time.

---

If anything, a raid on the A-10 might make UNCW's position worse, not better.
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2018 11:02 AM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
01-23-2018 10:54 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
solohawks Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,712
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 258
I Root For: UNCW
Location: Wilmington, NC
Post: #94
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
I agree with Tom that A10 expansion is unlikely in the future even if St Louis and/or Dayton leave
01-23-2018 10:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
templefootballfan Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,755
Joined: Jan 2005
Reputation: 62
I Root For: TU & BGSU & TEX
Location: CLAYMONT DE
Post: #95
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
14 always worked for A-10 concerning NCAA bids
A-10 wants thier conf tourn in Brooklyn
Siena & Stoney Brook would help now
AAC, BE & MVC are looking at A-10
01-23-2018 11:26 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ccd494 Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 4
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 3
I Root For: Maine
Location:
Post: #96
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-22-2018 07:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  America East's dream scenario would be for JMU to move to FBS and disrupt the entire CAA balance. William and Mary goes to the Patriot as a full member along with Richmond football. Villanova maybe considers going along too. Towson and Delaware become potential America East targets and CAA football moves under the America East banner.

Why is that better for America East? Why does a regional bus league need to add two more basketball schools that may take the automatic bid away from core AE schools? What do UNH and Maine gain by the football league saying "AMERICA EAST" instead of "CAA"? Maine and UNH are getting playoff bids and national rankings in the FCS by being in the CAA. Why disrupt that for a change in the logo on the uniform?

I would argue that individual schools in smaller basketball conferences should WANT the leagues to be as small as possible, to maximize opportunity to win things. No one is getting an at large bid, and no one is getting above a 13 (maybe 12 if they are like undefeated) seed in the conference with or without any CAA returnees.

And why would Richmond want to degrade its football team by joining the PL? They are a top ten FCS program. The Patriot League football conference is junk. If JMU leaves, why wouldn't the CAA ship just keep sailing along?
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2018 12:48 PM by ccd494.)
01-23-2018 12:46 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
sctvman Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 632
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 15
I Root For: C of Charleston
Location: Charleston, SC
Post: #97
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
I think Charleston is happy with the CAA. We’re in our 5th year in the league and we’ve been successful in multiple sports over this time. Baseball was a key reason why we were admitted. We were two wins from Omaha our first year in the league (and lost both games to Texas Tech by a run each). The year after that we beat Auburn on a walk-off in a regional game.

Volleyball got the first ever CAA at-large berth this year. We are still struggling in some of the Olympic sports where heavy travel is required on weekdays (like soccer and women’s basketball) but things are getting better. I think any move to a different league would be 3-5 years away, minimum.

As Charleston’s population keeps growing and more and more alums become a part of the school, our donation money will grow. Considering, until 1970, CofC was a school of about 500 students. It was owned by the city of Charleston. It didn’t become a state institution until then. So the school has basically been a public university for less than 50 years.

CofC was in the NAIA as recently as 1989. We have been in the TAAC, SoCon and now CAA in less than 30 years. We are still a relatively new program. A lot of the A-10 folks want CofC in their league for Charleston’s vacation destination status, but we would be one of the least established programs in a league with schools that have been D1 for 60-70 years.
01-24-2018 01:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fighting Muskie Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,160
Joined: Sep 2016
Reputation: 37
I Root For: Ohio St, MAC
Location:
Post: #98
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-22-2018 01:13 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the CAA schools and A10 schools wanted to work together for the betterment of everyone than the following could occur.

Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and NE join the A10

Richmond, VCU, GMU, and Davidson join the CAA

That would leave the A10 with:
UMass, NE, URI, Hofstra, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, La Salle, St Joe's, Drexel, Delaware, GW, Dayton, and St Louis

CAA would have:
Towson, GMU, Richmond, VCU, JMU, William and Mary, Davidson, Elon, UNCW, CoC

I think both leagues would benefit from that arrangement.

As long as the A-10 is able to be a 2-3 bid league no is going to voluntarily move to a lesser or even a peer league. While that southern league is nice it ignores the reality that the southern A-10 schools want to be associated with some of those northern ones and the northern ones have zero interest in the schools CAA would trade them.
01-24-2018 05:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Cyniclone Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,181
Joined: Nov 2012
Reputation: 223
I Root For: ODU and VCU
Location:
Post: #99
RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
If there was ever a time for an A-10/CAA reorientation, it would have been in the mid 2000s when it was becoming a regular contender for at-large bids. With ODU only in the most preliminary of discussions about football (much LESS FBS) and nobody as a flight risk, I think the CAA could have made a move to bring Richmond back and add Charlotte and GW from the A10 (along with Davidson from the SoCon).

Not to say it would have happened, but it were, it'd be then. Now the CAA is a disjointed mess torn between two poles.
01-24-2018 05:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2018 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2018 MyBB Group.