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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
The CAA needs to add Stony Brook to the North and say UNCG in the South.

This would solidify football with 6 all sports football members, allowing basketball to return to the forefront, and help geography by providing clear travel divisions.

Unfortunately Hofstra did not and possibly still will not allow Stony Brook, stemming from "turf issues" and likely public v private issues so we are at a standstill.

Northeastern and Hofstra both dropped their football programs after the CAA added them for football, which has certainly played a role in the football instability the American East schools were supposed to solve
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I tought Hofstra & NE would get killed in travell cost joining CAA
now that they droped FB, AE needs them back to surive
takes CAA out of New England
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
Boston screwed AmEast football, then bolted. Hofstra and Northeastern screw CAA by dropping football and then pulling this private school BS.

In some ways, AmEast got rid of a lot of its problems when BU left. Yet, with Hartford likely keeping CCSU out, and Vermont and Hartford resisting football, it's a real stalemate. Plus, AmEast football, while it might have the regional schools, really benefit from the PA to VA exposure. For AmEast to even consider football, it probably needs a Richmond, Villanova, and Towson. Those guys aren't going there. Monmouth wouldn't push the needle.

CAA needs to do a few things (let's start by retiring that stupid conference playoff ban on departing schools), but, it needs full members with football, and needs to stop picking up associate members. At this point, CAAF is made up of 7 affiliates and 5 full members. It should be flipped at 5/7, but that's all the non-fb private schools making it bad for Stony and Albany (and iirc, Albany turned down a full membership because of the Stony block?). Really, the trio of Drexel, Northeastern, and Hofstra should have a CTJ talk with the rest of the body. Play at MAAC or NEC-like levels...you probably belong there.

Northeastern's probably the worst of the group. They, like Boston, really wanted the Patriot League, but then scrapped football...only to see Boston scrap it and still getting an invite. Chances BU would help get Northeastern in as is? Zilch. Chances the rest of Patsy would put BU in its place if Northeastern had football, which is ripping Patriot up internally because it needs members?
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(01-12-2018 10:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Chances the rest of Patsy would put BU in its place if Northeastern had football, which is ripping Patriot up internally because it needs members?

I talked briefly to the Richmond president about CAA football, and he seemed to feel that JMU might make the move soon to FBS. If that happened, he felt UR would have to assess their options for which league they wanted to affiliate with. I mentioned that I hoped he was talking to W&M and Nova about it, and he smiled at me. I would not be shocked for UR and VU to be football affiliates in the PL, and for W&M to either be the same or a full member.
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Richmond and W&M should look toward the SoCon if CAA Football is left is need
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(01-12-2018 01:16 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Richmond and W&M should look toward the SoCon if CAA Football is left is need

Richmond more likely would petition the Patriot or join with the Northeast-facing CAA schools (presumably an American East football conference.) Of this year's freshman class, 41 percent come from the Mid-Atlantic and New England, while 34 percent come from the South, which is deceptive because the South includes Virginia. Take the home state out and I'd be willing to wager that the South's percentage takes a precipitous drop.
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It's no secret the Patriot League wants all three of those schools' football (and UNH's). It's no secret the answer will be a firm "no" until the Patriot does something about AI.

The fear in PL is handing over schollies to jocks and meat-heads when even their buddies over in the Ivy aren't so formal...because they don't offer athletic scholarships. Added bureaucracy to schools that are already very exclusive. It's really needless, but, when these schools have such low opinions about athletes and academic merit...it's a turn-off.
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-12-2018 10:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  CAA needs to do a few things (let's start by retiring that stupid conference playoff ban on departing schools), but, it needs full members with football, and needs to stop picking up associate members. At this point, CAAF is made up of 7 affiliates and 5 full members. It should be flipped at 5/7, but that's all the non-fb private schools making it bad for Stony and Albany (and iirc, Albany turned down a full membership because of the Stony block?). Really, the trio of Drexel, Northeastern, and Hofstra should have a CTJ talk with the rest of the body. Play at MAAC or NEC-like levels...you probably belong there.

CAAF is a separate, single-sport conference in which all members are full members, much like the MVFC. The Colonial name is on the door, but Maine and Rhode Island have membership status identical to JMU and Delaware.
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Here is what I would like to see
1. UNCW and Charleston join A10 taking St Louis and Dayton's spots who join the Big East

2. Northeastern taking UMass' spot in the A10 after they join an all sports FBS conference

This would give the A10
Northeastern, URI, Fordham, St Bony, Duquesne, LaSalle, and St Joe's in the North AND
GW, GMU, VCU, Richmond, Davidson, UNCW, and Charleston in the South.

3. The CAA adds Stony Brook, Albany, and Central Connecticut St for all sports giving them full control of the FCS conference giving them 8 for football and 10 for all sports
CCSU, Albany, Stony Brook, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, JMU, William and Mary, Elon
Football affiliates would be Richmond, Villanova, URI, Maine, UNH, and #14 Monmouth currently in Big South

4. The now 7 team American East either takes 1 from the now 9 NEC to get both leagues at a stable 8 or the American East upgrades another D2 school like they previously did with UMass Lowell
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Solo: that's a terrific idea!
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(01-14-2018 11:31 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Solo: that's a terrific idea!

I pull one out of my hat every now and then 04-cheers
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(01-12-2018 05:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  CAAF is a separate, single-sport conference in which all members are full members, much like the MVFC. The Colonial name is on the door, but Maine and Rhode Island have membership status identical to JMU and Delaware.

I say it because I'm not confident there always is a need for the independent group, and that maybe, someday, it might be best for CAA to have its own thing. It hasn't been easy for CAA to have its own football-fielding members to populate and remain in CAAF. And even though CAAF is a separate entity, it's enough of an incentive for others to want.
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(01-15-2018 05:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  CAAF is a separate, single-sport conference in which all members are full members, much like the MVFC. The Colonial name is on the door, but Maine and Rhode Island have membership status identical to JMU and Delaware.

I say it because I'm not confident there always is a need for the independent group, and that maybe, someday, it might be best for CAA to have its own thing. It hasn't been easy for CAA to have its own football-fielding members to populate and remain in CAAF. And even though CAAF is a separate entity, it's enough of an incentive for others to want.

There isn't. The A10 should focus on being the basketball version of the AAC. Adding UNCW and Charleston would shore up their southern wing and unite virtually all the quality basketball first/only schools south of DC

The CAA could then focus on being a solid FCS mid atlantic league while the American East can continue to focus on the Northeast, better aligning it's schools as non football schools as the only football schools remaining will be 2
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America East Football
Albany
Central Connecticut (Add as full member)
Maine
New Hampshire
Stony Brook
Fordham (Affiliate)
Monmouth (Affiliate)
Rhode Island (Affiliate)

CAA Football
Delaware
Elon
James Madison
Towson
William & Mary
Richmond (Affiliate)
Villanova (Affiliate)
Youngstown State (Affiliate)
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AmEast is more likely to get BobMo or Duquesne than Fordham. Fordham's got a good thing with the Patriot.

And I think Patriot's going to get something out of CAAF more than, or at least well before, AmEast finally sponsors football.
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(01-15-2018 07:21 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 05:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  CAAF is a separate, single-sport conference in which all members are full members, much like the MVFC. The Colonial name is on the door, but Maine and Rhode Island have membership status identical to JMU and Delaware.

I say it because I'm not confident there always is a need for the independent group, and that maybe, someday, it might be best for CAA to have its own thing. It hasn't been easy for CAA to have its own football-fielding members to populate and remain in CAAF. And even though CAAF is a separate entity, it's enough of an incentive for others to want.

There isn't. The A10 should focus on being the basketball version of the AAC. Adding UNCW and Charleston would shore up their southern wing and unite virtually all the quality basketball first/only schools south of DC

The CAA could then focus on being a solid FCS mid atlantic league while the American East can continue to focus on the Northeast, better aligning it's schools as non football schools as the only football schools remaining will be 2

Its possible, but unlikely that UNCW is really high on the A-10's radar at this point. Its possible, but unlikely. I think it depends on where any departures would come from. If they lose Dayton and St Louis, they might .... do nothing.

Hofstra, Manhattan, Siena, BU or Northeastern are probably higher on the list than UNCW.
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(01-15-2018 01:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:21 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 05:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  CAAF is a separate, single-sport conference in which all members are full members, much like the MVFC. The Colonial name is on the door, but Maine and Rhode Island have membership status identical to JMU and Delaware.

I say it because I'm not confident there always is a need for the independent group, and that maybe, someday, it might be best for CAA to have its own thing. It hasn't been easy for CAA to have its own football-fielding members to populate and remain in CAAF. And even though CAAF is a separate entity, it's enough of an incentive for others to want.

There isn't. The A10 should focus on being the basketball version of the AAC. Adding UNCW and Charleston would shore up their southern wing and unite virtually all the quality basketball first/only schools south of DC

The CAA could then focus on being a solid FCS mid atlantic league while the American East can continue to focus on the Northeast, better aligning it's schools as non football schools as the only football schools remaining will be 2

Its possible, but unlikely that UNCW is really high on the A-10's radar at this point. Its possible, but unlikely. I think it depends on where any departures would come from. If they lose Dayton and St Louis, they might .... do nothing.

Hofstra, Manhattan, Siena, BU or Northeastern are probably higher on the list than UNCW.
I agree, but it would make things a lot cleaner if UNCW and CoC were in A10 with other basketball schools from VA and NC
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I don't see more northeastern schools getting into the A10. Siena and Hofstra have been trying for ages...if it happens for them, it's because the conference is virtually gutted of anything relevant.

It would be interesting what Davidson would lobby for. CoC maybe. I personally don't understand the appeal for basketball prestige (they were good in ASun, and it's like we've been waiting for them ever since to really emerge in SoCon and CAA) over UNCW, but CoC pushes the border south and into a good coastal city.
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(01-15-2018 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't see more northeastern schools getting into the A10. Siena and Hofstra have been trying for ages...if it happens for them, it's because the conference is virtually gutted of anything relevant.

It would be interesting what Davidson would lobby for. CoC maybe. I personally don't understand the appeal for basketball prestige (they were good in ASun, and it's like we've been waiting for them ever since to really emerge in SoCon and CAA) over UNCW, but CoC pushes the border south and into a good coastal city.

I don't see Fordham wanting anymore NYC schools. Northeastern schools are extremely territorial
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Solohawks: is Northeastern territorial? 03-wink
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