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(01-11-2018 12:20 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I had thought they were in America East. Why is them in the same conference a non-starter?

BU is in the Patriot League.
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BU to America East wouldn't be considered an upgrade?
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(01-11-2018 02:11 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  BU to America East wouldn't be considered an upgrade?

Absolutely not. The schools that want to be in the Patriot are the schools that consider the Patriot their destination conference. Boston U wanted to be in the Patriot; they are absolutely not using the Patriot as a stepping stone to the AE. The A-10, perhaps, but that's an unlikely move no matter where they are.
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Dayton and St. Louis jump to the Big East.

Not sure what to do about UMass. Maybe the American Athletic Conference does take them in all sports sans-Football? If Boise State and San Diego State don't end up with the AAC, perhaps UMass gets consideration along with a 14th school for football.
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Could this formation of the CAA potentially break into FBS in the near future?
  • James Madison
  • Richmond
  • New Hampshire
  • Delaware
  • Towson
  • Stony Brook
  • William & Mary
  • Maine
  • Rhode Island
  • Elon
  • Villanova - football only
  • Wofford - football only

10 full members, 12 football members
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(01-11-2018 03:40 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Dayton and St. Louis jump to the Big East.

Not sure what to do about UMass. Maybe the American Athletic Conference does take them in all sports sans-Football? If Boise State and San Diego State don't end up with the AAC, perhaps UMass gets consideration along with a 14th school for football.

We'd be good with that. Preferrably we'd be football members too, but we could make indy work for quite a long time so long as we have kind of like an ND-ACC structure with the American. Schedule five games a year against AAC opponents and tie us into AAC bowl affiliations.

I think a lot of us Mass folks would like to see the rivalries with UCONN and Temple again. As I like to say, "it's been 40 years too long".
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I know it’s incredibly unlikely but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Eastern 8/A-10 (original members: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne) had decided to add football when it was formed in the late ‘70s and Syracuse, BC and Temple joined to be in a conference with Penn State and Pitt instead of Pitt and Villanova leaving the Eastern 8 for the Big East. Would PSU have left for the B1G? Does Maryland join? Do the football schools eventually break away? Does the Big East become a power basketball conference without Syracuse and Villanova being members? Do UMass and GW become the “powers” instead of UConn and Georgetown? A lot of things could have changed.

This would have been the hypothetical original line-up:
All Sports: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, BC, Temple (potentially add an 8th team, maybe Maryland but not likely that would have been possible at the time).
Basketball: Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne
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(01-11-2018 03:56 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Could this formation of the CAA potentially break into FBS in the near future?
  • James Madison
  • Richmond
  • New Hampshire
  • Delaware
  • Towson
  • Stony Brook
  • William & Mary
  • Maine
  • Rhode Island
  • Elon
  • Villanova - football only
  • Wofford - football only

10 full members, 12 football members

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(01-11-2018 04:43 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  I know it’s incredibly unlikely but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Eastern 8/A-10 (original members: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne) had decided to add football when it was formed in the late ‘70s and Syracuse, BC and Temple joined to be in a conference with Penn State and Pitt instead of Pitt and Villanova leaving the Eastern 8 for the Big East. Would PSU have left for the B1G? Does Maryland join? Do the football schools eventually break away? Does the Big East become a power basketball conference without Syracuse and Villanova being members? Do UMass and GW become the “powers” instead of UConn and Georgetown? A lot of things could have changed.

This would have been the hypothetical original line-up:
All Sports: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, BC, Temple (potentially add an 8th team, maybe Maryland but not likely that would have been possible at the time).
Basketball: Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne

Unlikely that we would have become a "power". The University of Massachusetts system was a total mess during the 70s, we removed flagship status from Amherst and fell asleep at the wheel in athletics (and academics). In '78 we made the choice to go from the College Division (already a poor choice we had outgrown in the prior two decades) to I-AA.

We should have gone I-A and been another voice in favor of Paterno's Eastern Conference. At that time we were already competing with I-A or University Division teams with wins against Boston College, Holy Cross, Rutgers, Harvard, and Dartmouth among others.
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(01-11-2018 03:56 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Could this formation of the CAA potentially break into FBS in the near future?
  • James Madison
  • Richmond
  • New Hampshire
  • Delaware
  • Towson
  • Stony Brook
  • William & Mary
  • Maine
  • Rhode Island
  • Elon
  • Villanova - football only
  • Wofford - football only

10 full members, 12 football members

The only schools on that list that could conceivably cut it in FBS are Stony Brook, Delaware, and JMU. Unless they are willing to pull a Liberty and go at it alone they'd all have a rough time even if they cobbled together an alliance with NMSU, Liberty, and UMass.
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(01-11-2018 05:00 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 04:43 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  I know it’s incredibly unlikely but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Eastern 8/A-10 (original members: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne) had decided to add football when it was formed in the late ‘70s and Syracuse, BC and Temple joined to be in a conference with Penn State and Pitt instead of Pitt and Villanova leaving the Eastern 8 for the Big East. Would PSU have left for the B1G? Does Maryland join? Do the football schools eventually break away? Does the Big East become a power basketball conference without Syracuse and Villanova being members? Do UMass and GW become the “powers” instead of UConn and Georgetown? A lot of things could have changed.

This would have been the hypothetical original line-up:
All Sports: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, BC, Temple (potentially add an 8th team, maybe Maryland but not likely that would have been possible at the time).
Basketball: Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne

Unlikely that we would have become a "power". The University of Massachusetts system was a total mess during the 70s, we removed flagship status from Amherst and fell asleep at the wheel in athletics (and academics). In '78 we made the choice to go from the College Division (already a poor choice we had outgrown in the prior two decades) to I-AA.

We should have gone I-A and been another voice in favor of Paterno's Eastern Conference. At that time we were already competing with I-A or University Division teams with wins against Boston College, Holy Cross, Rutgers, Harvard, and Dartmouth among others.

It would be interesting how football/conferences would have develop if UMass, and had New York designated flagships and went all in on a school.
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(01-11-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It would be interesting how football/conferences would have develop if UMass, and had New York designated flagships and went all in on a school.

Luckily we regained flagship status in 2003. Since then we've grown exponentially in terms of academic facilities, research, applications, and admissions selectivity. We do however still have a long way to go, the glaringly obvious problem being our endowment. Nine years after being designated we made the move to FBS. Obviously we're not where we'd like to be but it's a work in progress.
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(01-11-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The A-10, America East, and the CAA have zero problems with geography. Although, St Louis is a bit of an outlier, but the A-10 can afford it. Not a problem.

I gotta disagree with you there on the CAA. They need divisions badly. A one bid round robin league that spans from Charleston to Boston is not sustainable. Throw in the public/private divide and the football/non football divide and you have a mess. Even if the CAA doesn't officially split into divisions, they need to model after the A10 and get a northern block and a southern block so travel costs can be better contained
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(01-11-2018 09:33 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Is there a plausible way for those 3 to merge down into 2? Perhaps north and south? (North=NY state and New England)

WHY? 01-wingedeagle
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Wolf: was thinking to create north and south conferences.
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(01-11-2018 08:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Wolf: was thinking to create north and south conferences.

As much as I would love to see regional conferences, those days appear to be long gone. Then again, I have gotten to the age when I see future schedules like the ACC/ND have to realize I may not be here when the last year comes. 03-wink
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(01-11-2018 06:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The A-10, America East, and the CAA have zero problems with geography. Although, St Louis is a bit of an outlier, but the A-10 can afford it. Not a problem.

I gotta disagree with you there on the CAA. They need divisions badly. A one bid round robin league that spans from Charleston to Boston is not sustainable. Throw in the public/private divide and the football/non football divide and you have a mess. Even if the CAA doesn't officially split into divisions, they need to model after the A10 and get a northern block and a southern block so travel costs can be better contained

I think the CAA's problems are 1) football 2) public vs private 3) geography. In that order. The real problem is that for smaller conferences, you can either focus on football or basketball. Try to do both and it doesn't work.

The best thing that ever happened to the A-10 was when the CAA 'stole' the FCS league from the A-10.
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(01-11-2018 08:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 06:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The A-10, America East, and the CAA have zero problems with geography. Although, St Louis is a bit of an outlier, but the A-10 can afford it. Not a problem.

I gotta disagree with you there on the CAA. They need divisions badly. A one bid round robin league that spans from Charleston to Boston is not sustainable. Throw in the public/private divide and the football/non football divide and you have a mess. Even if the CAA doesn't officially split into divisions, they need to model after the A10 and get a northern block and a southern block so travel costs can be better contained

I think the CAA's problems are 1) football 2) public vs private 3) geography. In that order. The real problem is that for smaller conferences, you can either focus on football or basketball. Try to do both and it doesn't work.

The best thing that ever happened to the A-10 was when the CAA 'stole' the FCS league from the A-10.

That I agree with. It's unfortunate how it all happened.

After Richmond to the A10 nixed the SoCon CAA union, the CAA was desperate and thus convinced Delaware and co to join after the AEast votes down absorbing the CAA 5 from VA. This made getting football in the CAA name a priority. Ever since then, outside of Charleston, schools have been added for FCS football instead of basketball.
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Atlantic 10 & CAA both need northern schools.
if BE & American expand, it will expedite the need for northern schools
MAAC & Patriot still have room

with 3 state schools [UV, NH & Maine] & 3 NY schools [Birm, SB & Albany]
AE will get picked apart
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(01-11-2018 10:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Wonder if the America East and the CAA could be consolidated?

This is more the question IMO.
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