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(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

Your condition hasnt affected your ability to scope out republicans busted over sexual harassment charges and posting about them in real-time, or the universe of hollywood people noone has heard of who recently died. I'm sure there's a job we can find for you to do.
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(01-13-2018 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Kentucky is the first state to implement the 80 hour per month "comunity service" requirement. If you are between the ages of 19 & 64, you will be required to perform 80 hours of the following work in order to keep your care:

1. Work 80 hours per week
2. Volunteering
3. Going to school
4. Job training

80 hours per week? There's only 168 hours IN a week.

LOL, I know, it was a mispost. OMIGOSH, you misposted!

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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

David, you sound like that guy who went to the doctor and pointed at all the places where it hurt with his digit finger. The doctor hmmmed and haaaed and then said, "you have a broken finger".

So, I'm going to do the diagnoses myself, "you're taking too many pills," and you even admitted that they're screwing you up.

You do a good job on the computer, for the most part, so I would send you to work at a telemarketing job. Who knows, you might like it.
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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-13-2018 04:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Kentucky is the first state to implement the 80 hour per month "comunity service" requirement. If you are between the ages of 19 & 64, you will be required to perform 80 hours of the following work in order to keep your care:

1. Work 80 hours per week
2. Volunteering
3. Going to school
4. Job training

80 hours per week? There's only 168 hours IN a week.

LOL, I know, it was a mispost. OMIGOSH, you misposted!

Impeach!

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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

But it doesn't affect the many many many many years of sitting on the couch watching TV show after TV show? Honestly...you are like a walking TV guild when it comes to TV. That includes TV shows from 30 years ago.

I feel for you with the back pain....I'm up every 1.5 to 2 hours EVERY NIGHT from the pain. I have to get out of bed and walk for a couple minutes then I can get another 1.5 hour sleep. If the meds are not helping (they dont for me) then maybe you should not take them. BC Powders work better than Hydrocondone for me.

Maybe I'm not remembering it correctly but I believe you been trying to draw SSI for the last 20 something years.
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If you believe someone is getting disability who doesn't deserve it be a good citizen and report it.
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(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

The requirements would be for "able bodied" persons to have some skin in the game. I would leave it up to your physician to determine what that would be...if any. I have zero problem with even FULL public assistance to those that are medically, mentally or physically disabled. I do think however that a large percentage of "disabled" persons can productive in some manner. For instance...The wife of one of my co-workers is physically disabled due to a back issue. Despite this... She has no problem driving a car all over town to do whatever she needs to do. Im sure there is some volunteer organization or even a private transportation service that could use her driving skills.

BTW..David...Im sorry for your health issues. I hope they can be resolved so you can be return to a productive state.
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(01-14-2018 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

The requirements would be for "able bodied" persons to have some skin in the game. I would leave it up to your physician to determine what that would be...if any. I have zero problem with even FULL public assistance to those that are medically, mentally or physically disabled. I do think however that a large percentage of "disabled" persons can productive in some manner. For instance...The wife of one of my co-workers is physically disabled due to a back issue. Despite this... She has no problem driving a car all over town to do whatever she needs to do. Im sure there is some volunteer organization or even a private transportation service that could use her driving skills.

BTW..David...Im sorry for your health issues. I hope they can be resolved so you can be return to a productive state.

One thing the general public doesn't understand about federal disability is it takes a different view from private disability insurance and from workers comp or VA disability.

With private disability insurance all that matters is you cannot perform the job you were insured for. So if you say commercial airline pilot for FedEx and cannot pass the FAA physical for a commercial license you are disabled. With the federal disability program you could fail an FAA physical and still be capable of hundreds if not thousands of jobs and so wouldn't be disabled.

With worker's comp or VA you can be partially disabled. You can be 30% disabled or 60% disabled and get benefits (or a settlement) in line with that. Lose a leg and you get paid. With Federal disability it is all about capacity to do full time work. If you have say lupus and you are capable of working 46 weeks a year but you end up spending three weeks in a hospital and three weeks recovering at home, you can't meet the definition of working full time so disabled, but by the same token if you lose a leg or an arm, depending on your age and education you probably are not disabled and get zero.

The federal return to work rules are brutal. Let's say you've been making about $50,000 a year and at age 51 you have a significant health issue. You will get a benefit of about $30,000 and in 13 to 24 months you go on Medicare (part A free, B you pay premium out of your benefit).

After surgery and physical therapy you find someone who will hire you to work 10 hours per week at your old rate of pay so you can make $12,500. When you first start out you report your earnings and your benefits and they start adjusting your benefit, they reduce it but it isn't a dollar for dollar offset so you come out ahead.

They try a new drug. Then you get even better and can now work 16 hours a week and can make $20,000 a week and you are a good citizen so you do that, plus you like working.

Nine months later you get a letter informing you that you are now ineligible for disability and you are losing your Medicare as well.

By being a good citizen and person who enjoys your work you now make $30,000 less than when you worked full time AND you make $10,000 less than when you are on disability and you've lost the insurance that helped you pay for the medication that permitted you to be able to work 16 hours a week.

People are capitalists at heart, they want the greatest return. While it is great when people go back to work part-time and reduce how much they are drawing in benefits, the reality is that the system is designed to beat you up.

If you are applying and your doctors say you can only work 16 hours a week and there is evidence that the doctor isn't just saying that (ie. records of tests, exams, medication) you are disabled but if you work 16 hours a week at your pay scale, you end up worse off so the smarter person takes the check and calls it a career.
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(01-14-2018 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

The requirements would be for "able bodied" persons to have some skin in the game. I would leave it up to your physician to determine what that would be...if any. I have zero problem with even FULL public assistance to those that are medically, mentally or physically disabled. I do think however that a large percentage of "disabled" persons can productive in some manner. For instance...The wife of one of my co-workers is physically disabled due to a back issue. Despite this... She has no problem driving a car all over town to do whatever she needs to do. Im sure there is some volunteer organization or even a private transportation service that could use her driving skills.

BTW..David...Im sorry for your health issues. I hope they can be resolved so you can be return to a productive state.

One thing the general public doesn't understand about federal disability is it takes a different view from private disability insurance and from workers comp or VA disability.

With private disability insurance all that matters is you cannot perform the job you were insured for. So if you are say commercial airline pilot for FedEx and cannot pass the FAA physical for a commercial license you are disabled. With the federal disability program you could fail an FAA physical and still be capable of hundreds if not thousands of jobs and so wouldn't be disabled.

With worker's comp or VA you can be partially disabled. You can be 30% disabled or 60% disabled and get benefits (or a settlement) in line with that. Lose a leg and you get paid. With Federal disability it is all about capacity to do full time work. If you have say lupus and you are capable of working 46 weeks a year but you end up spending three weeks in a hospital and three weeks recovering at home, you can't meet the definition of working full time so disabled, but by the same token if you lose a leg or an arm, depending on your age and education you probably are not disabled and get zero.

The federal return to work rules are brutal. Let's say you've been making about $50,000 a year and at age 51 you have a significant health issue. You will get a benefit of about $30,000 and in 13 to 24 months you go on Medicare (part A free, B you pay premium out of your benefit).

After surgery and physical therapy, you find someone who will hire you to work 10 hours per week at your old rate of pay so you can make $12,500. When you first start out you report your earnings and your benefits and they start adjusting your benefit, they reduce it but it isn't a dollar for dollar offset so you come out ahead.

They try a new drug. Then you get even better and can now work 16 hours a week and can make $20,000 a year and you are a good citizen so you do that, plus you like working.

Nine months later you get a letter informing you that you are now ineligible for disability and you are losing your Medicare as well.

By being a good citizen and person who enjoys your work you now make $30,000 less than when you worked full time AND you make $10,000 less than when you are on disability and you've lost the insurance that helped you pay for the medication that permitted you to be able to work 16 hours a week.

People are capitalists at heart, they want the greatest return. While it is great when people go back to work part-time and reduce how much they are drawing in benefits, the reality is that the system is designed to beat you up.

If you are applying and your doctors say you can only work 16 hours a week and there is evidence that the doctor isn't just saying that (ie. records of tests, exams, medication) you are disabled but if you work 16 hours a week at your pay scale, you end up worse off so the smarter person takes the check and calls it a career.
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Not sure what’s he big deal is. The same sleazy doctors that got folks the crock of sh!t full disability to sit on their asses and watch Jerry Springer all day will just get another note that says they are too disabled to volunteer.
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(01-14-2018 03:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

The requirements would be for "able bodied" persons to have some skin in the game. I would leave it up to your physician to determine what that would be...if any. I have zero problem with even FULL public assistance to those that are medically, mentally or physically disabled. I do think however that a large percentage of "disabled" persons can productive in some manner. For instance...The wife of one of my co-workers is physically disabled due to a back issue. Despite this... She has no problem driving a car all over town to do whatever she needs to do. Im sure there is some volunteer organization or even a private transportation service that could use her driving skills.

BTW..David...Im sorry for your health issues. I hope they can be resolved so you can be return to a productive state.

One thing the general public doesn't understand about federal disability is it takes a different view from private disability insurance and from workers comp or VA disability.

With private disability insurance all that matters is you cannot perform the job you were insured for. So if you are say commercial airline pilot for FedEx and cannot pass the FAA physical for a commercial license you are disabled. With the federal disability program you could fail an FAA physical and still be capable of hundreds if not thousands of jobs and so wouldn't be disabled.

And the reason private insurance is different is because I am electing to pay for said insurance to cover an event in which I am incapable of doing my current job.
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(01-14-2018 03:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

The requirements would be for "able bodied" persons to have some skin in the game. I would leave it up to your physician to determine what that would be...if any. I have zero problem with even FULL public assistance to those that are medically, mentally or physically disabled. I do think however that a large percentage of "disabled" persons can productive in some manner. For instance...The wife of one of my co-workers is physically disabled due to a back issue. Despite this... She has no problem driving a car all over town to do whatever she needs to do. Im sure there is some volunteer organization or even a private transportation service that could use her driving skills.

BTW..David...Im sorry for your health issues. I hope they can be resolved so you can be return to a productive state.

One thing the general public doesn't understand about federal disability is it takes a different view from private disability insurance and from workers comp or VA disability.

With private disability insurance all that matters is you cannot perform the job you were insured for. So if you are say commercial airline pilot for FedEx and cannot pass the FAA physical for a commercial license you are disabled. With the federal disability program you could fail an FAA physical and still be capable of hundreds if not thousands of jobs and so wouldn't be disabled.

And the reason private insurance is different is because I am electing to pay for said insurance to cover an event in which I am incapable of doing my current job.

That used to be the norm.

There is a growing number of employers who are offering short-term disability as a benefit in lieu of extended sick leave or in return for less tolerance of sick leave.

Some are offering long-term as well to protect pension plans but that isn't anywhere as common as short-term.

The biggest difference being you have to pay taxes on the insurance benefit if the employer is providing it while the more traditional employee paid policies are tax-exempt.

Had a client once who had a 70% coverage policy on $100,000 in salary. State agency denied her claim and I'm sure it was because they saw the $70,000 in income. She of course didn't care if she won the claim because she was going to get $70,000 no matter what, the insurer though certainly did care since they could offset her payment by the amount she got in disability.
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(01-14-2018 03:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 03:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, the requirements are for people o are able-body to go to work. I am having test done on me on why I am having the black outs. So far all the tests are not coming up with what is wrong.
Taken 3 Neurontin a day for the spinal cord, high blood pressure pills, Flexeril at bed time to help my muscles relaxed (had my muscles tensed up on me which caused me to be completely paralyzed when I wake up in the mornings), Meclizine for dizziness which the dizziness leads to blackouts, Omeprazole for my stomach which some Meds caused problems, and diclofin-misopr for my lower back pain. Bad discs in the lower back which my doctor said it is way too late to even have surgery on it. As it is, I can't work. Nobody will hire me right now because of my health issues just in case I have another blackout and all that. My back and neck screams out in pain when I either sit or lay down for a long period of time. Plus, most of my medicines make me drowsy which could hurt the way I type at times.

The requirements would be for "able bodied" persons to have some skin in the game. I would leave it up to your physician to determine what that would be...if any. I have zero problem with even FULL public assistance to those that are medically, mentally or physically disabled. I do think however that a large percentage of "disabled" persons can productive in some manner. For instance...The wife of one of my co-workers is physically disabled due to a back issue. Despite this... She has no problem driving a car all over town to do whatever she needs to do. Im sure there is some volunteer organization or even a private transportation service that could use her driving skills.

BTW..David...Im sorry for your health issues. I hope they can be resolved so you can be return to a productive state.

One thing the general public doesn't understand about federal disability is it takes a different view from private disability insurance and from workers comp or VA disability.

With private disability insurance all that matters is you cannot perform the job you were insured for. So if you are say commercial airline pilot for FedEx and cannot pass the FAA physical for a commercial license you are disabled. With the federal disability program you could fail an FAA physical and still be capable of hundreds if not thousands of jobs and so wouldn't be disabled.

And the reason private insurance is different is because I am electing to pay for said insurance to cover an event in which I am incapable of doing my current job.

That used to be the norm.

There is a growing number of employers who are offering short-term disability as a benefit in lieu of extended sick leave or in return for less tolerance of sick leave.

Some are offering long-term as well to protect pension plans but that isn't anywhere as common as short-term.

The biggest difference being you have to pay taxes on the insurance benefit if the employer is providing it while the more traditional employee paid policies are tax-exempt.

Had a client once who had a 70% coverage policy on $100,000 in salary. State agency denied her claim and I'm sure it was because they saw the $70,000 in income. She of course didn't care if she won the claim because she was going to get $70,000 no matter what, the insurer though certainly did care since they could offset her payment by the amount she got in disability.



I was first diagnose back in 1992. This was when I was first electrocuted on the job working at McDonald's. The back issue was something I had before unaware. The issue is that my spinal cord is narrowing on the nerves. The bones of my spine is squeezing the cord. I had bone spurs in the neck. The doctor who was a neurosurgeon said that I needed an operation because the bone spurs could leave me paralyzed from the neck down or it could actually leave me to be dead. I had surgery a couple of years ago in May to remove the spurs and fused my neck to keep me from having more spurs. There is actually no cure for stopping the narrowing of the spine. It is like my body is aging more rapidly than my age. In 1996, I tried to get SSI, but I was turned down saying I was not disabled enough to get it. I could not get on Medicaid then either without me being accepted by the Social Security Office that I am disabled. So, my spine got worst and worst with no medications until like 2008 when I went to the free clinic. They got me on the medication then. Then they saw that one of my meds was giving me high blood pressure, and put me on meds to control that,. Then, they gave me another high blood pressure meds that actually dropped my blood pressure way down that I past out on my feet and fell. They put me back on the meds that they had me on first. The sad part is that the free charity health clinic do not have the money nor have the access to get me into Saint Mary's. That hospital blocks any doctors who are not part of Millard/Henry Clinic.

If it was not for Obamacare? i would not have had my surgery, and would be getting worst.

As for the medications? Diclofin-Misopr is actually a prescribed version of Ibuprofen. It works on the pain. The Neurontin is actually to keep my nerves in my neck and back in the cord from inflaming.
We are trying to find out what is causing my black outs. One time, it happened while I was standing up last year in the kitchen. I found that it might be a Cervical Verticle from the surgery. Something is inflamed in the area that could be the problem.
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