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Killing the BIG XII
School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.
01-11-2018 08:26 AM
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(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

Not really.
01-11-2018 08:30 AM
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Hokie: I agree, but the better destinations don't want them.
01-11-2018 08:33 AM
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(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

Yes, I'm sure Iowa State and Kansas State would be thrilled in your scenarios. I'm sure the SEC would be thrilled to have Baylor too.
01-11-2018 08:38 AM
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RE: Killing the BIG XII
(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

Kansas is the only one that might be happy at all. ISU, KSU, and WVU are relegated. OU, OSU, TT, UT don't want to be in a conference where the bulk of their games are 2 time zones away. The SEC isn't taking Baylor and TCU.
01-11-2018 08:53 AM
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RE: Killing the BIG XII
Sometimes I wonder if people grasp just how far from the California schools like UT and OU are.

I also think in that situation both TCU and Baylor get left out instead of go to the SEC.
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Dixie: true, but everyone here talks about the PAC XII network being desperate for content, and wanting into the Texas market.

KSU, ISU and WVU get shafted because the conferences they truly should go to don't want them.

Baylor is more plausible to the AAC, but most of the conference is 2 time zones away.
01-11-2018 09:02 AM
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(01-11-2018 09:02 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Dixie: true, but everyone here talks about the PAC XII network being desperate for content, and wanting into the Texas market.

KSU, ISU and WVU get shafted because the conferences they truly should go to don't want them.

Baylor is more plausible to the AAC, but most of the conference is 2 time zones away.

Most of the conference is two time zones away? 5 of the 6 schools in the West are IN THE SAME TIME ZONE AS BAYLOR. 2 are in the same state within 200 miles and used to be in a conference with them.
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Why is the Big 12 always the target here?

Big 12 is making money hand over fist, and on the football field they had an excellent year. All systems go ... 07-coffee3
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(01-11-2018 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why is the Big 12 always the target here?

Big 12 is making money hand over fist, and on the football field they had an excellent year. All systems go ... 07-coffee3

I think there is a portion of the college football fans that would like to see an implosion.
01-11-2018 09:22 AM
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(01-11-2018 09:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why is the Big 12 always the target here?

Big 12 is making money hand over fist, and on the football field they had an excellent year. All systems go ... 07-coffee3

I think there is a portion of the college football fans that would like to see an implosion.

... and ironically, it's often the fans of the same G5 schools that lined up hat in hand to try and join the Big 12 last year.

Personally, as a USF fan, I want the Big 12 to thrive so we can join it, not implode. Those G5 fans who want the Big 12 to implode and for there to be just 4 Power conferences don't seem to realize that there won't be room for their G5 school in that configuration.
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PG: you're OBVIOUSLY correct that I overstated the geographic spread of the AAC. As to why the BIG XII is constantly discussed for implosion? It's the least geographically stable, and has an alpha-dog looking to get out.
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(01-11-2018 09:27 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  PG: you're OBVIOUSLY correct that I overstated the geographic spread of the AAC. As to why the BIG XII is constantly discussed for implosion? It's the least geographically stable, and has an alpha-dog looking to get out.

I'd say the ACC is at least as geographically/culturally unstable. The ACC sprawls from Miami Beach in the south to Boston in the north and Louisville basically in the midwest.

And politically, it has its football-first deep south contingent and its mid-atlantic basketball-first contingent, and then its Yankee emphasize-both contingent as well.

Their commish did a great job with the GOR and promise of an AACN to settle things down, but those fissures still exist and if things head south, particularly if ACCN revenues don't materialize as hoped for, they could re-open.
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(01-11-2018 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why is the Big 12 always the target here?

Big 12 is making money hand over fist, and on the football field they had an excellent year. All systems go ... 07-coffee3

A few reasons:
Smallest P conference
Texas' reputation as a conference killer
The Longhorn Network
Texas/Oklahoma could be a target for the Pac 12
Grant of rights expires before the ACC

It also makes for fun internet speculation. It also may never happen.
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(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

My guess is that if the B1G and SEC were to "get" those schools while the PAC gets the cream of the crop, neither will be happy.

Still not sure why schools like OU & TX would choose the PAC when they'll have numerous options, all of which would be better.
01-11-2018 09:34 AM
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(01-11-2018 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why is the Big 12 always the target here?

Big 12 is making money hand over fist, and on the football field they had an excellent year. All systems go ... 07-coffee3

For now.

In 4-5 years when new contracts are being negotiated and they won't be getting paid to NOT expand, we'll see.

Not to mention the lack of a conference network which the other P4 all have.
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(01-11-2018 09:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

My guess is that if the B1G and SEC were to "get" those schools while the PAC gets the cream of the crop, neither will be happy.

Still not sure why schools like OU & TX would choose the PAC when they'll have numerous options, all of which would be better.

I can speak for me personally, and for a significant portion of the SEC, when I say that I do not want Texas.
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As long as Texas is making money on par with other big-time blue bloods (which they are), and UT/OU still have an opportunity to make the CFP playoff each year (now with the CCG, they can), I don't think the Big 12 is going to go anywhere.

As far as expansion, we all know the story with the Big 12 fiasco 18 months ago. However, their current deal is split between ESPN/Fox. When their deal expires, who's to say that Fox pays more to be the sole media rights holder? Or ESPN? One of the hangups for expansion (aside from the then current options) was that neither network could agree on such an addition. If ESPN gets the next Big 12 package, solely, why would they not consider a UCF/USF combo addition to the league? It would drive the price of the AAC down (cheap quality content), it would add Florida to a power conference (w/ the SEC and ACC), and - by then - it will have added two programs that have shown they can compete with the power programs.

The Big 12 - as a whole - is more valuable with its current membership together than split apart. Texas needs the Big 12, and the Big 12 needs Texas. As long as all parties continue to make tons of money (which they are), I really don't think the conference is in danger as many predict.
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(01-11-2018 09:11 AM)PGEMF Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:02 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Dixie: true, but everyone here talks about the PAC XII network being desperate for content, and wanting into the Texas market.

KSU, ISU and WVU get shafted because the conferences they truly should go to don't want them.

Baylor is more plausible to the AAC, but most of the conference is 2 time zones away.

Most of the conference is two time zones away? 5 of the 6 schools in the West are IN THE SAME TIME ZONE AS BAYLOR. 2 are in the same state within 200 miles and used to be in a conference with them.

Beat me to it. I laughed when I read that part.
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The Big 12 isn't going to go away entirely. In the event of defections when the current GOR is up the Big 12 will lose somewhere between 3 and 5 teams and then backfill with some combination of AAC and Mountain West teams, plus maybe Rice.

My guess? The whole linchpin is Kansas. Texas is always going to have options, but if Kansas gets an attractive offer from a more stable conference they'll have to seriously consider it, and that could spook Oklahoma into being proactive. If that happens the gears necessary to force Texas to make a move are in motion.
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