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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
The wall won't accomplish as much as some think.

Most of the drugs are coming in via boat (generally container ships where they hide among the numerous containers), truck and aircraft.
The bulk of illegal immigrants are arriving via airplane and truck (and some boat) and a lot of illegal immigrants were legal when they entered, they just stayed past their allotted time or broke the conditions of their admission by working.

Wall ain't going to do jack for any of that.

But what it does do is make it harder for the "low rent" smuggler. Whether it is the guy with a backpack of drugs or the lone person with nothing walking over or the smuggler getting paid to lead a group on foot, they are going to be exiting the competition until they have more capital.

The cartels benefit because they aren't going to lose any business smuggling drugs or people but they are going to lose the competition from the undercapitalized competitor on the low end. Cartel profits will increase, even if supply doesn't drop the mere perception it is harder to get the goods/people across the border will create a perception of tight supply.

It is going to have a huge benefit for many rural people in the border region not having to worry if the people slinking across their property are willing to commit a crime of opportunity to steal from them or commit murder in furtherance of that.

The idea has flaws and it has hurdles to clear and it won't be cheap and won't do all the supporters want it to do.

But there is a portion of the US population that will be safer.

That seems quite consistent with the mission to insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
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(01-10-2018 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
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(01-10-2018 04:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is what you posted

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

its called correcting someone.... dont get all pissy about it. 07-coffee3

It's called sarcasm. Not everyone gets it.

I guess it's a little to high brow for you. My bad

or it could be that sarcasm doesnt translate well through text... but I guess thats a little too high brow for you to understand. 07-coffee3
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So you want everyone to believe that I didn't know that the Rio Grande was a river.

I live on the ******* border genius.
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(01-10-2018 05:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is what you posted

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

its called correcting someone.... dont get all pissy about it. 07-coffee3

It's called sarcasm. Not everyone gets it.

I guess it's a little to high brow for you. My bad

or it could be that sarcasm doesnt translate well through text... but I guess thats a little too high brow for you to understand. 07-coffee3

So you want everyone to believe that I didn't know that the Rio Grande was a river.

I live on the ******* border genius.
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well given your posting history.... nvm. 07-coffee3
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(01-10-2018 11:28 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 10:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And many a con ain't none to pleased about it!

Quote:Conservative immigration hawks are losing faith in President trump, who left them fuming Tuesday when he endorsed a two-phase process to permanently protect young undocumented immigrants and later pursue comprehensive changes to interior enforcement and legal immigration policies.
Immigration hawks fear two-phase DACA deal could lead to Trump amnesty

Just more amateur hour from the child-in-chief.

Well, if there are those on BOTH sides pissed then, to me, that means it's going in the right direction.

Pretty much where I fall... I hope trump does not beleve the dems when they say "let's do DACA and then come back for comprehensive"... They lied in the 80's, and they are lying now.


When Feinstein said, "let's do the DACA first and then come back for the rest" and Trump (I guess he didn't hear her well) agreed. I almost fell out of my seat. "What" I thought, "doesn't he know how conniving those people are by now?" I'm glad someone put a stop to that thinking ASAP and shut her down. That old witch is still a Demon through and through.
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(01-10-2018 01:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 12:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 12:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So you are admitting that Obama was completely incompetent?

I thought I would try having a serious conversation with you.

I guess that's not happening.

Its not happening cause you are running away.

You dont want a wall. You want to protect the border with agents. But we just went through that with Obama. And he failed.

Why do you insist on going with plans that have proven to be failures? Why are you not admitting that Obama failed to secure the border utilizing the plan you just mentioned?

Your logic is flawed. Why is it always all or nothing with you conservatives?

What part of the logic is flawed?

Quote:Just because we still have illegal immigration doesn't mean that there is no enforcement.

Because we had an influx of illegals and children under Obama, it means he FAILED at enforcement.

Quote:We still have murders in this country. Does that mean that you police chief is utterly incompetent?

Police chief's report to the mayor. It is ultimately the mayors competence, especially if they tie the hands of the police chief. So look at places where murder rates are high, and I'll show you an incompetent mayor.

Accountability. Learn what it means.

Quote:We still have deaths in the hospitals. Does that mean you doctors are utterly incompetent?

If death rates are abnormally high in a hospitalas compared to other hospitals who see and treat the same type of patient, then SOMEONE is utterly incompetent.

See the VA under Obama for a real-life example.

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(01-10-2018 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Was reading about a big raid on 7/11 and a big push to start criminally charging executives and companies that are knowingly hiring illegals. I couldn’t support that more fully. Eliminate the job opportunities and punish those that want to exploit illegals.

THAT...would be the bestest wall of all. So. Simple.
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(01-10-2018 05:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Was reading about a big raid on 7/11 and a big push to start criminally charging executives and companies that are knowingly hiring illegals. I couldn’t support that more fully. Eliminate the job opportunities and punish those that want to exploit illegals.

THAT...would be the bestest wall of all. So. Simple.

Problem with that is that we still don’t have a good system to verify status. So you err on the side of hiring and you’re in trouble with the federales, and err on the side of not hiring and you get hit with a discrimination suit. It creates an impossible situation. The
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How do employers get away from hiring someone? They just don't call them back. No one will be the wiser for it, it's simple. Before I joined the service and was looking for work I got a few (a lot) of no calls. I never knew why and it might have been someone was more experienced than me.

If you don't have the right criteria and the employer doubts you're an American or green carder then that person won't hire you. I'll tell you, that's the MOST foolproof way of hiring only LEGAL residents. The ones that aren't not will lose heart and leave on their own. And like me, if you are legal you'll look elsewhere for a job.
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(01-10-2018 06:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  How do employers get away from hiring someone? They just don't call them back. No one will be the wiser for it, it's simple. Before I joined the service and was looking for work I got a few (a lot) of no calls. I never knew why and it might have been someone was more experienced than me.
If you don't have the right criteria and the employer doubts you're an American or green carder then that person won't hire you. I'll tell you, that's the MOST foolproof way of hiring only LEGAL residents. The ones that aren't not will lose heart and leave on their own. And like me, if you are legal you'll look elsewhere for a job.

If you are willing as a matter of law to give amnesty to anyone who makes a reasonable effort to comply, then you might have something. But just passing off risk onto the private sector is not and honest or ethical way to enforce policy.
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All of these do something else but a wall.....

those can be changed depending on who's holding the office of President. With the wall, it will be there no matter what bleeding heart is in office.

While I don't think the wall is going to stop everyone from crossing it's going to make people think before traveling hundreds of miles or paying other to get them across. Just the threat since President Trump took office has lowered the amount trying to cross our borders. I believe I heard the President say it has also helped lower the numbers crossing over into Mexico.

Someone said most illegals just over stayed their visa so the wall wont stop them. But it will slow down those that get caught while over staying, from returning, the next week. I don't know this for a fact, actually it's just a guess on my part but those that are committing the serious crimes.....

probably came here by crossing the border illegally. So it will help to keep the worse of the worse out
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(01-10-2018 07:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  All of these do something else but a wall.....

those can be changed depending on who's holding the office of President. With the wall, it will be there no matter what bleeding heart is in office.

While I don't think the wall is going to stop everyone from crossing it's going to make people think before traveling hundreds of miles or paying other to get them across. Just the threat since President Trump took office has lowered the amount trying to cross our borders. I believe I heard the President say it has also helped lower the numbers crossing over into Mexico.

Someone said most illegals just over stayed their visa so the wall wont stop them. But it will slow down those that get caught while over staying, from returning, the next week. I don't know this for a fact, actually it's just a guess on my part but those that are committing the serious crimes.....

probably came here by crossing the border illegally. So it will help to keep the worse of the worse out

You have two great points.

The wall will be there regardless of who comes later.

Most of the criminal element enter the country illegally.
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(01-10-2018 04:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:I suspect that construction projects that need maintenance as well as staffing are more multiplicative than 'service' jobs... so while it is certainly possible, I don't think so. As others have said, I think it's a combination of things. Walls are appropriate (and safer) in some places... and people are appropriate in others.


But we already have that in place in the form of a fence. Why does it have to ba a wall?

What you don't want Mexicans looking at us through the fence?

Well, Americans do like their privacy. 03-wink
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(01-10-2018 05:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The wall won't accomplish as much as some think.

Most of the drugs are coming in via boat (generally container ships where they hide among the numerous containers), truck and aircraft.
The bulk of illegal immigrants are arriving via airplane and truck (and some boat) and a lot of illegal immigrants were legal when they entered, they just stayed past their allotted time or broke the conditions of their admission by working.

Wall ain't going to do jack for any of that.

But what it does do is make it harder for the "low rent" smuggler. Whether it is the guy with a backpack of drugs or the lone person with nothing walking over or the smuggler getting paid to lead a group on foot, they are going to be exiting the competition until they have more capital.

The cartels benefit because they aren't going to lose any business smuggling drugs or people but they are going to lose the competition from the undercapitalized competitor on the low end. Cartel profits will increase, even if supply doesn't drop the mere perception it is harder to get the goods/people across the border will create a perception of tight supply.

It is going to have a huge benefit for many rural people in the border region not having to worry if the people slinking across their property are willing to commit a crime of opportunity to steal from them or commit murder in furtherance of that.

The idea has flaws and it has hurdles to clear and it won't be cheap and won't do all the supporters want it to do.

But there is a portion of the US population that will be safer.

That seems quite consistent with the mission to insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

Living in Texas, Ive always been suspicious of that claim (Ive heard it many times). What I suspect is that the "bulk of illegal aliens that OFFICIALS ARE AWARE OF" entered the country by overstaying their visa's. Im not sure how anyone could ever accurately count folks who seep across the border and live in the shadows. Frankly, I'm not confident we have any idea how many people are really living here illegally.
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(01-11-2018 02:15 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 05:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The wall won't accomplish as much as some think.

Most of the drugs are coming in via boat (generally container ships where they hide among the numerous containers), truck and aircraft.
The bulk of illegal immigrants are arriving via airplane and truck (and some boat) and a lot of illegal immigrants were legal when they entered, they just stayed past their allotted time or broke the conditions of their admission by working.

Wall ain't going to do jack for any of that.

But what it does do is make it harder for the "low rent" smuggler. Whether it is the guy with a backpack of drugs or the lone person with nothing walking over or the smuggler getting paid to lead a group on foot, they are going to be exiting the competition until they have more capital.

The cartels benefit because they aren't going to lose any business smuggling drugs or people but they are going to lose the competition from the undercapitalized competitor on the low end. Cartel profits will increase, even if supply doesn't drop the mere perception it is harder to get the goods/people across the border will create a perception of tight supply.

It is going to have a huge benefit for many rural people in the border region not having to worry if the people slinking across their property are willing to commit a crime of opportunity to steal from them or commit murder in furtherance of that.

The idea has flaws and it has hurdles to clear and it won't be cheap and won't do all the supporters want it to do.

But there is a portion of the US population that will be safer.

That seems quite consistent with the mission to insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

Living in Texas, Ive always been suspicious of that claim (Ive heard it many times). What I suspect is that the "bulk of illegal aliens that OFFICIALS ARE AWARE OF" entered the country by overstaying their visa's. Im not sure how anyone could ever accurately count folks who seep across the border and live in the shadows. Frankly, I'm not confident we have any idea how many people are really living here illegally.

I completely agree....when they live 20 under a roof, it's easy to hide more than a few....

regardless, they know they're better off here than there....that's why they come by any means necessary.....
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(01-10-2018 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:56 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 10:40 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  He supports a clean daca bill, as long as:

1. Border security is done first.
2. His other items are done first.

In other words, if you get his items done, then the daca bill can and will be clean.

What they ended up agreeing to moving forward is that daca, border security, and chain migration will be addressed in phase I.

I'm not against increased border security but a wall? Seriously?


Why would we want to spend billions on a wall when we could spend billions on more border patrol agents.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

How about both, with some high tech stuff thrown in.

Because a wall is a big waste of money. If you build a wall with no additional security, the "illegals" will simply build a ladder that's one foot higher.

We can accomplish the same thing by simply hiring more agents.

So was Obama's stimulus bill. But, you lefties were all over that like an inmate on conjugal visit day. So forgive us if your concerns about the "waste of money" you seem to think the wall is, rings very hollow.
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(01-10-2018 12:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 12:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:56 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not against increased border security but a wall? Seriously?


Why would we want to spend billions on a wall when we could spend billions on more border patrol agents.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

How about both, with some high tech stuff thrown in.

Because a wall is a big waste of money. If you build a wall with no additional security, the "illegals" will simply build a ladder that's one foot higher.

We can accomplish the same thing by simply hiring more agents.


So you are admitting that Obama was completely incompetent?

I thought I would try having a serious conversation with you.

I guess that's not happening.

Child, please. The next "serious conversation" you have on this board will be your first. However, since you're only here to troll the board with the leftist talking points your re(pro)gressive overlords give you, a serious conversation with you is never going to happen.
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(01-10-2018 01:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The stage is set for the Democrats to kick some tail in the elections getting sidetracked by crap like DACA that few people but a subset of the base really care about is the best hope the GOP has for November.

You. Are. Dreaming.

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(01-10-2018 04:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:I suspect that construction projects that need maintenance as well as staffing are more multiplicative than 'service' jobs... so while it is certainly possible, I don't think so. As others have said, I think it's a combination of things. Walls are appropriate (and safer) in some places... and people are appropriate in others.


But we already have that in place in the form of a fence. Why does it have to ba a wall?

What you don't want Mexicans looking at us through the fence?

It doesn't. But you can't put "750 miles of electrified fence, 750 miles of scale-proof fence and 554 miles of cinder block' on a bumper sticker or on the scroll at the bottom of CNN.

So you propose a 'wall' and then SETTLE for the above.

The problem with a fence is that they are fairly easily scaled... even with 'scale proof' fences and barbed wire etc. They often work in prisons because prisoners don't have access to things to cover the barbed wire nor tools to easily cut the fence nor scale. They usually would only have perhaps 5-10 minutes to get over any such fence, so a double wall means 20 minutes... and guards with guns can show in that time.

Mexicans could easily have equipment and tools etc etc etc and be hours before a guard could be there, so you need SOMETHING more substantial.

The idea of more guards kind of ignores that this is almost a 2,000 mile border with very few towns. Even if you staffed it every mile, you'd have people who have to drive hundreds of miles to and from their posts where they stood all alone for hours. You'd need plumbing and air conditioning and heat and lights etc etc etc.

The ACTUAL solution is going to be much more complex than 'a wall'. Everyone (on the 'wall' side) I've ever spoken to about this understands that. Sure there are some morons, but if you showed them the reality (like a deep part of the river or a mountain top) even they would say... okay... build something ELSE in THAT spot... but to them it's still a 'wall'.


(01-10-2018 05:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Was reading about a big raid on 7/11 and a big push to start criminally charging executives and companies that are knowingly hiring illegals. I couldn’t support that more fully. Eliminate the job opportunities and punish those that want to exploit illegals.

THAT...would be the bestest wall of all. So. Simple.

This has been tried since the 1980's (at least) with limited success. While you CAN police large companies, you can't easily police every small business, which is where most of these illegals work.

Question though... How are illegals being exploited if they've voluntarily come here and are eager to work for the wages we pay them because they are so vastly higher than what they have at home? I get and understand your point that we often pay them less than citizens, but that doesn't mean they are being exploited... that's just a term used to make it more 'dirty'. I often hire people I strongly suspected were here illegally for a days labor in my yard or similar, and I pay them $10/hr and buy them a lunch. Hardly exploited. I'm sure SOME of the people who are at Home Depot looking for a days work are also here legally. I'm not going to profile them and demand documentation.... that would be racism. Nor am I required to file taxes on someone I pay perhaps $100 to.
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(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:I suspect that construction projects that need maintenance as well as staffing are more multiplicative than 'service' jobs... so while it is certainly possible, I don't think so. As others have said, I think it's a combination of things. Walls are appropriate (and safer) in some places... and people are appropriate in others.


But we already have that in place in the form of a fence. Why does it have to ba a wall?

What you don't want Mexicans looking at us through the fence?

It doesn't. But you can't put "750 miles of electrified fence, 750 miles of scale-proof fence and 554 miles of cinder block' on a bumper sticker or on the scroll at the bottom of CNN.

So you propose a 'wall' and then SETTLE for the above.

The problem with a fence is that they are fairly easily scaled... even with 'scale proof' fences and barbed wire etc. They often work in prisons because prisoners don't have access to things to cover the barbed wire nor tools to easily cut the fence nor scale. They usually would only have perhaps 5-10 minutes to get over any such fence, so a double wall means 20 minutes... and guards with guns can show in that time.

Mexicans could easily have equipment and tools etc etc etc and be hours before a guard could be there, so you need SOMETHING more substantial.

The idea of more guards kind of ignores that this is almost a 2,000 mile border with very few towns. Even if you staffed it every mile, you'd have people who have to drive hundreds of miles to and from their posts where they stood all alone for hours. You'd need plumbing and air conditioning and heat and lights etc etc etc.

The ACTUAL solution is going to be much more complex than 'a wall'. Everyone (on the 'wall' side) I've ever spoken to about this understands that. Sure there are some morons, but if you showed them the reality (like a deep part of the river or a mountain top) even they would say... okay... build something ELSE in THAT spot... but to them it's still a 'wall'.


(01-10-2018 05:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Was reading about a big raid on 7/11 and a big push to start criminally charging executives and companies that are knowingly hiring illegals. I couldn’t support that more fully. Eliminate the job opportunities and punish those that want to exploit illegals.

THAT...would be the bestest wall of all. So. Simple.

This has been tried since the 1980's (at least) with limited success. While you CAN police large companies, you can't easily police every small business, which is where most of these illegals work.

Question though... How are illegals being exploited if they've voluntarily come here and are eager to work for the wages we pay them because they are so vastly higher than what they have at home? I get and understand your point that we often pay them less than citizens, but that doesn't mean they are being exploited... that's just a term used to make it more 'dirty'. I often hire people I strongly suspected were here illegally for a days labor in my yard or similar, and I pay them $10/hr and buy them a lunch. Hardly exploited. I'm sure SOME of the people who are at Home Depot looking for a days work are also here legally. I'm not going to profile them and demand documentation.... that would be racism. Nor am I required to file taxes on someone I pay perhaps $100 to.

Damn it Hambone 10

Quit making so much sense. You leave me speechless.
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(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:I suspect that construction projects that need maintenance as well as staffing are more multiplicative than 'service' jobs... so while it is certainly possible, I don't think so. As others have said, I think it's a combination of things. Walls are appropriate (and safer) in some places... and people are appropriate in others.


But we already have that in place in the form of a fence. Why does it have to ba a wall?

What you don't want Mexicans looking at us through the fence?

It doesn't. But you can't put "750 miles of electrified fence, 750 miles of scale-proof fence and 554 miles of cinder block' on a bumper sticker or on the scroll at the bottom of CNN.

So you propose a 'wall' and then SETTLE for the above.

The problem with a fence is that they are fairly easily scaled... even with 'scale proof' fences and barbed wire etc. They often work in prisons because prisoners don't have access to things to cover the barbed wire nor tools to easily cut the fence nor scale. They usually would only have perhaps 5-10 minutes to get over any such fence, so a double wall means 20 minutes... and guards with guns can show in that time.

Mexicans could easily have equipment and tools etc etc etc and be hours before a guard could be there, so you need SOMETHING more substantial.

The idea of more guards kind of ignores that this is almost a 2,000 mile border with very few towns. Even if you staffed it every mile, you'd have people who have to drive hundreds of miles to and from their posts where they stood all alone for hours. You'd need plumbing and air conditioning and heat and lights etc etc etc.

The ACTUAL solution is going to be much more complex than 'a wall'. Everyone (on the 'wall' side) I've ever spoken to about this understands that. Sure there are some morons, but if you showed them the reality (like a deep part of the river or a mountain top) even they would say... okay... build something ELSE in THAT spot... but to them it's still a 'wall'.


(01-10-2018 05:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Was reading about a big raid on 7/11 and a big push to start criminally charging executives and companies that are knowingly hiring illegals. I couldn’t support that more fully. Eliminate the job opportunities and punish those that want to exploit illegals.

THAT...would be the bestest wall of all. So. Simple.

This has been tried since the 1980's (at least) with limited success. While you CAN police large companies, you can't easily police every small business, which is where most of these illegals work.

Just yesterday agents converged on a few 7/11 and arrested illegals working there and the owners are being charged. So it can happen.
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