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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
(01-10-2018 02:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Some of you like to bring up the cost of this wall like its going to break the bank. Now I have a question about the money it saves vs cost.

If this wall just stops 40% of those entering the U.S. and then gets caught how long would it be before it was saving the U.S. money?

It cost the Feds $80 a day to house a federal prisoner. So lets say a million gets in each year and now this wall stops 400,000, I guess you would need to find out how many get caught each year once they enter this country.

I read a figure where 27,505 (36%) of illegals were in federal prison in 2014 and I'm sure it's way more than that that are in county jails waiting to be deported. The Feds pay for that stay. So if it just stopped 40,000 a year that would be over a billion dollars saved if each of those were in prison for 1 year.

That does not take into account the cost to those that a crime was committed on. Yes, 10 billion is a lot of money...but money that also saves in other area that the government is spending huge dollars in
Walls can't vote. That is what this is really about, not money. Hell our govt pisses away money of dumber stuff daily.

XACLY!

many of us are saying the same thing......

spend it where it's meaningful....and do it right instead of pissing in a gale.....
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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.
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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
(01-10-2018 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:56 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 10:40 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  He supports a clean daca bill, as long as:

1. Border security is done first.
2. His other items are done first.

In other words, if you get his items done, then the daca bill can and will be clean.

What they ended up agreeing to moving forward is that daca, border security, and chain migration will be addressed in phase I.

I'm not against increased border security but a wall? Seriously?


Why would we want to spend billions on a wall when we could spend billions on more border patrol agents.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

How about both, with some high tech stuff thrown in.

Because a wall is a big waste of money. If you build a wall with no additional security, the "illegals" will simply build a ladder that's one foot higher.

We can accomplish the same thing by simply hiring more agents.

How about we charge the wall with about 100 KV of electricity. That way when the "illegals" go to climb the ladder they get a shocking experience.
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Was reading about a big raid on 7/11 and a big push to start criminally charging executives and companies that are knowingly hiring illegals. I couldn’t support that more fully. Eliminate the job opportunities and punish those that want to exploit illegals.
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(01-10-2018 03:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.

actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....
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Gents it's called negotiations
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(01-10-2018 03:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.

actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....

We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.
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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
(01-10-2018 04:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.

actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....

We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3
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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
(01-10-2018 04:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.

actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....

We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.

ya don't say....then why does almost juarez need a wall.....

I understand why and how the tejas/chico border was defined.....unfortunately, some idiots can swim....

submerged land mines and drones.....remember than one??? how about why we didn't take over the land mass to the point where it chokes down to a manageable level???

you know I'm that sadist when it comes to infidel/racist subject matter......and I don't give two shites if you like it or not.....

there's a reason El pass who has a wall and it's been effective......DJT just screwed your kin south of ze border and you're pissed.....

not my problem.....
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(01-10-2018 04:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.

actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....

We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

Obviously, you've never seen the Rio Grande03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
(01-10-2018 04:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  If money were no object we'd just build a canal to connect the Pacific to the Gulf. THAT would be a border project.

actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....

We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

Obviously, you've never seen the Rio Grande03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

obviously you do not know the difference between a moat and a river... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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RE: Trump endorses clean DACA bill
(01-10-2018 04:38 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  actually, I was a moat proponent (figuratively).....however, it's not my back pocket....nor am I a democrat....

I have a fevah that more cowbell will be hashed out before the June extension expires.....the 'squeeze' is in full force at this point....

We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

Obviously, you've never seen the Rio Grande03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

obviously you do not know the difference between a moat and a river... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Someone doesn't have a sense of humor.

Why are conservatives pissed off all the time?
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(01-10-2018 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:38 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We have a moat. It's called the Rio Grande.

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

Obviously, you've never seen the Rio Grande03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

obviously you do not know the difference between a moat and a river... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Someone doesn't have a sense of humor.

Why are conservatives pissed off all the time?

I guess you missed the ":lmfao:03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao" smilies....
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This is what you posted

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3
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(01-10-2018 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And many a con ain't none to pleased about it!

Quote:Conservative immigration hawks are losing faith in President trump, who left them fuming Tuesday when he endorsed a two-phase process to permanently protect young undocumented immigrants and later pursue comprehensive changes to interior enforcement and legal immigration policies.
Immigration hawks fear two-phase DACA deal could lead to trump amnesty

Just more amateur hour from the child-in-chief.

Wow, Tom.... Your obsession is amazing. If he had said 'no way', you would have blasted him. He says 'yes' and you still blast him.

It's amateur hour in your mind because he did exactly what someone you would have supported has done and pissed off some conservatives? I think 'ultra' conservatives on immigration NEED to be a little pissed off... and SO DO YOU. If they weren't, I feel confident you'd be among the first on here to complain about how far right he is.

Trump isn't an ultra-con. Never has been. He quite publicly before the election supports single-payer.

I'm not saying he's right or anything else here... I'm just wondering what he could POSSIBLY have done to appease you here... and if the answer is 'nothing', then I really don't see what your point is in posting.


(01-10-2018 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not against increased border security but a wall? Seriously?


Why would we want to spend billions on a wall when we could spend billions on more border patrol agents.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

I suspect that construction projects that need maintenance as well as staffing are more multiplicative than 'service' jobs... so while it is certainly possible, I don't think so. As others have said, I think it's a combination of things. Walls are appropriate (and safer) in some places... and people are appropriate in others.

(01-10-2018 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Question for the conservatives...do you honestly think we have no fences or walls along any point of our southern border? I'm seriously confused by the continual comments as if nothing of the sort currently exists.

I don't think anyone thinks that there are no fences or walls anywhere... in fact there are memes, even in this thread showing the barriers and describing them as inadequate... but in existence. This seems just like one of those 'argue in the absurd' assignments in order to dismiss the entire opinion as absurd. I'm sure they exist, like the woman who thinks that 'deer crossing' signs on highways encourage the deer to cross there.... or liberals who think that electric cars don't need or use fossil fuels in their use or creation.... but it's a minute portion of the public.

The fact is that there are significant portions of our border with Mexico that are quite easily traversed. Make the drive from say Fort Stockton to San Diego on 10/8 (which I just did twice) and you'll see them. I've also personally seen large portions of the Texas south border that are easily traversed.
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Quote:I suspect that construction projects that need maintenance as well as staffing are more multiplicative than 'service' jobs... so while it is certainly possible, I don't think so. As others have said, I think it's a combination of things. Walls are appropriate (and safer) in some places... and people are appropriate in others.


But we already have that in place in the form of a fence. Why does it have to ba a wall?

What you don't want Mexicans looking at us through the fence?
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(01-10-2018 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is what you posted

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3
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its called correcting someone.... dont get all pissy about it. 07-coffee3
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(01-10-2018 04:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is what you posted

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

its called correcting someone.... dont get all pissy about it. 07-coffee3
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It's called sarcasm. Not everyone gets it.

I guess it's a little to high brow for you. My bad
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(01-10-2018 04:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is what you posted

moat ≠ river. 07-coffee3

its called correcting someone.... dont get all pissy about it. 07-coffee3

It's called sarcasm. Not everyone gets it.

I guess it's a little to high brow for you. My bad
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or it could be that sarcasm doesnt translate well through text... but I guess thats a little too high brow for you to understand. 07-coffee3
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