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(01-10-2018 10:18 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm pretty sure the A-10 is the Big East's primary farm league. No team in the MAAC is even close.

Ok, if your list of schools for a BE call up have to:

1. Come from the A-10
2. Not be redundant in a greater metro area
3. Balance out East/West with St Louis

Richmond and Duquesne both have to rank higher than St B's.
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(01-10-2018 10:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  yes, they told me i was lazy, now i hear it's learning disablity

Nothing wrong with that! It would be a boring world if everyone read, wrote, and learned the same way. Thoughts are what counts.
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(01-10-2018 08:15 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 06:10 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  St. Bonnies is only in the A10 because of its long basketball tradition. They really don't belong in a high mid major conference.

If St. Bonaventure has a long basketball tradition, Houston is a college basketball blueblood. This isn't 1975.

They've had an advantage in they are long time Division 1 members. Compared to newer D1 additions that you can find in the MAAC and NEC.

They made a Final Four in 1970. They have a long tradition at the high mid major level. However they would not be selected to participate a 3 bin NCAA basketball conference if college basketball started in 2010.

To compare to another example Wake Forest doesn't really deserve to be in the ACC. But they are in for historical reasons. They actually would be a decent add for the A10 to be in a conference with Davidson and Richmond. Wake is a small school but its top school in the Winston-Salem market with an endowment of 1.14 billion. Davidson is 715 million, Richmond is 2.2 billion. A10 would be a good neighborhood for Wake.

St. Bonaventure has an endowment of 60 million. They belong in the NEC.
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They basically have one Final Four appearance with Bob Lanier in their history, which admittedly was very important for the time frame that you speak of. But they have pretty much nothing else, not even an NIT title when that meant anything and no that's not bitterness because of 1977. Just 6 NCAA Tournament appearances.

I wouldn't call that a "long basketball tradition."
01-10-2018 08:26 PM
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(01-10-2018 08:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  They basically have one Final Four appearance with Bob Lanier in their history, which admittedly was very important for the time frame that you speak of. But they have pretty much nothing else, not even an NIT title when that meant anything and no that's not bitterness because of 1977. Just 6 NCAA Tournament appearances.

I wouldn't call that a "long basketball tradition."

I will go back to the very first NCAA season 1938-39. This was a season when there was only 161 schools in D1 that year. Of those 161 only 146 play D1 to this day.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/1939.html

Of those original NCAA schools that are not P5/G5 today this is who you had..

Team (2017-18 conference)
Georgetown (Big East)
Loyola-Chi (MVC)
Army (Patriot)
Bradley (MVC)
Brown (Ivy)
Sienna (MAAC)
Villanova (Big East)
Duquesne (A10)
Detroit Mercy (Horizon)
Boston University (AEast)
Marquette (Big East)
Butler (Big East)
LaSalle (A10)
DePaul (Big East)
Seton Hall (Big East)
Lehigh (Patriot)
Xavier (Big East)
Montana State (Big Sky)
St. Bonaventure (A10)
Niagara (MAAC)
Montana (Big Sky)
Indiana St (MVC)
Bucknell (Patriot)
Loyola (MD) (Patriot)
Valparaiso (MVC)
New Mexico St (WAC)
Colgate (Patriot)
Dayton (A10)
Canisius (MAAC)
LIU Brooklyn (NEC)
St. John's (Big East)
Manhattan (NEC)
Columbia (Ivy)
Dartmouth (Ivy)
Cornell (Ivy)
Penn (Ivy)
Harvard (Ivy)
Yale (Ivy)
Princeton (Ivy)
St. Francis (NEC)
Fordham (A10)
Sacred Heart (NEC)
Citadel (Southern)
Davidson (A10)
VMI (Southern)
Richmond (A10)
Furman (Southern)
Rhode Island (A10)
Maine (AEast)
Northeastern (CAA)
New Hampshire (AEast)
Santa Clara (WCC)
San Francisco (WCC)
Pacific (WCC)
St. Mary's (WCC)

Out of those there are only 23 that are not playing in a high mid major conference (eg.e A10, MVC) or Ivy today. The other 123 are either P5, G5 or in higher level basketball conference (BE, A10, MVC, WCC, Ivy).

Team (2017-18 conference)
Boston University (AEast)
Maine (AEast)
New Hampshire (AEast)
Montana (Big Sky)
Montana State (Big Sky)
Northeastern (CAA)
Detroit Mercy (Horizon)
Canisius (MAAC)
Niagara (MAAC)
Sienna (MAAC)
Army (Patriot)
Bucknell (Patriot)
Colgate (Patriot)
Lehigh (Patriot)
Loyola (MD) (Patriot)
LIU Brooklyn (NEC)
Manhattan (NEC)
Sacred Heart (NEC)
St. Francis PA (NEC)
Citadel (Southern)
Furman (Southern)
VMI (Southern)
New Mexico St. (WAC)

As you can see this list includes some of the geographically challenged like NMSU, Montana, Montana St and Maine that haven't moved on to a higher level basketball conference for that reason.

Then you have a few like Detroit and Sienna that beg for A10 admission every time they go to expand. BU and Northeastern are in that category too.

St. Bonaventure has been around forever (1858). They've been playing east coast basketball schools with long traditions and by association are though of in that same context.

If St. Bonnie was founded in 1958 and moved up to D1 in 2005 it would be in NJIT's position or at best Bryant College's situation slipping into the NEC.

Long Tradition=Been around for a long time. It doesn't mean they've always been great.
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I get your point however when most people say tradition, they mean tradition of winning.
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(01-11-2018 12:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I get your point however when most people say tradition, they mean tradition of winning.

Ohio my team (another original D1 basketball school) has bumped out a few other G5 programs for bowl games.

The bowl organizers gave a rationale for selecting Ohio in that we have a rich 100 year tradition of playing football. All time football record hovers around .500 so hardly it was about a winning tradition.

https://www.gasparillabowl.com/ohio-acce...etersburg/

That is why I said "long" tradition and not "strong" tradition.
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(01-10-2018 09:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Although, Fordham has added exactly zero since they got there. They never should have been added to begin with. "But, but, but, but they're in New York City." Yeah, well so is Long Island and Manhattan and no one is clamoring to add them.

Yeah, that market theory really works.

ROFLMAO!!!
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