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Actually saying you care DOES make a huge difference. I know because family and friends have told me so many times. I’d say imagine how those kneeling would feel if everyone listened to their message, but this doesn’t seem like the kind of crowd willing to do so. Instead you’re more focused on trying to change their message or discredit the vehicle in which they’re protesting when it’s not up to you to decide.
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(01-11-2018 05:38 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Actually saying you care DOES make a huge difference. I know because family and friends have told me so many times. I’d say imagine how those kneeling would feel if everyone listened to their message, but this doesn’t seem like the kind of crowd willing to do so. Instead you’re more focused on trying to change their message or discredit the vehicle in which they’re protesting when it’s not up to you to decide.

Their message started with a false narrative that Michael Brown was shot in the back by a cop. Now it’s just one idiot whose wrecked his career trying to stay relavent. Matt Stafford, a decent, talented, family oriented man should be the poster child of the NFL, instead we get a weekly dose on Kapernick, or the wife beater of the week, the pot head of the week, or the mean tweet of the week. People are sick of it.

How bout instead of “saying I care” you head down to the Mission (across from the train station), donate 12 rolls of toilet paper, spend time reading to kids, and help clean up.

Or Plan B. Tell your SJW friends how much you care about the less fortunate over a brew at Hopcat.

Phony hypocrites, all talk.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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(01-11-2018 01:57 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:24 AM)brovol Wrote:  What do you think needs to change about "America" for things to be corrected?

Less greed and more empathy.

Those are "human" emotions. Not a reason to protest America.

BTW, I believe "greed" is a great thing. People should want to be as rich and secure as they possibly can be. It drives the spirit, and motivates the soul to "accomplish". There is nothing immoral or wrong with people wanting to be wealthy. We used to call that "The American Dream", and encouraged people to work hard, study, invest, take some chances, and continuously seek to achieve as much as you can achieve. Our economy flourished under that philosophy.

Self reliance and less dependence are, in my assessment, what needs to be corrected in America. Instead of pushing people to take care of themselves, and educating them on the virtue of hard work, and the opportunities that free enterprise capitalism offers, children are raised now to understand that those who have wealth should be obligated by the government to provide for those who don't, without regard for other considerations. If the argument is that folks are "morally" obligated to provide for the needy, then the "moral solution" shouldn't be an immoral remedy, like steeling from the rich to feed the poor. Charity is a moral compulsion; socialism is immoral.

The Government isn't our daddy! Unfortunately though the last generation has been bread to believe that "the government" is supposed to take care of everyone's problems. People need to take care of their own problems. The government needs to enforce the laws and the Constitution.

People in this country have lost sight of reality, and it has compromised everything. I hope we have another shift soon.
01-12-2018 08:28 AM
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Socialism is not immoral. You may think that, but many countries of the world are socialistic and are doing just fine. Doesn't the Bible condemn greed? I think you have gone overboard with your statement of greed being a great thing. Our government should look after the people who live here. Hasn't the government passed laws to make our citizens lives better? Pure Food and Drug laws, clean water laws, anti-pollution laws, etc. Do you really believe if many of the business leaders in our history had the chance to spend their money to improve some of the above, that they would have done it? Not a chance.
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(01-12-2018 09:56 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear brovol,
Socialism is not immoral. You may think that, but many countries of the world are socialistic and are doing just fine. Doesn't the Bible condemn greed? I think you have gone overboard with your statement of greed being a great thing. Our government should look after the people who live here. Hasn't the government passed laws to make our citizens lives better? Pure Food and Drug laws, clean water laws, anti-pollution laws, etc. Do you really believe if many of the business leaders in our history had the chance to spend their money to improve some of the above, that they would have done it? Not a chance.

Socialism works so well that China and the Soviet Union moved to more Capitalism.
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Yes, but you gave examples that were more communistic than socialistic, in their approach. What about Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, to name a few?
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(01-12-2018 08:28 AM)brovol Wrote:  Self reliance and less dependence are, in my assessment, what needs to be corrected in America. Instead of pushing people to take care of themselves, and educating them on the virtue of hard work, and the opportunities that free enterprise capitalism offers, children are raised now to understand that those who have wealth should be obligated by the government to provide for those who don't, without regard for other considerations.

I disagree in that I believe (lack of) education is exactly the problem. There are generational poverty issues in this country. People need to be TAUGHT these things. They don't know anything different than the lifestyles they were brought into. That shouldn't be a liberal vs. conservative thing, but that's just my opinion.
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(01-12-2018 11:05 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Boca Rocket,
Yes, but you gave examples that were more communistic than socialistic, in their approach. What about Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, to name a few?

All tiny countries. Their model is much harder to apply to 300 million spread out over 3000 miles.

I’ll bet socialists fill out their taxes and try to find every deduction they can. One would think they’d send in extra, knowing Washington will solve all their problems.

Venezuela is a wealthy country thanks to huge oil reserves. Like Cuba, it was run into the ground by a real social justice warrior who instead of spreading the wealth, kept it all for himself.
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(01-12-2018 01:22 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 08:28 AM)brovol Wrote:  Self reliance and less dependence are, in my assessment, what needs to be corrected in America. Instead of pushing people to take care of themselves, and educating them on the virtue of hard work, and the opportunities that free enterprise capitalism offers, children are raised now to understand that those who have wealth should be obligated by the government to provide for those who don't, without regard for other considerations.

I disagree in that I believe (lack of) education is exactly the problem. There are generational poverty issues in this country. People need to be TAUGHT these things. They don't know anything different than the lifestyles they were brought into. That shouldn't be a liberal vs. conservative thing, but that's just my opinion.

Wow, you sound like your typical presumptuous white bread who pretends he’s down with the plight of the poor. Most people aquire 80% of what they will need to know in the first 4 years of life. They learn the basic tenants of survival from their parents
not from school. Education is icing on the cake. If you approach school and grasp the ability to listen, to control your impulses, to be inquisitive, and to try your best, even a child with a sub-95 IQ will usually succeed. Those values start in the home, where the real education takes place.


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(01-12-2018 11:05 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Boca Rocket,
Yes, but you gave examples that were more communistic than socialistic, in their approach. What about Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, to name a few?

China is a Socialist Market Economy. It maybe be a Communist government, but their Economy is not.
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(01-12-2018 10:43 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:05 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Boca Rocket,
Yes, but you gave examples that were more communistic than socialistic, in their approach. What about Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, to name a few?

China is a Socialist Market Economy. It maybe be a Communist government, but their Economy is not.

China is a market economy, there is no socialist aspect to it anymore. I've been there many times on business. My company has extensive interests in China.

They do have an overwhelming governmental bureaucracy to support, almost as big as ours.
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(01-11-2018 08:27 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 06:19 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 11:17 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Hey, it's all about America. We live in a nation where a bunch of highly overpaid Pro athletes feel it's their civic duty to take a knee during the playing of the national anthem because they feel they're making a statement on the injustices in our society.

Because many of them came from situations where they were the ones who didn’t have a voice. You’re an idiot if you think they were all born spoiled millionaires.

I really don’t know why this is so hard to grasp. But again, this is the country that elected Trump. So I guess it all makes sense sadly.

I can’t speak for your circumstance, but my 403 and stock portfolio is blowing up. Our pension fund is in great shape. GDP 3.5%, never reached 3 under the previous administration. Lowest unemployment in 17 years. ISIS Gone. Waste Management gave 34,000 employees $2000 bonuses yesterday. My son’s business is having its best year ever. Doubled bonuses to his hygienists. My house is appreciating 6.5%. The idea that “deplorable morons” elected him is exactly why Hillary lost. I know a host of highly educated and successful people who quietly voted for policies that he proposed.

To quote Bill Clinton, “It the economy Stupid.” If you want to dwell on Tweets, Presidential decorum, or pristine character, good luck finding that candidate.

Same here. My 401k was up 45% last year. My stocks were up 4.5% during the FIRST 8 DAYS THIS YEAR. If you can't make money in this market you couldn't get laid in Subic Bay on a saturday night with a fistful of $50's.

The folks in my family who are Democrats and opposed to Trump are the ones who, frankly, lack drive and initiative. They think the Federal Government exists for taking money from the producers in this country and spending it on programs for the non producers. They may use different words, but that's essentially what their arguments boil down to, income redistribution. They hate the folks that work hard, invest and are upwardly mobile-BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT.

No government program every got rid of ENVY or ever will. But the Dems rely on envious voters to keep them in office. Too bad, so sad.
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(01-11-2018 04:48 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:57 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:24 AM)brovol Wrote:  What do you think needs to change about "America" for things to be corrected?

Less greed and more empathy.

Well put your money where your mouth is. Saying you care more makes you feel like a SJW, but it doesn’t do **** for people in need. I’m sure you’d love to make more money, why penalize the success of others, does that help anyone, or do you just feel better knowing your rich neighbor got hit in the wallet.


Agreed. Nothing stopping these pro athletes and Hollywood elites from sharing more of their wealth. But that's where the empathy train always seems to stop, they're all about sharing other folks money but almost never their own.

Noted Leftist George Soros didn't become a multi-Billionaire by giving away his own wealth to the poor, instead he uses it to fund political candidates who give him financial favors and access.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are now reportedly worth 150 Million Dollars of personal wealth, above and beyond the Clinton Fund they use for special occasions (like several million Dollars for Chelsea's wedding). They can share it if they wanted to. But they never will.
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Dear BroncoPhilly,
You cannot generalize about democrats with your statement about envious. If you knew anything about the democratic party, then you would know that they have always stood for helping the working class people in America. If, that means trying to get better wages for those people, so be it. That does not mean automatic envy of those who may be better off economically.
Speaking of the Clinton's sharing their wealth, how much has President Trump shared? He still owes people money that did work for him. Notice, they did work for him. Yet he doesn't pay for an honest days work. How is that making America great again?
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(01-13-2018 10:30 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  If you knew anything about the democratic party, then you would know that they have always stood for helping the working class people in America.

"have always" really means "used to"
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No it doesn't. You are misinformed.
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I didn't author the article.

Nor did a Republican.

"You (Democrats) got what you wanted, but lost what you had.

Pretending otherwise doesn't make it so.
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(01-13-2018 11:23 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear ess,
No it doesn't. You are misinformed.

Oh please. We are becoming "Slappy City."

Anyone who thinks either the Dem or GOP are marginally more moral or ethical than the other is "misinformed."

Working class? Democrats? Read Joe Biden's take on the election from the LA Times in Dec 2016. Clinton and the Dems were so busy trashing Trump personally (granted, there is a lot to trash), and talking about non-issues like gender-neutral bathrooms, that they never did talk about how to put people to work and allow the middle class to keep more of its pay.

That is why so many working class voters reluctantly voted for Trump. The Dems and Hillary in particular, were not speaking to them. They were speaking to the "elite" who are perceived to look down their noses at the working class.
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