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Meh, it's a bit too soon to say.
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(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 08:38 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  It’s worked out well for Maryland

In some ways, but for Maryland hoops fans - and as the article notes, in terms of passion Maryland is a basketball school and always will be - the B1G will never be the same as playing Virginia and the Carolina schools. Those were 60+ year hoops rivalries that were lost. They face the same problem Nebraska faces on the other end - losing all those generations-old Big 8 rivalries in football to get that B1G money.

But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?
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(01-07-2018 03:44 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There were some strategic aspects in taking Louisville as well. The
The revenue gap is a joke. Big 12 viewership> ACC. When you have schools like Boise State that have more viewers for ratings than several ACC schools? Than, you do have a serious question in why give the ACC their own network when several of their schools at times could only garner a 500K ratings. It does not help that ACC when you have schools in the ACC keep violating the NCAA's rules and only get slapped on the wrist. Miami Florida and the UNC should both be on death penalties for their recent actions. Louisville basketball should also get the death penalty. Right now, we are rewarding schools to do bad things, but punish schools doing the right things.

As for Boise State? They should be making the same amount of money the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 12 and SEC for their ratings in football. Especially in bowl games. As it is, the fans are being driven away from the P5 schools and going towards the top G5 schools. The only way to do this is to do a collective bargaining for all D1 schools and spread the wealth equally.
There seem to be a ridiculous amount of questionable claims made in this post. Could you please support something with a link or something credible?

I say that because your assertions don’t seem to jibe with the actions of everyone involved.

Why would ESPN choose to enter into a long-term contract with the ACC over the B12 if there was no financial incentive to do so? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Are you suggesting that ESPN hates to make money?

Also, why are the Big 12 schools on the brink of Civil War? All of these things seem to be at direct odds with your point of view, and I’m trying to figure out why?

Boise State gets around 1 to 2 million viewers when they are on either ESPN or ESPN 2. When Miami Florida was down and with the scandals involved, they got between 400K to less than a million viewers. Boise State had an average viewership ratings higher than Miami during that time period. That includes when you see Boise State filled stadium to comparing Miami's lots of empty seats in their stadium did not help viewership and ratings. Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Duke and Wake Forest all had lousy ratings at a time or two. Even Maryland was not that great. Rutgers did not had the ratings when they were in the big East. The only thing that gives the ACC Network the ratings is Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech as the highest rating schools in that conference. There are some middle ground schools like UNC, NCST, Virginia Tech and Louisville. The rest are pretty down. The Big 10 really wanted to get Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, UNC and Virginia in the Big Ten fold instead of Rutgers. If the Big 10 got their way? We may have seen Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas move over to the Big 10 as well. Some schools in the ACc are more G5 type schools in football sense.
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(01-07-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 08:38 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  It’s worked out well for Maryland

In some ways, but for Maryland hoops fans - and as the article notes, in terms of passion Maryland is a basketball school and always will be - the B1G will never be the same as playing Virginia and the Carolina schools. Those were 60+ year hoops rivalries that were lost. They face the same problem Nebraska faces on the other end - losing all those generations-old Big 8 rivalries in football to get that B1G money.

The thing about never is that it's a long time. For fans of a certain age, the depth of passion won't ever return, but Maryland isn't hurting for fan support in men's hoops.

The reality about the rivalries is that they slowly died starting back in 2004. What made the ACC special was that you would play everyone twice and then (if you were one of the five non-Carolina schools) go into hostile territory to fight it out again in the tournament. But once home games against Boston College and Miami replaced ones against NC State and North Carolina, things were never going to be the same. Then when the ACC decided that Maryland would play Pitt instead of Duke every year, well, the writing was on the wall.

Hopefully cooler heads prevail eventually and some of those rivalries come back as non-conference showcases, but if not, Maryland will be fine building new rivalries against like-minded institutions. It'll take a while since the Big Ten has even more history, but it'll happen.
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(01-07-2018 04:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Maryland and Rutgers weren't just home runs for the B1G, they were a grand slam. Getting the access to NYC/DC, along with the recruiting areas and like-minded land grant institution-statuses were all perfect fits. Long-term, the B1G undoubtedly still has its sights set on Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech and Florida State. They got the Northeast to in 2011; in the 2020's I anticipate them wanting to move South.

This is an unusual post as well. On one hand, cable will not be a factor in 30 years, but on the other hand, the Big Ten was brilliant to get into the New York and DC cable markets.

They tried to go south this time but we’re rebuffed. According to Sports Illustrated, Maryland and Ruckers were not plans A and B but somewhere further down the line. Frankly, that makes a lot of sense because they are not nearly as valuable as many of the other properties they would’ve been after.

Markets will be a factor even if traditional cable isn't the medium of delivery in thirty years. The Big Ten got "in-market" rates for the network as soon as they got Rutgers and Maryland. If it were just about cable markets they could have called it a day after that. Instead, the league opened a New York office, put the hoops tournament in DC and NY, scheduled a number of events at MSG, etc. If you think this is a short term play or a plan B, you aren't paying attention.
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RE: Big home run
(01-07-2018 06:46 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 04:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Maryland and Rutgers weren't just home runs for the B1G, they were a grand slam. Getting the access to NYC/DC, along with the recruiting areas and like-minded land grant institution-statuses were all perfect fits. Long-term, the B1G undoubtedly still has its sights set on Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech and Florida State. They got the Northeast to in 2011; in the 2020's I anticipate them wanting to move South.

This is an unusual post as well. On one hand, cable will not be a factor in 30 years, but on the other hand, the Big Ten was brilliant to get into the New York and DC cable markets.

They tried to go south this time but we’re rebuffed. According to Sports Illustrated, Maryland and Ruckers were not plans A and B but somewhere further down the line. Frankly, that makes a lot of sense because they are not nearly as valuable as many of the other properties they would’ve been after.

Markets will be a factor even if traditional cable isn't the medium of delivery in thirty years. The Big Ten got "in-market" rates for the network as soon as they got Rutgers and Maryland. If it were just about cable markets they could have called it a day after that. Instead, the league opened a New York office, put the hoops tournament in DC and NY, scheduled a number of events at MSG, etc. If you think this is a short term play or a plan B, you aren't paying attention.

Yeah, they have to develop that market now and push for a larger share. But the first step is to go where the people are. The second step is to gain their interest. The difference is while getting paid by subscription will likely change, there are certain regions, the Northeast being one of them, where in order to continue to get paid you have to grow your viewers. More regional adds would help, but that presence with New Yorkers is a smart way to begin to matter to them.

I'm not sure that's going to help situations like the one out West, or along the Mid Atlantic.
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(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.
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(01-07-2018 05:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 08:38 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  It’s worked out well for Maryland

In some ways, but for Maryland hoops fans - and as the article notes, in terms of passion Maryland is a basketball school and always will be - the B1G will never be the same as playing Virginia and the Carolina schools. Those were 60+ year hoops rivalries that were lost. They face the same problem Nebraska faces on the other end - losing all those generations-old Big 8 rivalries in football to get that B1G money.

But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?
I'd venture to say that if Scott Frost can turn the Husker program around that Nebraska/Wisconsin could become a huge rivalry. In fact, that whole division could make for some interesting match-ups if PJ can get it together as well.

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(01-07-2018 07:16 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 08:38 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  It’s worked out well for Maryland

In some ways, but for Maryland hoops fans - and as the article notes, in terms of passion Maryland is a basketball school and always will be - the B1G will never be the same as playing Virginia and the Carolina schools. Those were 60+ year hoops rivalries that were lost. They face the same problem Nebraska faces on the other end - losing all those generations-old Big 8 rivalries in football to get that B1G money.

But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?

I'd venture to say that if Scott Frost can turn the Husker program around that Nebraska/Wisconsin could become a huge rivalry. In fact, that whole division could make for some interesting match-ups if PJ can get it together as well.

Penn State has had some very good teams over those years, but since joining the B1G 23 years ago has utterly failed to develop any rivalries.
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(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.
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The Big Ten needs Nebraska to return to national prominence. It needs that western division to become a triad of strong Husker, Hawkeye, and Badger programs to counterbalance the 4 strong eastern schools. Adding Oklahoma would also lend credibility to the west as well.
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(01-07-2018 09:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten needs Nebraska to return to national prominence. It needs that western division to become a triad of strong Husker, Hawkeye, and Badger programs to counterbalance the 4 strong eastern schools. Adding Oklahoma would also lend credibility to the west as well.

Well, on the other hand if you expanded to the East, Michigan and Michigan State would probably shift back to the West.
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(01-07-2018 09:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten needs Nebraska to return to national prominence. It needs that western division to become a triad of strong Husker, Hawkeye, and Badger programs to counterbalance the 4 strong eastern schools. Adding Oklahoma would also lend credibility to the west as well.

Well, on the other hand if you expanded to the East, Michigan and Michigan State would probably shift back to the West.

Aside from Norte Dame, which isn't even a true Eastern program, there aren't a whole lot of home run eastern adds. Sure there was the gambit to add the ACC AAUs but even had that worked they'd probably be put in a pod. If the Irish wanted to join and wanted an eastern school as a companion we'd be happy to comply
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(01-07-2018 09:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.

Maybe. I think that ultimately super-large conferences would lead to splits. A 16-team league might not be stable, and 20 even more so.
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(01-07-2018 09:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.

Maybe. I think that ultimately super-large conferences would lead to splits. A 16-team league might not be stable, and 20 even more so.

It's a different kind of stability at that size. You're a confederation built to control and bundle media content at that point. You're stable in that you're all joined together and not at risk for losing your revenue streams but the sense of common identity is lost somewhat
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(01-07-2018 05:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Meh, it's a bit too soon to say.

As Zhou Enlai famously quipped about the French Revolution.
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(01-07-2018 09:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.

Maybe. I think that ultimately super-large conferences would lead to splits. A 16-team league might not be stable, and 20 even more so.

In the history of the sport, conferences are a response to the economic conditions of the times. They will grow larger until those conditions make it more prudent to splinter. Right now the conditions favor larger groups for leverage and scheduling. If the economy really tightens then divisions might become conferences. But what I don't see an age of independents. No independent school earns what the members of a P conference earn. Right now with the networks at the zenith of their power and with streaming looming, scheduling and leverage will continue to be important.
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(01-07-2018 02:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  As for Boise State? They should be making the same amount of money the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 12 and SEC for their ratings in football. Especially in bowl games. As it is, the fans are being driven away from the P5 schools and going towards the top G5 schools. The only way to do this is to do a collective bargaining for all D1 schools and spread the wealth equally.

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(01-07-2018 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:16 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  In some ways, but for Maryland hoops fans - and as the article notes, in terms of passion Maryland is a basketball school and always will be - the B1G will never be the same as playing Virginia and the Carolina schools. Those were 60+ year hoops rivalries that were lost. They face the same problem Nebraska faces on the other end - losing all those generations-old Big 8 rivalries in football to get that B1G money.

But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?

I'd venture to say that if Scott Frost can turn the Husker program around that Nebraska/Wisconsin could become a huge rivalry. In fact, that whole division could make for some interesting match-ups if PJ can get it together as well.

Penn State has had some very good teams over those years, but since joining the B1G 23 years ago has utterly failed to develop any rivalries.

Not really sure how the dynamics will work in the Big Ten East, but leaving the ACC has worked out tremendously for South Carolina. New rivalries (whether they'll admit it or not) with UGA and UF to go along with Clemson.

I'm sure in the early 70s SC fans bemoaned not playing GT, NC State, and UNC every year but time heals all wounds.
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(01-08-2018 09:05 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:16 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?

I'd venture to say that if Scott Frost can turn the Husker program around that Nebraska/Wisconsin could become a huge rivalry. In fact, that whole division could make for some interesting match-ups if PJ can get it together as well.

Penn State has had some very good teams over those years, but since joining the B1G 23 years ago has utterly failed to develop any rivalries.

Not really sure how the dynamics will work in the Big Ten East, but leaving the ACC has worked out tremendously for South Carolina. New rivalries (whether they'll admit it or not) with UGA and UF to go along with Clemson.

I'm sure in the early 70s SC fans bemoaned not playing GT, NC State, and UNC every year but time heals all wounds.

Yes, the SEC has been far better at assimilating its expansion teams. It has done a good job inviting schools like SC with a very similar cultural heritage. Mizzou is arguably the only outlier.
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