(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:42 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's best job security is the cost to buyout his contract. Tiger fans - after doing our part- hope our generous boosters will dig deeper in their pockets and fund it so we can return to relevancy.

The buyout isnt as big of a deal since the time frame to pay can be doubled. In theory, we could fire him, and pay another coach half as much and not be paying any extra a year.

then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I have a feeling that if you want Forbes you need to fire Tubby this year. I just don't think Forbes will be at ETSU after this year, but who knows.

So it appears that Memphis made the same mistake twice the contract with Pastime was horrible now they did the same with tubby that's really sad it says that their athletic director needs to be fired

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I think you pretty much have to give Tubby at least 3 years. I think it would make coaches very wary if you fire a guy after just 2 years.

I am not saying he is doing an outstanding job. I don't know enough about a situation. But I do know coaches want stability. They don't want to feel like they won't have a chance to do their rebuild.

Kevin Ollie just may be the worst coach to win the NCAA Tournament since seeding began. Jud Heathcote may be a close second because his success was due to great, future NBA players, especially Magic Johnson.

Flip a coin, see if I care.

(01-05-2018 06:00 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 04:30 PM)Rocky Mountain Shock Wrote:  My uneducated predictions:

I think Ollie is visited by the Reaper at the end of this season. Dunphy will "retire". Smith gets another year.

Somebody hires Tom Crean.

Other than the year Dwayne Wade carried Marquette on his back to the Final Four, nothing on Tom Crean's resume has ever stood out to me. He took Indiana to the Sweet 16 three times... but it's Indiana. You're supposed to do that. I think he's a solid coach and at 51 has some juice left, but in terms of retread hires, I don't see what makes him much better than Tubby Smith.

Indeed the only time he got past the Sweet 16 was when he had Wade. In 18 seasons, he's missed the Dance as often as he made it. It's one thing at Marquette but unacceptable at Indiana, regardless of what Sampson left him with.

(01-05-2018 06:47 PM)shocker3 Wrote:  I am not sure it is wise to fire coaches who have won a national championship, especially one so recent. Is Ollie really that bad? UConn certainly is down this year, but as I recall from our game, you guys only have one senior that gets significant playing time. If everybody else comes back next year, you should be pretty good. If I was the UConn AD I think I would probably give Ollie one more year, since he should have a pretty good team next year.

He won it based on having Jim Calhoun's players.

(01-06-2018 05:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 06:47 PM)shocker3 Wrote:  I am not sure it is wise to fire coaches who have won a national championship, especially one so recent. Is Ollie really that bad? UConn certainly is down this year, but as I recall from our game, you guys only have one senior that gets significant playing time. If everybody else comes back next year, you should be pretty good. If I was the UConn AD I think I would probably give Ollie one more year, since he should have a pretty good team next year.

He won it based on having Jim Calhoun's players.

Im not sure if UConn can afford to fire Ollie right now, because of the budget cuts (im not sure if they passed that budget) and that we are not getting big east money anymore. His buy out is 3 mil rn if im not mistaken


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(01-06-2018 07:04 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 05:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 06:47 PM)shocker3 Wrote:  I am not sure it is wise to fire coaches who have won a national championship, especially one so recent. Is Ollie really that bad? UConn certainly is down this year, but as I recall from our game, you guys only have one senior that gets significant playing time. If everybody else comes back next year, you should be pretty good. If I was the UConn AD I think I would probably give Ollie one more year, since he should have a pretty good team next year.

He won it based on having Jim Calhoun's players.

Im not sure if UConn can afford to fire Ollie right now, because of the budget cuts (im not sure if they passed that budget) and that we are not getting big east money anymore. His buy out is 3 mil rn if im not mistaken


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I'm hoping our Lebo pulls a Lebo and "steps down."

(01-06-2018 07:09 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 07:04 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 05:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 06:47 PM)shocker3 Wrote:  I am not sure it is wise to fire coaches who have won a national championship, especially one so recent. Is Ollie really that bad? UConn certainly is down this year, but as I recall from our game, you guys only have one senior that gets significant playing time. If everybody else comes back next year, you should be pretty good. If I was the UConn AD I think I would probably give Ollie one more year, since he should have a pretty good team next year.

He won it based on having Jim Calhoun's players.

Im not sure if UConn can afford to fire Ollie right now, because of the budget cuts (im not sure if they passed that budget) and that we are not getting big east money anymore. His buy out is 3 mil rn if im not mistaken


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I'm hoping our Lebo pulls a Lebo and "steps down."

Wouldn't that be great


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(01-05-2018 04:40 PM)Play Angry Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 04:37 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Could we possible make some room for Frank???

Should we?

Tulsa showed remarkable stamina for "better than trainwreck, worse than good" status under Wojcik. Is the appetite for change there if Haith posts 10-8ish records in conference play for perpetuity?

I am open to being convinced but have not heard much serious grumbling from the natives regarding this prospective candidate.

For a few overzealous fans.

Temple needs to buy out Dunphy, because he won't retire.

(01-05-2018 06:00 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 04:30 PM)Rocky Mountain Shock Wrote:  My uneducated predictions:

I think Ollie is visited by the Reaper at the end of this season. Dunphy will "retire". Smith gets another year.

Somebody hires Tom Crean.

Other than the year Dwayne Wade carried Marquette on his back to the Final Four, nothing on Tom Crean's resume has ever stood out to me. He took Indiana to the Sweet 16 three times... but it's Indiana. You're supposed to do that. I think he's a solid coach and at 51 has some juice left, but in terms of retread hires, I don't see what makes him much better than Tubby Smith.

He wouldn't put his son on the staff over a Lawson. That would be an improvement. Tubby got a bad start because of this move, a bad start he may not be able to overcome.

(01-06-2018 12:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:42 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's best job security is the cost to buyout his contract. Tiger fans - after doing our part- hope our generous boosters will dig deeper in their pockets and fund it so we can return to relevancy.

The buyout isnt as big of a deal since the time frame to pay can be doubled. In theory, we could fire him, and pay another coach half as much and not be paying any extra a year.

then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I dont know if we can afford NOT to fire him this year. We only sold approx 4k season tickets this year. It might be half that next year. We used to sell over 10k just a few years back. The athletic department needs that ticket revenue or at least something more than we are getting.

Since Rudd runs the university and Bowen runs the athletic department, why don't we let them decide that, rather than our fans trying to decide for them?

(01-06-2018 12:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:42 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's best job security is the cost to buyout his contract. Tiger fans - after doing our part- hope our generous boosters will dig deeper in their pockets and fund it so we can return to relevancy.

The buyout isnt as big of a deal since the time frame to pay can be doubled. In theory, we could fire him, and pay another coach half as much and not be paying any extra a year.

then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I dont know if we can afford NOT to fire him this year. We only sold approx 4k season tickets this year. It might be half that next year. We used to sell over 10k just a few years back. The athletic department needs that ticket revenue or at least something more than we are getting.

The Administration is in a tough position. They hired a coach whose best success was securing income for his son. Tubby - at $3M a year - can't recruit, can’t promote, can’t win, and can’t light hope. Memphis fans see it and decided to stay away and now it may cost more doing nothing than it does letting Tubby go.

(01-06-2018 11:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 12:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:42 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby's best job security is the cost to buyout his contract. Tiger fans - after doing our part- hope our generous boosters will dig deeper in their pockets and fund it so we can return to relevancy.

The buyout isnt as big of a deal since the time frame to pay can be doubled. In theory, we could fire him, and pay another coach half as much and not be paying any extra a year.

then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I dont know if we can afford NOT to fire him this year. We only sold approx 4k season tickets this year. It might be half that next year. We used to sell over 10k just a few years back. The athletic department needs that ticket revenue or at least something more than we are getting.

The Administration is in a tough position. They hired a coach whose best success was securing income for his son. Tubby - at $3M a year - can't recruit, can’t promote, can’t win, and can’t light hope. Memphis fans see it and decided to stay away and now it may cost more doing nothing than it does letting Tubby go.

I'd rephrase that as can't recruit at a school whose talent all left because he didn't retain the position of Lawson, instead giving it to his son.

(01-07-2018 01:10 AM)Gmoney4WW Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 12:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:42 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The buyout isnt as big of a deal since the time frame to pay can be doubled. In theory, we could fire him, and pay another coach half as much and not be paying any extra a year.

then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I dont know if we can afford NOT to fire him this year. We only sold approx 4k season tickets this year. It might be half that next year. We used to sell over 10k just a few years back. The athletic department needs that ticket revenue or at least something more than we are getting.

The Administration is in a tough position. They hired a coach whose best success was securing income for his son. Tubby - at $3M a year - can't recruit, can’t promote, can’t win, and can’t light hope. Memphis fans see it and decided to stay away and now it may cost more doing nothing than it does letting Tubby go.

I'd rephrase that as can't recruit at a school whose talent all left because he didn't retain the position of Lawson, instead giving it to his son.

It’s less that he can’t recruit and more that he just doesn’t. Multiple local recruits and families have reported that he doesn’t contact them regularly especially comparatively with rival coaches. Highly talented transfers that were interested in Memphis in some cases were never contacted and went public that they were not contacted.

Memphis has top 10 basketball facilities at its disposal, pays a top 15 salary, and until recently had a top 10 average attendance fanbase. Memphis is a top 5 city for local recruits. Tubby has one player signed for next season who is ranked in the 300’s. No disrespect at all is meant to to young man who signed. This is not meeting Memphis expectations.

I was never on board with the Tubby hire, but I would’ve said you have to give him 3 years. I will say one positive is his floor coaching and development....but he has done such a poor job recruiting and building a relationship with the city, that I think it wouldn’t be so crazy to see him “retire” after this season.

(01-07-2018 02:09 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:10 AM)Gmoney4WW Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 12:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I dont know if we can afford NOT to fire him this year. We only sold approx 4k season tickets this year. It might be half that next year. We used to sell over 10k just a few years back. The athletic department needs that ticket revenue or at least something more than we are getting.

The Administration is in a tough position. They hired a coach whose best success was securing income for his son. Tubby - at $3M a year - can't recruit, can’t promote, can’t win, and can’t light hope. Memphis fans see it and decided to stay away and now it may cost more doing nothing than it does letting Tubby go.

I'd rephrase that as can't recruit at a school whose talent all left because he didn't retain the position of Lawson, instead giving it to his son.

It’s less that he can’t recruit and more that he just doesn’t. Multiple local recruits and families have reported that he doesn’t contact them regularly especially comparatively with rival coaches. Highly talented transfers that were interested in Memphis in some cases were never contacted and went public that they were not contacted.

Memphis has top 10 basketball facilities at its disposal, pays a top 15 salary, and until recently had a top 10 average attendance fanbase. Memphis is a top 5 city for local recruits. Tubby has one player signed for next season who is ranked in the 300’s. No disrespect at all is meant to to young man who signed. This is not meeting Memphis expectations.

I was never on board with the Tubby hire, but I would’ve said you have to give him 3 years. I will say one positive is his floor coaching and development....but he has done such a poor job recruiting and building a relationship with the city, that I think it wouldn’t be so crazy to see him “retire” after this season.

For his sake, not for the sake of the memphis fans, i wish he would get another year to prove his worth, and maybe win back some of the Memphis fanbase. Don't know if that is possible and whether it would be in the interest of the University. It's just my hope for Tubby who gave this University so much(Tulsa) and deserves a better end to his career. As you know this ain't the first pressure situation in which he has legitimately showed his failings at dealing with said University.(Kentucky) I would not have wanted his career to end on that note(Kentucky) either.

Memphis fans:

What kind of ground swell is there to hire Penny? Is this even remotely a chance or no?

(01-07-2018 09:47 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Memphis fans:

What kind of ground swell is there to hire Penny? Is this even remotely a chance or no?

Long post:

I think there’s a chance... a lot of fans see the positives and hope he gets it. He coaches the top high school team in the country (though they just took 3 straight losses) with multiple top 30 recruits including the #1 2019 recruit. If he can bring the recruits with him, Memphis would instantly have a top 3 class.

Penny would probably take ~1 mill/yr as it’s his first college coaching job and his alma mater. He is basketball royalty in the city. Instant sell outs again with the recruits he brings and his name.

We’d probably pay less now than we do with Tubby including his buyout. It’s not structured the same as Pastner’s. We can pay 1/2 his salery remaining per year and double the time remaining on the contract. So a little over 1.5 for Tub’s buyout and ~1 for Penny is less than we pay Tubby/yr. We sell out the Forum for a couple years at least. I think financially it’s a great move.

The danger is a Basketball icon beloved by the city failing and having to be let go. I think he’d still be beloved but it would be tough. I think it’s worth the potential downfall.

TLDR: Penny brings the name and recruits to put Memphis back on top and a better situation financially, but can he run a college program? Is the fallout too great if he can’t?

(01-07-2018 02:09 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:10 AM)Gmoney4WW Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 12:04 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  then we should wait until the end of next season. paying out 6.2 million over 4 years isn't so bad. We could spend up to 1.65 million for a coach and still break even.

we could probably get Steve Forbes or maybe even Crean for that.

I dont know if we can afford NOT to fire him this year. We only sold approx 4k season tickets this year. It might be half that next year. We used to sell over 10k just a few years back. The athletic department needs that ticket revenue or at least something more than we are getting.

The Administration is in a tough position. They hired a coach whose best success was securing income for his son. Tubby - at $3M a year - can't recruit, can’t promote, can’t win, and can’t light hope. Memphis fans see it and decided to stay away and now it may cost more doing nothing than it does letting Tubby go.

I'd rephrase that as can't recruit at a school whose talent all left because he didn't retain the position of Lawson, instead giving it to his son.

It’s less that he can’t recruit and more that he just doesn’t. Multiple local recruits and families have reported that he doesn’t contact them regularly especially comparatively with rival coaches. Highly talented transfers that were interested in Memphis in some cases were never contacted and went public that they were not contacted.

Memphis has top 10 basketball facilities at its disposal, pays a top 15 salary, and until recently had a top 10 average attendance fanbase. Memphis is a top 5 city for local recruits. Tubby has one player signed for next season who is ranked in the 300’s. No disrespect at all is meant to to young man who signed. This is not meeting Memphis expectations.

I was never on board with the Tubby hire, but I would’ve said you have to give him 3 years. I will say one positive is his floor coaching and development....but he has done such a poor job recruiting and building a relationship with the city, that I think it wouldn’t be so crazy to see him “retire” after this season.

The infrastructure is in place for success at Memphis. I will not lower the bar for Tubby or any other coach at Memphis. He must produce adequate results.